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Is Nick Lee not a safe space for conversation?

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Just to stir the discussion

For starters we are blessed to have him. The unique talent is apparent and at times reminds me of Zain at the same age. Likewise we are far better off with him in the lineup than Cortez and he may very well give us the points needed for another title.

That said, I have expected just a little more from him, granted he is only a true freshman. Maybe I am just spoiled. The tOSU match is the poster child although there have been a couple of others Zachearl, Gfeller when he got stuck and even Profaci was just an ok victory where he should have bonused. I see zero fault with the Yanni loss he is amazing. McKenna is a multi year qualifier and clearly used that experience to craft and follow a gameplan that could deliver a victory.

I view the McKenna match as one of the two or three absolute must win matches, and frankly thought the worst when he lost. I was really bummed all the way until Cassar made my day. Nick had the match in hand and got a little sloppy IMHO. I'm not sure he was fully aware McKenna had a riding time point coming to him when he let him go. Did he have a gameplan and was it followed? It seemed a little more freelance to me.

I any case my primary issue was that going in to the meet, that match was in my view, the single most critical match to put the team in position to win and he let it get away. I hope it was a learning experience that will benefit us in the tourneys this year.

No question next year he will develop more and will be a terror. I think he needs to get a little stronger and has some difficulty navigating those tough positions against stronger guys. If you look at Zain's body today it is not the same as the freshman Zain and his strength is now an asset.
 
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of his matches that i have seen this year, Saturday night was the first time i thought he looked like a true freshman in one aspect .... he really struggled to get out on bottom. It wore him out a bit

cost him this match. i think it will be a different story in a rematch
 
Lot of people sleeping on McKenna. He's 69-7 with ~50% bonus rate. Of his 7 career losses 4 have been in overtime.

Expectations here are ridiculous sometimes. Nick lost a close match and looks to be in great shape for the rematch.
 
Not much to say- wrestles like everyone should aspire to wrestle. Nick attacks from whistle to whistle and is already capable of bonus points against all but a handful of guys. If any of the other true freshmen who are in redshirt turn out to be as good as Nick it will be a pleasant thing indeed. I'm thinking Berge and Verk are capable.
 
Nick Lee isn't a true freshman. He took his senior year of HS and turned it into his college redshirt year.

Its like calling Mark Hall a true freshman last year. Wasn't he 21? When I saw him talk about "wrestling grown men" I actually said to the TV "dude, you are like 30, you are a grown man!!".

I think just because he is a true freshman by designation doesn't mean he is a true freshman in reality. Yianni? True Freshman. Desanto? True Freshman.

Nick Lee has spent a year training in a college room. He is where a redshirt freshman would be developmentally, no?
 
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I agree with you and think you may be spoiled. McKenna is not simply a national qualifier. He placed 3rd at NCAA's in NYC and is a Junior World silver medalist. It was a tossup match that was a good test for Nick. I would expect them to meet in the finals of B1Gs.
 
Nick Lee isn't a true freshman. He took his senior year of HS and turned it into his college redshirt year.

Its like calling Mark Hall a true freshman last year. Wasn't he 21? When I saw him talk about "wrestling grown men" I actually said to the TV "dude, you are like 30, you are a grown man!!".

I think just because he is a true freshman by designation doesn't mean he is a true freshman in reality. Yianni? True Freshman. Desanto? True Freshman.

Nick Lee has spent a year training in a college room. He is where a redshirt freshman would be devementally, no?

No. When you gain man strength you improve. You are discounting the fact that guys training as high school seniors also improve. 1 extra year of growth physically plus any high school improvement would need to be subtracted from your equation to make all things equal.

Kyle Snyder lost to Nathan Burak after spending his senior year at the OTC. Kyle Snyder ended up getting even better, and so will Nick Lee. The young man is very good now, but he has that Zain/Nolf/Taylor type scoring mentality that has proven itself repeatedly at PSU.
 
Just to stir the discussion

For starters we are blessed to have him. The unique talent is apparent and at times reminds me of Zane at the same age. Likewise we are far better off with him in the lineup than Cortez and he may very well give us the points needed for another title.

