Interesting...Scott is crushing mike m on Twitter this am

[lionlurker]

Maybe the claims were paid in the hopes of keeping the 71 and 76 allegations out of the news. Maybe it was to protect the reputation of the University and JVP from further damage. Maybe they didn't want the headlines when the 71 and 76 "victims' were forced to sue and the media were to lambaste PSU for being insensitive to the victims and the coverup going back into the 70s.

Unfortunately the 71 and 76 allegations came to light anyway.

My opinion is that they wanted these allegations to come to light, in order to give their heinous responses more justification. The individuals behind this latest maneuver are scared shitless of something, and they will stop at nothing to make sure nobody is looking at them. I contend, like others, that the university sued PMA to make sure that this information came to light.

It won't work. We won't let it work.

 

[artsandletters]

My opinion is that they wanted these allegations to come to light, in order to give their heinous responses more justification. The individuals behind this latest maneuver are scared shitless of something, and they will stop at nothing to make sure nobody is looking at them.

It won't work. We won't let it work.

I agree. They want to keep pounding on Joe cause it's Joe's name that keeps their original plan -- deflection and scapegoating -- intact.

 

[Bob78]

Sir, thank you however, massive legal/PR/media shitstorms generally do not occur in the scenario you describe with the average publically unknown employee(s). Ira and others on the BoT saw the implosion as soon as Joe was linked into this mess, did they not?

Once someone as 'famous' as Joe was tied into this fiasco, all 'standard' practices for handling these types of situations as you described were out the window.

The combination of Joe's fame + PSU's deep pockets + the media and in particular, the sports media grabbing onto this story + explosive subject matter = massive shitstorm.

If Ira or the BoT thought this could be handled like any other employee (or ex-employee) 'grievance,' then yes, they are the worst university leaders that ever existed.

Don't mistake my input as defending their actions. I'm not and I never will.
You're right that the shiny object of JVP was perhaps the biggest reason the dumpster fire was of epic proportions. The OGBOT's shortsightedness and hubris, and for some, a desire to harm JVP allowed this to be a disaster that needed to be handled outside of the corporate handbook protocols. And they weren't up to it or interested in doing that. So, imo, they are the #1 case study for worst handling of a crisis ever.

Along with many others, I've said from the onset of their horror show that their biggest mistake was to treat this like Vioxx and other corporate messes. People don't love Merck or BP... but countless alums and fans and others absolutely love Penn State as something special and far more than an inanimate entity with a stock valuation to think about. If it's possible to feel a heartfelt love for something inanimate, I truly love Penn State and Happy Valley, and have for over 50 years.

An important aspect of that love having grown and thrived over the years for so many of us was JVP. He was not the only aspect, not the most important, but often the most visible and tangible and perhaps even the most interesting in some ways. Unfortunately, our OGBOT did not love PSU the way its constituents - and JVP - always have. They treated Dear Old State like she was Merck or BP or MBNA or whatever other soulless company they ran, and in their never-ending tone deafness, completely misunderstood and underestimated the reaction of the great unwashed, unsophisticated, uncomprehending alums like me.

So here we are, even taking into account hindsight bias, knowing full well that most any of us could have handled this thing better from the get-go than these multimillionaires and half-billionaires have. The most important reason is that we would have had a true and sincere and unencumbered and an ethically-unchallenged agenda for handling the situation with integrity.

 

[PSUEngineerx2]

Don't mistake my input as defending their actions. I'm not and I never will.
You're right that the shiny object of JVP was perhaps the biggest reason the dumpster fire was of epic proportions. The OGBOT's shortsightedness and hubris, and for some, a desire to harm JVP allowed this to be a disaster that needed to be handled outside of the corporate handbook protocols. And they weren't up to it or interested in doing that. So, imo, they are the #1 case study for worst handling of a crisis ever.

Along with many others, I've said from the onset of their horror show that their biggest mistake was to treat this like Vioxx and other corporate messes. People don't love Merck or BP... but countless alums and fans and others absolutely love Penn State as something special and far more than an inanimate entity with a stock valuation to think about. If it's possible to feel a heartfelt love for something inanimate, I truly love Penn State and Happy Valley, and have for over 50 years.

