Iowa at Nebraska

[PSU_Pride_93]

So no you dont have a video? I wanted to see the exact moment he spit. I'm sure you can come up with something. Thanks

I went back to that match for my own reference to see if i could see him spit and my view got blocked by the ref. But I did notice a lot of comments on YouTube that Desanto is on the autistic spectrum, is that actually true? (I mean a lot of people are saying it)

Aside from his shenanigans after matches, the kid had been wrestling like nails and as tough as can be. He is adding notice to a sport that goes very unnoticed (whether it is good or bad PR). He is adding a villain that some want to succeed and others want to see destroyed. Mark Hall recently added his kiss on the bicep at the end of his match on his instagram in support of Black History Month and the kiss was a tribute to Colin Kaepernick. I read a few of the comments and some of them were laced with negativity. In our eyes he is a hero but in others he is now a villain. Desanto could tone it down before he seriously injures someone like he tried Micic last year but all in all, he is added a factor to the sport we have never seen.

PS. i already am prepared for the backlash i will receive with this post.

 

[El-Jefe]

So no you dont have a video? I wanted to see the exact moment he spit. I'm sure you can come up with something. Thanks

Sure looks like it at 9:35 of the video in post #200 above.

 

[PSU_Pride_93]

Sure looks like it at 9:35 of the video in post #200 above.

i noticed that as well but the view is blocked and could have been a movement or notion to show he was spitting on the M kinda of like when TO danced on the Star. But shoot i could probably use change on the ole glasses

 

[Cowbell Man]

i noticed that as well but the view is blocked and could have been a movement or notion to show he was spitting on the M kinda of like when TO danced on the Star. But shoot i could probably use change on the ole glasses

I dunno guys. It looks like a really quick bow of respect to the M. I mean, he was so gracious with the handshake and pleasantries while the ref raised his hand.....


Exactly the type of discipline and respect I taught my charges...

(Facepalm)

 

[WildTurk]

I guess I just don't see any spit. DeSanto is certainly under a microscope now. What will he come up with next?

 

[Lyons212]

I guess I just don't see any spit. DeSanto is certainly under a microscope now. What will he come up with next?

He is going to surprise us, next dual he will not have a team point deducted. Have to admit, 3 in a row is a pattern.

 

[jammenz]

The best part was Tom making DeSanto run wind sprints after the meet, as if DeSanto would consider that punishment.

 

[El-Jefe]

I guess I just don't see any spit. DeSanto is certainly under a microscope now. What will he come up with next?

Here, this will help.

 

[raslen007]

So no you dont have a video? I wanted to see the exact moment he spit. I'm sure you can come up with something. Thanks

Search and you will find it - go fetch.

 

[Mpchillin]

He is going to surprise us, next dual he will not have a team point deducted. Have to admit, 3 in a row is a pattern.

Also inaccurate.

 

[dunkej01]

Also inaccurate.

c'mon its 2019...just type #fakenews and move on.

People are busy with their lives. They do not have time to research accuracy of your post or that of what you are commenting on.

They simply will believe or not believe what you write because of the history of your anonymous postings or rather the board you call home.

#simpleasthat
#easypeeze
#journalism2019style

 

[ss7]

Also inaccurate.

Yes. Thank you.

It wasn't 3 in a row. It was 3 in the last 4.

He was able to avoid having a team point deducted ONE time in the past 4 matches he wrestled.

And look at it this way. He's wrestled in 10 dual meets this year, and only been deducted team points in 3 of them. 30%. What wrestler DOESN'T get a team point deducted in 30% of their dual meets?

I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like he ever crossed any lines with losing control of his behavior in the past.

 

[Mpchillin]

c'mon its 2019...just type #fakenews and move on.

People are busy with their lives. They do not have time to research accuracy of your post or that of what you are commenting on.

They simply will believe or not believe what you write because of the history of your anonymous postings or rather the board you call home.

#simpleasthat
#easypeeze
#journalism2019style

Inaccuracies are abundant here, I do what I can.

 

[Mpchillin]

Yes. Thank you.

It wasn't 3 in a row. It was 3 in the last 4.

He was able to avoid having a team point deducted ONE time in the past 4 matches he wrestled.

And look at it this way. He's wrestled in 10 dual meets this year, and only been deducted team points in 3 of them. 30%. What wrestler DOESN'T get a team point deducted in 30% of their dual meets?

I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like he ever crossed any lines with losing control of his behavior in the past.

You’re welcome, glad I can help with the inaccuracies posted here.

 

[El-Jefe]

Inaccuracies are abundant here, I do what I can.

Jammen seems to have given up on being the Voice of Accuracy here.

 

[dunkej01]

Inaccuracies are abundant here, I do what I can.