That said, I have expected just a little more from him, granted he is only a true freshman. Maybe I am just spoiled. The tOSU match is the poster child although there have been a couple of others Zachearl, Gfeller when he got stuck and even Profaci was just an ok victory where He should have bonused. I see zero fault with the Yanni loss he is amazing. McKenna is a multi year qualifier and clearly used that experience to craft and follow a gameplan that could deliver a victory.

I view the McKenna match as one of the two or three absolute must win matches, and frankly thought the worst when he lost. I was really bummed all the way until Cassar made my day. Nick had the match in hand and got a little sloppy IMHO. I'm not sure he was fully aware McKenna had a riding time point coming to him when he let him go. Did he have a gameplan and was it followed? It seemed a little more freelance to me.

I any case my primary issue was that going in to the meet, that match was in my view, the single most critical match to put the team in position to win and he let it get away. I hope it was a learning experience that will benefit us in the tourneys this year.

No question next year he will develop more and will be a terror. I think he needs to get a little stronger and has some difficulty navigating those tough positions against stronger guys. If you look at Zain's body today it is not the same as the freshman Zane and his strength is now an asset.
If you have to spend that much time dancing around a subject to avoid the appearance of negativity towards the kid, perhaps not saying it was a better avenue, and that includes the title of your thread.
 
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Nick Lee isn't a true freshman. He took his senior year of HS and turned it into his college redshirt year.

Its like calling Mark Hall a true freshman last year. Wasn't he 21? When I saw him talk about "wrestling grown men" I actually said to the TV "dude, you are like 30, you are a grown man!!".

I think just because he is a true freshman by designation doesn't mean he is a true freshman in reality. Yianni? True Freshman. Desanto? True Freshman.

Nick Lee has spent a year training in a college room. He is where a redshirt freshman would be developmentally, no?

Hall turned 21 a few weeks ago. So you were calling him 30 when he was just a few months removed from being a teenager. Good one, though.
 
Nick Lee isn't a true freshman. He took his senior year of HS and turned it into his college redshirt year.

Its like calling Mark Hall a true freshman last year. Wasn't he 21? When I saw him talk about "wrestling grown men" I actually said to the TV "dude, you are like 30, you are a grown man!!".

I think just because he is a true freshman by designation doesn't mean he is a true freshman in reality. Yianni? True Freshman. Desanto? True Freshman.

Nick Lee has spent a year training in a college room. He is where a redshirt freshman would be developmentally, no?

ahhh.... no
 
Holy nitpicking, Batman.

And, yes, spoiled. Not every true freshman can be Hall or Zain or Nico -- and that's OK.

Speaking of which, I'm old enough to remember Nico losing 8x as a true FR. By nationals, he had figured out all of them except the returning champ.
 
If Nick would have dominated Mckenna, then we would be talking about his chances and our expectations of being very high on the podium. As it is, we think he can AA and has the potential to rise higher... this year
 
I knew I would get the crap beat out of me by a few of you, its all good. Granted when it comes to my capitalization and spell check I will surely disappoint all of you english majors for years to come I can guarantee that.

My primary point is there was virtually zero commentary on that one match following the biggest and most amazing dual I can remember. A year or so from now when we eclipse 69 straight many may forget how close this streak came to an end.

Nick is awesome and will be more awesome in the future. Mackenna is very good and one reason why I was hoping we would land him last year, even with Cortez in the fold and Nick on RS.

All said when the spotlight is on him the next time against an opponent he 'should' beat, I hope he tears him apart leaving no doubt. I agree the outcome will be different the next time they meet.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see Lee choose neutral instead of bottom in the postseason, against hammers anyway. He scores enough that the 1 escape point is worth less to someone who can convert against just about everyone else like Lee can, and you can't score from neutral when you're being ridden. But there's less to lose in January and February so why not give him that experience.
 
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McKenna had a plan and executed it well, I'm not sure Lee was given a plan ... I say this as a compliment.