An important aspect of that love having grown and thrived over the years for so many of us was JVP. He was not the only aspect, not the most important, but often the most visible and tangible and perhaps even the most interesting in some ways. Unfortunately, our OGBOT did not love PSU the way its constituents - and JVP - always have. They treated Dear Old State like she was Merck or BP or MBNA or whatever other soulless company they ran, and in their never-ending tone deafness, completely misunderstood and underestimated the reaction of the great unwashed, unsophisticated, uncomprehending alums like me.

So here we are, even taking into account hindsight bias, knowing full well that most any of us could have handled this thing better from the get-go than these multimillionaires and half-billionaires have. The most important reason is that we would have had a true and sincere and unencumbered and an ethically-unchallenged agenda for handling the situation with integrity.

Hear hear sir. Hear hear.

 

[bkmtnittany1]

It's inevitable that someone will off himself over this, before it's over. I've held this belief for a long time. These are cowards that we are dealing with here, and once the light starts to shine on them, at least one of them will take the easy way out.

I also believe that one of them will spill their guts before they kick the bucket...someone who has half a belief in being banished to hell for eternity will 'fess up....

 

[StinkStankStunk]

I remember when Barb Doran explained why the alumni trustees voted for the first round of settlements. Ziegler heavily criticized her. Maybe with the benefit of hindsight he was right, but he also wasn't the one having to make that decision.

I defended Doran and the alumni trustees. For many of the reasons you listed. However, one spin on your scenario would be that you would never imagine your corporation WAS hiding something, had ulterior motives that were in conflict with what was best for the company, had personal motives to make the allegations go away, and would provide YOU with information and reassurances that turned out to be false.

1 - Barb wasn't on the BOT at the time of the first vote
IDK if she commented on the process later - but if she did, it was not from an "I was on the BOT at the time perspective"

2 - There were PLENTY of us at the time who knew how horrendous that decision was .....no one on the BOT though, unfortunately

The Scoundrels tried (successfully) to buy off the "new guys" by adding Adam T to the Lubert Committee. The deal was going to be crammed down in any event - but the Scoundrels wanted to buy "unanimity".....for reasons that should have been obvious at the time - - - but that many folks are just now beginning to realize (and many more still don't "get")

Unfortunately, we only had three "new guys" on the BOT:
- Adam T - who was no better than any of the other sheeple/cocktail party/status climbers that populate the BOT
- Ryan M - who, even in hindsight, defended the settlement process as "the right thing to do"
- and Anthony L - who, in retrospect, realized they were "bamboozled" ......and has worked to remedy that situation as much as possible

It WAS NOT difficult to consider that the Scoundrels had nefarious and "COI" type issues wrt the settlement process - - - and, regardless of that issue, the entire "star chamber"/secret committee nonsense alone is a GIGANTIC breach of fiduciary duty and should have been vociferously opposed by every member of the BOT
Anytime you compromise with the Devil in order to achieve some expedient benefit - - - it doesn't work out. PERIOD
We have been very slow to learn that lesson

 

[PSU_1991]

Could you post some more of these for those of us not on Twitter. Thanks in advance.

Too many to post all but here are some.

 

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[Langmuir]

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I dont know how to contact the paterno's but if they need any dirt on Bernie, i am available.

 

[MoonOverMyHammy]

I wanna see Bernie get ripped to pieces

 

[L.T. Young]

Maybe the claims were paid in the hopes of keeping the 71 and 76 allegations out of the news. Maybe it was to protect the reputation of the University and JVP from further damage. Maybe they didn't want the headlines when the 71 and 76 "victims' were forced to sue and the media were to lambaste PSU for being insensitive to the victims and the coverup going back into the 70s.

Unfortunately the 71 and 76 allegations came to light anyway.

There's no maybe about it, and I don't think many would argue it was without some merit.

I believe they're pointing out that there was a good chance the insurance company would challenge and we'd end up here anyway.

Whether the claims were viewed as too weak to pay, or being used as they are now, this wasn't totally unexpected.