A- retort. If you would have thrown in about Jammenz I would have given you an A+

 

[dunkej01]

Jammen seems to have given up on being the Voice of Accuracy here.

See @Mpchillin this is what you needed. Creativity is rewarded on BWI.

 

[Mpchillin]

See @Mpchillin this is what you needed. Creativity is rewarded on BWI.

No thanks, I’ll stay with my flavor.

 

[El-Jefe]

No thanks, I’ll stay with my flavor.

Nobody wants to be the next Jammen, despite the advantage of shape shifting to other teams when convenient.

 

[hwksfan]

This appears to be perfectly normal behavior

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this doesn’t look half as bad as other celebrations i’ve seen including Gable Steveson himself. I don’t see him spitting on the mat, I see him bend down but the ref is blocking it, there’s no way you can say he is spitting (once again I was there and no one around me including myself saw him spit). Keep reaching. DeSanto is a great guy and sometimes his emotions get the best of him (who here didn’t let their emotions get the best of them especially when you were 19 years old). Sometimes I think everyone forgets that at the end of the day, these guys are young, college students who compete in the sport they enjoy and love. Stop holding 19 year olds to a standard that none of you could have reached at that age (or now based on some of these posts ).

 

[ss7]

this doesn’t look half as bad as other celebrations i’ve seen including Gable Steveson himself. I don’t see him spitting on the mat, I see him bend down but the ref is blocking it, there’s no way you can say he is spitting (once again I was there and no one around me including myself saw him spit). Keep reaching. DeSanto is a great guy and sometimes his emotions get the best of him (who here didn’t let their emotions get the best of them especially when you were 19 years old). Sometimes I think everyone forgets that at the end of the day, these guys are young, college students who compete in the sport they enjoy and love. Stop holding 19 year olds to a standard that none of you could have reached at that age (or now based on some of these posts ).

Virtually every NCAA wrestler meets the "don't intentionally try to injure opponents" standard.

That's not really a difficult standard to meet.

 

[hwksfan]

Virtually every NCAA wrestler meets the "don't intentionally try to injure opponents" standard.

That's not really a difficult standard to meet.

I have never defended his actions from NCAAs, stop trying to push that narrative. He hasn’t tried to injure opponents once this year (or in the video that I was replying to). I have only defended his actions from this season. Everyone knows what he did at NCAAs (and conference weekend) last year wasn’t okay, and I am saying that something like that won’t happen again because he is in a better situation all around compared to last year.

 

[funkisfun12]

DeSanto is a great guy and sometimes his emotions get the best of him (who here didn’t let their emotions get the best of them especially when you were 19 years old). Sometimes I think everyone forgets that at the end of the day, these guys are young, college students who compete in the sport they enjoy and love.

Desanto is the one and only NCAA D1 wrestler that acts like a punk after or during nearly every match. You don't think he should be held to a higher standard? You don't see a problem? My Lord.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

I went back to that match for my own reference to see if i could see him spit and my view got blocked by the ref. But I did notice a lot of comments on YouTube that Desanto is on the autistic spectrum, is that actually true? (I mean a lot of people are saying it)

Aside from his shenanigans after matches, the kid had been wrestling like nails and as tough as can be. He is adding notice to a sport that goes very unnoticed (whether it is good or bad PR). He is adding a villain that some want to succeed and others want to see destroyed. Mark Hall recently added his kiss on the bicep at the end of his match on his instagram in support of Black History Month and the kiss was a tribute to Colin Kaepernick. I read a few of the comments and some of them were laced with negativity. In our eyes he is a hero but in others he is now a villain. Desanto could tone it down before he seriously injures someone like he tried Micic last year but all in all, he is added a factor to the sport we have never seen.

PS. i already am prepared for the backlash i will receive with this post.

And to think I got scolded for bringing up POTUS

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

I have never defended his actions from NCAAs, stop trying to push that narrative. He hasn’t tried to injure opponents once this year (or in the video that I was replying to). I have only defended his actions from this season. Everyone knows what he did at NCAAs (and conference weekend) last year wasn’t okay, and I am saying that something like that won’t happen again because he is in a better situation all around compared to last year.

Last year he had one instance, this year he pulls something new (although mild in comparison) in every match, yet you think he is in a better situation?? Sure maybe its better now that his new coaches tolerate it. You actually believe he wont try something along the lines of last years kimura again??

 

[ss7]

I have never defended his actions from NCAAs, stop trying to push that narrative. He hasn’t tried to injure opponents once this year (or in the video that I was replying to). I have only defended his actions from this season. Everyone knows what he did at NCAAs (and conference weekend) last year wasn’t okay, and I am saying that something like that won’t happen again because he is in a better situation all around compared to last year.