Rather than throw tantrums on the sideline, Cael is always watching for ways his kids can improve. He will often just send kids out to wrestle their match the 1st time they wrestle an opponent in a dual. In a rematch things are usually different.

In the finals last year, Joseph was coached to take away IMar's left side under-hook. Saturday, BoJo had no offense because Hall didn't give him his left leg.

Next time Nick faces McKenna, Joey will be facing a different wrestler.
 
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Nick Lee isn't a true freshman. He took his senior year of HS and turned it into his college redshirt year.

Its like calling Mark Hall a true freshman last year. Wasn't he 21? When I saw him talk about "wrestling grown men" I actually said to the TV "dude, you are like 30, you are a grown man!!".

I think just because he is a true freshman by designation doesn't mean he is a true freshman in reality. Yianni? True Freshman. Desanto? True Freshman.

Nick Lee has spent a year training in a college room. He is where a redshirt freshman would be developmentally, no?

Just my opinion... .don't care if he spent last year wrestling at NLWC or his high school gym or on the moon...he's a true freshman.
 
I knew I would get the crap beat out of me by a few of you, its all good. Granted when it comes to my capitalization and spell check I will surely disappoint all of you english majors for years to come I can guarantee that.

My primary point is there was virtually zero commentary on that one match following the biggest and most amazing dual I can remember. A year or so from now when we eclipse 69 straight many may forget how close this streak came to an end.

Nick is awesome and will be more awesome in the future. Mackenna is very good and one reason why I was hoping we would land him last year, even with Cortez in the fold and Nick on RS.

All said when the spotlight is on him the next time against an opponent he 'should' beat, I hope he tears him apart leaving no doubt. I agree the outcome will be different the next time they meet.
Engish majors? How about HS Graduates? LO, I kid (winky emoji inserted here)
 
Nick Lee isn't a true freshman. He took his senior year of HS and turned it into his college redshirt year.

Its like calling Mark Hall a true freshman last year. Wasn't he 21? When I saw him talk about "wrestling grown men" I actually said to the TV "dude, you are like 30, you are a grown man!!".

I think just because he is a true freshman by designation doesn't mean he is a true freshman in reality. Yianni? True Freshman. Desanto? True Freshman.

Nick Lee has spent a year training in a college room. He is where a redshirt freshman would be developmentally, no?
He trained freestyle, different than college folk. And he is physically a true freshman- it isn’t like he was allowed to lift and train with the team.
 
I knew I would get the crap beat out of me by a few of you, its all good. Granted when it comes to my capitalization and spell check I will surely disappoint all of you english majors for years to come I can guarantee that.

My primary point is there was virtually zero commentary on that one match following the biggest and most amazing dual I can remember. A year or so from now when we eclipse 69 straight many may forget how close this streak came to an end.

Nick is awesome and will be more awesome in the future. Mackenna is very good and one reason why I was hoping we would land him last year, even with Cortez in the fold and Nick on RS.

All said when the spotlight is on him the next time against an opponent he 'should' beat, I hope he tears him apart leaving no doubt. I agree the outcome will be different the next time they meet.
I think the difference in your response to that match and that of many others of us, is that most of us saw it as a virtual toss-up (McKenna is very good!) and weren't surprised with a match that wrestled like a toss-up. Since there were so many matches to comment on, it might have gotten less press. But I think you may have underestimated McKenna.
 
Nick Lee isn't a true freshman. He took his senior year of HS and turned it into his college redshirt year.

Its like calling Mark Hall a true freshman last year. Wasn't he 21? When I saw him talk about "wrestling grown men" I actually said to the TV "dude, you are like 30, you are a grown man!!".

I think just because he is a true freshman by designation doesn't mean he is a true freshman in reality. Yianni? True Freshman. Desanto? True Freshman.

Nick Lee has spent a year training in a college room. He is where a redshirt freshman would be developmentally, no?

Actually "True Freshman" = True Freshman in terms of college eligibility. This is how everybody defines the term - it's really not complicated or up for interpretation. Mark Hall was a true freshman last year and Nick Lee is a true freshman this year. Capiche?
 
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