And let's be honest, there's no way anyone would choose the "after" in this case if you're contemplating possible results. Anyway you slice it things got worse for everyone.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

Maybe Maybe not. But the media believe them. Can you imagine if PSU had denied these "victims" and forced them to sue? The media s**tstorm would have been unbearable. And remember there are no guarantees at trial. PSU could've won, but they could've lost, too. There would have been testimony very damaging.

Its very noble to say 'deny them' and mount the steed of truth. But you have to consider - realistically - the consequences. The other side isn't going to just lay down and play dead. They would use every weapon in their arsenal, including media sentiment, to bash PSU and to drive up the value of their claim.

Who knows what other skeletons will be unearthed?

It also can't be denied that taking these allegations to court is the last thing the "victims" from 1971 and 1976 wanted, but as pointed out in Scott's tweets, now they're going to get. Let's not forget that it's the NCAA who pushed the release of these depositions to cover their asses in the suit the Paternos have against them.

So now we are definitely going to see Bernie subpoenaed as a star witness re: the 1971 allegation. The public will find out how a 35 year old teacher hung out with 15 year olds on a regular basis. We are going to find out whether the 1976 victim actually attended a football camp, since he seems to have a recollection of where campers showered different from anyone else who attended a sports camp at PSU for the past 4 decades. We're also going to get the explanation of how they actually contacted Paterno- especially how a 14 year old wandered across campus and just happened to run into Joe nowhere near his office.

The best part is, since the media decided to rip the Paterno name once again, and attack anyone defending the family name, there is absolutely no reason to show a molecule of mercy to a 62 year old millionaire crying the blues about health issues.

There are plenty of skeletons out there, blackie. They're just not in the closets you think they're in. Or maybe you do know and are just hoping they don't open those doors.

 

[OldTiredLion]

I dont know how to contact the paterno's but if they need any dirt on Bernie, i am available.

I believe Scott has a law office in Harrisburg/Hershey. However, his Mom still lives at the same home on McKee Street. I'm sure she'd be glad to help you.

 

[L.T. Young]

My opinion is that they wanted these allegations to come to light, in order to give their heinous responses more justification. The individuals behind this latest maneuver are scared shitless of something, and they will stop at nothing to make sure nobody is looking at them. I contend, like others, that the university sued PMA to make sure that this information came to light.

It won't work. We won't let it work.

I don't see it.

There's no way this goes away quietly once it's made public. It's not a secret how far people will go to defend Joe, and the claims border on pure fantasy.

I think it's more likely they felt pressure to justify the original decision and were forced into taking a risk. JMO

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Scott is killing MM. He finally woke up out of the coma he's been in for 5 years

 

[wensilver]

Don't mistake my input as defending their actions. I'm not and I never will.
You're right that the shiny object of JVP was perhaps the biggest reason the dumpster fire was of epic proportions. The OGBOT's shortsightedness and hubris, and for some, a desire to harm JVP allowed this to be a disaster that needed to be handled outside of the corporate handbook protocols. And they weren't up to it or interested in doing that. So, imo, they are the #1 case study for worst handling of a crisis ever.

Along with many others, I've said from the onset of their horror show that their biggest mistake was to treat this like Vioxx and other corporate messes. People don't love Merck or BP... but countless alums and fans and others absolutely love Penn State as something special and far more than an inanimate entity with a stock valuation to think about. If it's possible to feel a heartfelt love for something inanimate, I truly love Penn State and Happy Valley, and have for over 50 years.

An important aspect of that love having grown and thrived over the years for so many of us was JVP. He was not the only aspect, not the most important, but often the most visible and tangible and perhaps even the most interesting in some ways. Unfortunately, our OGBOT did not love PSU the way its constituents - and JVP - always have. They treated Dear Old State like she was Merck or BP or MBNA or whatever other soulless company they ran, and in their never-ending tone deafness, completely misunderstood and underestimated the reaction of the great unwashed, unsophisticated, uncomprehending alums like me.