Oh. OK.

How about the "don't yell in an opponents face right after you beat them" standard? Or the "don't get team points deducted in 3 matches within a 4 match span" standard?

Again, these aren't high standards. Pretty much everyone else meets them.

But if you see nothing wrong with any of that, that's great.

 

[funkisfun12]

Yeah. Berger did it to Nolf too. Definitely coached.

When did Berger do it to an injured Nolf? Nolf MFF'd to Berger at BIGS, and didn't wrestle him at NCAAS to the best of my knowledge.

 

[nerfstate]

When did Berger do it to an injured Nolf? Nolf MFF'd to Berger at BIGS, and didn't wrestle him at NCAAS to the best of my knowledge.

I was referring to the dual couple weeks ago where he seemed to repeatedly torque on Jason’s lower leg/knee as a means of defending a shot.

 

[Aardvark86]

Desanto is the one and only NCAA D1 wrestler that acts like a punk after or during nearly every match. You don't think he should be held to a higher standard? You don't see a problem? My Lord.

1. Desanto has a record of misbehavior during and after matches. "punk" is a loaded word, so let's jettison that.
2. Desanto's problems are medically related, and in particular, seem to manifest as a significant lack of emotional control, and particularly in times of high adrenaline/emotion, which is consistent with the general medical issue.
3. In light of the high adrenaline/emotion context of #2, it is not surprising that Desanto is, in fact, at times able to maintain relative control, but it will be equally unsurprising when he is not able to do so later as the stakes get higher and the emotions get higher. His control is inversely proportional to the emotional and physical stakes of the match at hand, so there does not seem to be any such thing as "progression" or "regression" over the course of the season, but rather it is simply a matter of where a given match slots in on the scale. Personally, I don't see the OK State rematch with Fix ending well at all, assuming he doesn't screw something up against somebody else such that TnT "discipline" him by "sitting" him.
4. #2 is not an excuse to be held to a different standard. There should be progressive, conference-imposed discipline for this sort of thing. If a school is going to take it on, you have to manage it.
5. Iowa (i) should be complimented for attempting to provide him an opportunity and environment to wrestle in light of #2, but (ii) man are they a counter-intuitive environmental option given how "calm" their coaches are, and (iii) they ought to be concerned that whatever they are trying to do to "manage" the situation really isn't working that well.
6. Certain significant portions of the HR message board population should be ashamed of their comical original belief that this was simply something that a little "fatherly mentorship" from TnT would handle.

 

[86PSUPaul]

Oh. OK.

How about the "don't yell in an opponents face right after you beat them" standard? Or the "don't get team points deducted in 3 matches within a 4 match span" standard?

Again, these aren't high standards. Pretty much everyone else meets them.

But if you see nothing wrong with any of that, that's great.

Just for clarity, were the team points deducted in 3 of 4 matches he competed in? I know he was benched by Tom, after making him weigh in, for one match, is that the 4th match or was there another he wrestled and didn’t have a deduction?

 

[funkisfun12]

I was referring to the dual couple weeks ago where he seemed to repeatedly torque on Jason’s lower leg/knee as a means of defending a shot.

Gotcha, my bad.

 

[Cowbell Man]

I have never defended his actions from NCAAs, stop trying to push that narrative. He hasn’t tried to injure opponents once this year (or in the video that I was replying to). I have only defended his actions from this season. Everyone knows what he did at NCAAs (and conference weekend) last year wasn’t okay, and I am saying that something like that won’t happen again because he is in a better situation all around compared to last year.

I absolutely could have refrained from the hand slap and jawing DeSanto did at the end of that match even if he didn’t spit. Apparently would you be surprised to know I actually WAS able to do that...AND at that age. There is no excuse for it. I saw Lizak do nothing to warrant his behavior.

Deflecting to Gable doesn’t make it better despite Gable being rather obtuse as well.

I do expect sportsmanship. At every level. At every age.

 

[funkisfun12]

1. Desanto has a record of misbehavior during and after matches. "punk" is a loaded word, so let's jettison that.
2. Desanto's problems are medically related, and in particular, seem to manifest as a significant lack of emotional control, and particularly in times of high adrenaline/emotion, which is consistent with the general medical issue.
3. In light of the high adrenaline/emotion context of #2, it is not surprising that Desanto is, in fact, at times able to maintain relative control, but it will be equally unsurprising when he is not able to do so later as the stakes get higher and the emotions get higher. His control is inversely proportional to the emotional and physical stakes of the match at hand, so there does not seem to be any such thing as "progression" or "regression" over the course of the season, but rather it is simply a matter of where a given match slots in on the scale.
4. #2 is not an excuse to be held to a different standard. There should be progressive, conference-imposed discipline for this sort of thing. If a school is going to take it on, you have to manage it.
5. Iowa (i) should be complimented for attempting to provide him an opportunity and environment to wrestle in light of #2, but (ii) man are they a counter-intuitive environmental option given how "calm" their coaches are, and (iii) they ought to be concerned that whatever they are trying to do to "manage" the situation really isn't working that well.
6. Certain significant portions of the HR message board population should be ashamed of their comical original belief that this was simply something that a little "fatherly mentorship" from TnT would handle.