So here we are, even taking into account hindsight bias, knowing full well that most any of us could have handled this thing better from the get-go than these multimillionaires and half-billionaires have. The most important reason is that we would have had a true and sincere and unencumbered and an ethically-unchallenged agenda for handling the situation with integrity.

Exactly. But I'm going to wait for @Cruising Route 66 to tell me how to think.

I wonder if he will apply for Public Comment July 22nd and express his unwavering support to the Board in person?

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Don't mistake my input as defending their actions. I'm not and I never will.
You're right that the shiny object of JVP was perhaps the biggest reason the dumpster fire was of epic proportions. The OGBOT's shortsightedness and hubris, and for some, a desire to harm JVP allowed this to be a disaster that needed to be handled outside of the corporate handbook protocols. And they weren't up to it or interested in doing that. So, imo, they are the #1 case study for worst handling of a crisis ever.

Along with many others, I've said from the onset of their horror show that their biggest mistake was to treat this like Vioxx and other corporate messes. People don't love Merck or BP... but countless alums and fans and others absolutely love Penn State as something special and far more than an inanimate entity with a stock valuation to think about. If it's possible to feel a heartfelt love for something inanimate, I truly love Penn State and Happy Valley, and have for over 50 years.

An important aspect of that love having grown and thrived over the years for so many of us was JVP. He was not the only aspect, not the most important, but often the most visible and tangible and perhaps even the most interesting in some ways. Unfortunately, our OGBOT did not love PSU the way its constituents - and JVP - always have. They treated Dear Old State like she was Merck or BP or MBNA or whatever other soulless company they ran, and in their never-ending tone deafness, completely misunderstood and underestimated the reaction of the great unwashed, unsophisticated, uncomprehending alums like me.

So here we are, even taking into account hindsight bias, knowing full well that most any of us could have handled this thing better from the get-go than these multimillionaires and half-billionaires have. The most important reason is that we would have had a true and sincere and unencumbered and an ethically-unchallenged agenda for handling the situation with integrity.

Excellent analysis !

 

[pandaczar12]

I dont know how to contact the paterno's but if they need any dirt on Bernie, i am available.

Sign up for twitter?

 

[wensilver]

I have a feeling the reason they went the way they did is because PSU did not immediately invoke the TSM Indemnification. This suggests to me that they didn't reveal to PMA that they had the indemnification, because PMA would have insisted that TSM's insurers be pulled into the settlement process and made primarily responsible for all settlements. However, TSM's insurers would have likely counter-sued the TSM Executives and Board Members (including Lubert)....and probably the State of Pennsylvania as DPW was engaged in a close "Agency Relationship" with TSM. There are very few other explanations as to why TSM has been protected by the corrupt at every turn and why we're only learning much of this at this very late date.

This is the question that has to be answered.

We know PSU had an agreement with TSM. The Outreach Office & Office of Risk Management haven't fully stepped up to the plate here.

To make the football program responsible for a non-profit in town, their oversight of an employee accessing minors under the auspices of that program and the fact that this non-profit is using the university brand & resources to enrich itself is mind boggling.

It was not Joe's job to keep Jerry & by extent, Second Mile on a short leash. That's on Dr. Jack, the TSM Board & their insurer.

So WHY wasn't TSM insurer brought in from the beginning? Why was Lynne Abraham allowed to thwart that action?

I'd love to know more on how this works by those that have an institution that allow non-profits to have a parasitic relationship to them.

The simple fact that Jerry allowed minors to monkey around on equipment meant for elite adult athletes, if I read that correctly, is stunning - what if a kid knocked a tooth out or fractured an eye socket?

Jeezus - the insurance liability! Most health clubs don't allow minors on the equipment.

 

[jubaaltman]

This is the question that has to be answered.

We know PSU had an agreement with TSM. The Outreach Office & Office of Risk Management haven't fully stepped up to the plate here.

To make the football program responsible for a non-profit in town, their oversight of an employee accessing minors under the auspices of that program and the fact that this non-profit is using the university brand & resources to enrich itself is mind boggling.

It was not Joe's job to keep Jerry & by extent, Second Mile on a short leash. That's on Dr. Jack, the TSM Board & their insurer.

So WHY wasn't TSM insurer brought in from the beginning? Why was Lynne Abraham allowed to thwart that action?

I'd love to know more on how this works by those that have an institution that allow non-profits to have a parasitic relationship to them.

The simple fact that Jerry allowed minors to monkey around on equipment meant for elite adult athletes, if I read that correctly, is stunning - what if a kid knocked a tooth out or fractured an eye socket?

Jeezus - the insurance liability! Most health clubs don't allow minors on the equipment.

The problem was, Penn State Bot was protecting themselves, their family and friends on TSM Board which had a personal liability clause for those who knew of, allowed or participated in wrong doing. Hence the insistence on claimants not suing TSM.

It's as simple as that.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

This is the question that has to be answered.

We know PSU had an agreement with TSM. The Outreach Office & Office of Risk Management haven't fully stepped up to the plate here.

To make the football program responsible for a non-profit in town, their oversight of an employee accessing minors under the auspices of that program and the fact that this non-profit is using the university brand & resources to enrich itself is mind boggling.

It was not Joe's job to keep Jerry & by extent, Second Mile on a short leash. That's on Dr. Jack, the TSM Board & their insurer.

So WHY wasn't TSM insurer brought in from the beginning? Why was Lynne Abraham allowed to thwart that action?

I'd love to know more on how this works by those that have an institution that allow non-profits to have a parasitic relationship to them.

The simple fact that Jerry allowed minors to monkey around on equipment meant for elite adult athletes, if I read that correctly, is stunning - what if a kid knocked a tooth out or fractured an eye socket?

Jeezus - the insurance liability! Most health clubs don't allow minors on the equipment.

Yes, exactly. PSU had a formal agreement with TSM whereby TSM Indemnified PSU in regards to TSM's (via Sandusky, the founder and most powerful regulatory-listed "Control Person") use of the facilities. Was the existence of this agreement ever made known to PSU's insurer? Why was it not invoked immediately - TSM was clearly notified by PSU in both 1998 and 2001. Why was TSM and TSM Insurers not made a part of the Settlement Process from the get go given that they clearly took responsibility for TSM's actions (including Sandusky's actions) on PSU's Campus via their contract with, and indemnification of, PSU. I have a feeling TSM's Insurer's would have sued TSM's Executives & Board Members (of which Sandusky was one) as there is likely an exception clause voiding the coverage if self-inflicted -- IOW, TSM's Executives & Board Members would have become personally liable....hence, conflicted lowlife's like Ira Lubert using PSU as the "indemnifying" party directly OPPOSITE the way the TSM-PSU Contract reads. If this is the case, how on earth is this not a grossly illegal dereliction of Fiduciary Obligation to PSU???

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

The problem was, Penn State Bot was protecting themselves, their family and friends on TSM Board which had a personal liability clause for those who knew of, allowed or participated in wrong doing. Hence the insistence on claimants not suing TSM.

It's as simple as that.

Yes, but this would be a gross, and illegal, violation of their Legally-binding Fiduciary Obligation to PSU as PSU held a contract with TSM in which TSM "Indemnified" PSU. Essentially reversing the "Indemnification" clause, then burying this information and using hundreds of millions of dollars of PSU's assets to protect yourself (not a legitimate use of PSU's assets) is a gross and intentional violation of Fiduciary Obligation to PSU (the fact that they are personally conflicted in regards to TSM is not PSU's problem). Do not understand how the OAG in the form of the Solicitor General can just stand idly by while all this shocking information just pours into the public domain - the State of Pennsylvania need to step in and put an end to the pillaging of it's State-Founded "Flagship" University - this is freaking ridiculous.