I have yet to see or hear anything official that tells us that Desanto's actions are medically related. Only message board banter. I understand that it's nobody's business if that's the case. Iowa should be commended? He's gotten worse since he got there. Brands is gonna have to figure in penalty points at BIGS and NCAAS.

 

[ss7]

Just for clarity, were the team points deducted in 3 of 4 matches he competed in? I know he was benched by Tom, after making him weigh in, for one match, is that the 4th match or was there another he wrestled and didn’t have a deduction?

No. He's wrestled one match in 2019 without getting a team point deducted.

January 27 vs Valdiviez.

January 25 vs Illinios is when he sat.

 

[Aardvark86]

I have yet to see or hear anything official that tells us that Desanto's actions are medically related. Only message board banter. I understand that it's nobody's business if that's the case. Iowa should be commended? He's gotten worse since he got there. Brands is gonna have to figure in penalty points at BIGS and NCAAS.

Dude, be honest with yourself. This is classic spectrum behavior, which is publicly known. As to the last part, read ALL of the words.

 

[matter7172]

You’re welcome, glad I can help with the inaccuracies posted here.

It's also a distinction without a difference, but who's keeping track?

 

[a_mshaffer]

Last year he had one instance, this year he pulls something new (although mild in comparison) in every match, yet you think he is in a better situation?? Sure maybe its better now that his new coaches tolerate it. You actually believe he wont try something along the lines of last years kimura again??

I enjoyed watching him in the 2018 scuffle. I liked his tenacity and hustle. Of course he did get concussed in one match. I wasn't sure his speaking to the coach when on the mat was the norm or just situational. Regardless, I did see first hand at the NCAAs and other spots all mentioned above. Celebrate but not at your opponents expense. Just show some class....

 

[hwksfan]

I absolutely could have refrained from the hand slap and jawing DeSanto did at the end of that match even if he didn’t spit. Apparently would you be surprised to know I actually WAS able to do that...AND at that age. There is no excuse for it. I saw Lizak do nothing to warrant his behavior.

Deflecting to Gable doesn’t make it better despite Gable being rather obtuse as well.

I do expect sportsmanship. At every level. At every age.

just bc you didn’t see anything Lizak did to warrant Desanto’s actions doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I heard there was lots of drama and banter at weigh ins regarding the starting weight. The minny coaches confronted DeSanto directly during this. I also know that someone showed Desanto the tweet from Lizak (even thought it was a fake account, desanto didn’t know it was) before the match to get his adrenaline going. That was the reason for the delay between the 2 and 3rd period because desanto and coaches were making the decision to go down. After he won the match his emotions were running very high, he just beat a guy no one (besides iowa fans) thought he could beat along with the minny coaches talking shit earlier and the tweet as the cherry on the cake. Until this point, his emotions were very under control (even when he lost in a big match). The coaches thought that his emotions were under control until this point, since then they have been working with him about it.

Like spencer said, the team gets him really hyped up before his matches and he hasn’t figured out how to turn the adrenaline off once the match ends. I have faith in Desanto and the coaches that this will get under control.

This is obviously a topic that we will not agree on. We can agree to disagree on this, but it’s not black and white. Just because team points were taken away doesn’t mean he did something super horrible (remember Bo and Snyder got a team point taken away in the NCAA finals for throwing headgear, at their own corner)

 

[funkisfun12]

Dude, be honest with yourself. This is classic spectrum behavior, which is publicly known. As to the last part, read ALL of the words.

Dude, to be honest with myself, and you, regrettably I'm not all that familiar with "classic" spectrum behavior. If that's the case (which is publicly known on wrestling forums only), Iowa doesn't appear to be the place for him, "medically". I've read opinions from several people experienced in the field stating that these behaviors can be controlled with the right approach. In the end, Desanto is the perfect Iowa wrestler, fits the mold. What I do know is that when he gets beat in Pittsburgh, it's gonna be louder than when Caldwell took out Metcalf. We'll see if we can commend Iowa after his reaction to that. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[matter7172]

I always noticed it on HR but it's here by HR cross-posters - an inability to address someone else's points without veering into something non-germane. I don't get it.