 

[jubaaltman]

Yes, exactly. PSU had a formal agreement with TSM whereby TSM Indemnified PSU in regards to TSM's (via Sandusky, the founder and most powerful regulatory-listed "Control Person") use of the facilities. Was the existence of this agreement ever made known to PSU's insurer? Why was it not invoked immediately - TSM was clearly notified by PSU in both 1998 and 2001. Why was TSM and TSM Insurers not made a part of the Settlement Process from the get go given that they clearly took responsibility for TSM's actions (including Sandusky's) actions on PSU's Campus via their contract with, and indemnification of, PSU. I have a feeling TSM's Insurer's would have sued TSM's Executives & Board Members (of which Sandusky was one) as there is likely an exception clause voiding the coverage if self-inflicted -- IOW, TSM's Executives & Board Members would have become personally liable....hence, conflicted lowlife's like Ira Lubert using PSU as the "indemnifying" party directly OPPOSITE the way the TSM-PSU Contract reads. If this is the case, how on earth is this not a grossly illegal dereliction of Fiduciary Obligation to PSU???

They didn't indemnify PSU for alleged criminal activity, only for bodily harm related to the facility. This is why Joe didn't want JS to use the facilities for risk of injury. Not the BS trolls make up about Joe "knew" what JS was doing to kids.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

If this is the case, how on earth is this not a grossly illegal dereliction of Fiduciary Obligation to PSU???

You know it is.....
I know it is.....
Every vertebrate with an IQ over 75 knows it is......

But no one with any standing or bully pulpit - OAG, Media, BOT Members, Elected Officials etc - says "boo".
Why is that?

To paraphrase WenSilver........I'm out of freaking patience with the whole lot of them.

We need more aggressive tactics - I guess

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

They didn't indemnify PSU for alleged criminal activity, only for bodily harm related to the facility. This is why Joe didn't want JS to use the facilities for risk of injury. Not the BS trolls make up about Joe "knew" what JS was doing to kids.

Yes, but TSM did Indemnify PSU for liabilities arising out of the acts of TSM Employees in connection with TSM Programs being conducted on PSU's Campus. In 1998, Sandusky was adjudicated by DPW to have been operating within the bounds of TSM's Program. TSM was again notified in 2001 of Sandusky's behavior in regards to the "Friends Fitness Program". Both of these incidents resulted in Civil Claims being filed against PSU and TSM's "Indemnification" would apply (btw, PSU had no idea "criminal behavior" took place either as neither the 1998 or 2001 Incidents included the filing of a "Criminal Complaint" by anyone, the 1998 Incident - which was identical in nature to 2001 - was marked "Unfounded" by DPW [e.g., not criminal] and 2001 was reported outside PSU "to the same authorities" as 1998 [e.g., TSM/DPW/CYS] as testified to by both Schultz and Curley. We know the reporting outside PSU was made as even Raykovitz and Heim both admit.).

 

[EPC FAN]

I believe Scott has a law office in Harrisburg/Hershey. However, his Mom still lives at the same home on McKee Street. I'm sure she'd be glad to help you.

Sue Paterno
830 McKee St.
State College, PA 16803-3632

 

[Legion of Lions]

"Strategery" - indeed!

Like "trickification". Part of me wonders if Ira didn't air drop himself into the "vetting" process as a way to make some coin off a non-profit with Kline. Like a twisted "Trading Places" kinda of thing. These guys are uber wealthy - but I wondered if there was some sort of thrill in seeing exactly how much they could get away with and it would all be laffed over in the end over a $1 bet.

BINGO....you have exposed PART of this "Conspiracy of Convenience". Look at the LAWYERS who represented the Penn State "Benefactors" (A/KA "Victims).

A super majority of them are friends of....want to guess????? non other than Ira Lupert. Nothing suspicious here...only $30+M in fees made by these 2 or 3 "lawyer friends". Bet a "finders fee to Lupert is not out of the question.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

BINGO....you have exposed PART of this "Conspiracy of Convenience". Look at the LAWYERS who represented the Penn State "Benefactors" (A/KA "Victims).

A super majority of them are friends of....want to guess????? non other than Ira Lupert. Nothing suspicious here...only $30+M in fees made by these 2 or 3 "lawyer friends". Bet a "finders fee to Lupert is not out of the question.

I would expect that the "Star Chamber" settlements provided Ira Lubert with something a LOT more valuable than skimming a couple million out of the process.

Without question - AT THE LEAST - Lubert had to procur insurance that he would not become tagged with the "he knew more/should have done more" label. AT THE LEAST
And that was worth a hell of a lot more to him than a couple million more in "skim" (which is something he could pick up easily through any number of "avenues" available to him)

Where does it all go?






Who knows? When something is handled as secretively - and with such an obscene level of malfeasance - as this entire fiasco has played out, it only makes sense to consider the worst.

 

[psu7113]

To be fair - Old Main has done NOTHING to help. They continue to defend no one and offend no one.

So imagine your family being caught up in a national media shitstorm - by a false narrative manufactured out of Harrisburg - by state officials that lit the match - while Old Main stands by with the bellows - and you try dealing with it.

I am surprised that no one has killed themselves over this yet - many have expressed that concern to the entire BoT, Admin & PSAA in a number of emails.

Is that what this is going to take for SOMEONE in Old Main to change the narrative and start pushing back on Harrisburg? A death?

Well, there was that Gricar fellow....

 

[jjsocrates]

If this is the case, how on earth is this not a grossly illegal dereliction of Fiduciary Obligation to PSU???

The irony of this all?
It all started with a budget battle between Spanier and Corbett.

In order to save a little bit of taxpayer dollars, we have to waste a whole bunch of taxpayer dollars.

ah...logic.

 

[wensilver]

The irony of this all?
It all started with a budget battle between Spanier and Corbett.

In order to save a little bit of taxpayer dollars, we have to waste a whole bunch of taxpayer dollars.

ah...logic.

Even more ironic? An assassination on commonwealth citizens & a complete trampling of their constitutional rights by public officials who are sworn to up hold safety and the constitutional rights of those citizens.

 

[bkmtnittany1]

This is the question that has to be answered.

We know PSU had an agreement with TSM. The Outreach Office & Office of Risk Management haven't fully stepped up to the plate here.

To make the football program responsible for a non-profit in town, their oversight of an employee accessing minors under the auspices of that program and the fact that this non-profit is using the university brand & resources to enrich itself is mind boggling.

It was not Joe's job to keep Jerry & by extent, Second Mile on a short leash. That's on Dr. Jack, the TSM Board & their insurer.

So WHY wasn't TSM insurer brought in from the beginning? Why was Lynne Abraham allowed to thwart that action?

I'd love to know more on how this works by those that have an institution that allow non-profits to have a parasitic relationship to them.

The simple fact that Jerry allowed minors to monkey around on equipment meant for elite adult athletes, if I read that correctly, is stunning - what if a kid knocked a tooth out or fractured an eye socket?

Jeezus - the insurance liability! Most health clubs don't allow minors on the equipment.

Because of this one illegal crime organization that has owned PA. for decades....laundering money and putting money in some prominent pockets....Frank knows all about them

 

[Royal_Coaster]

Even more ironic? An assassination on commonwealth citizens & a complete trampling of their constitutional rights by public officials who are sworn to up hold safety and the constitutional rights of those citizens.

The worst part there being the public officials and their sycophants in the media justify the trampling by stating those bad people don't care about kids; therefore, their rights deserve to be trampled. And the low-information mob cheers. Because they don't realize that if the machine can do this to the "most powerful man in Pennsylvania," what can they do to millions of ordinary Pennsylvanians who stand in their way for more money and power? There are a lot of mine shafts in northeastern PA that can hold a lot of bodies until they're filled up.

 

[simons96]

The worst part there being the public officials and their sycophants in the media justify the trampling by stating those bad people don't care about kids; therefore, their rights deserve to be trampled. And the low-information mob cheers. Because they don't realize that if the machine can do this to the "most powerful man in Pennsylvania," what can they do to millions of ordinary Pennsylvanians who stand in their way for more money and power? There are a lot of mine shafts in northeastern PA that can hold a lot of bodies until they're filled up.

even our founding fathers knew that if we throw away our principles for the "bad" people, then we are no longer the "good" people

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

The irony of this all?
It all started with a budget battle between Spanier and Corbett.

In order to save a little bit of taxpayer dollars, we have to waste a whole bunch of taxpayer dollars.

ah...logic.

Corbett's NARCISSISM at it's finest...