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Football Ole Miss too much for shorthanded Penn State to handle as Lions fall 38-25

Allar is better than Beau but Allar has a long way to go to be a solid QB. Coach K better be given free reign to retool this offense and give it a consistent identity. There needs to be more diverse run game and short/quick passing game.
He won't be. It will be the same shit we seen every year. Then he will become the scapegoat.
 
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Let’s be honest - those tools calling the game couldn’t say it, but the hit on Carter was dirty from what I saw. Not “rolled up on” like they kept saying over and over.
They seemed to salivate on how good Ole Miss was most of the game. To be honest though, they were well prepared and played good.
 
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On the bright side, we’re going to grill some nice steaks tonight, open a good bottle of wine and enjoy the rest of the weekend.
I still like to watch PSU football, but my investment is nowhere close to what it was a few years ago. I won’t lose a wink of sleep over this game or this season.
 
We started the game playing 2nd and 3rd team guys.
He's not the problem. People here, like you, just like the backup QB. Hopefully we hit the portal hard and get him real weapons.
The one legit criticism of him is the batted balls.
If you are a big play receiver why would you come to Penn State?
 
He is Hackenberg all over again. Please Franklin stop recruiting these pro style QBs. Our best teams over the past 20 years have dual treat talent. Robinson, Clark, McSorley, whereas Hackenberg, Clifford, Allar just don't get it done. They are stiff with one skill. A strong arm. But they do not have any moxie!

Hackenberg was 100x worse than Allar.
Allar has no open WRs. They truly suck.

LdN
 
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"Want to thank the pro PSU crowd today in Atlanta...it was awesome! I thought we battled." This will likely be soon to come...
 
Time to quit making excuses…PSU was NOT prepared for this game! We only win when we are clearly more athletic…otherwise coaching will doom us!!


This team has some glaring weaknesses, the most obvious, as we have known, being the WR group. We're told they have speed but something has been very wrong, and I don't think it's Drew Allar. They are either poorly coached, or simply players who can't get it done. Why such trouble getting open? Why do they rarely make a contested catch? Why the miscommunication with the QB, the ball going to where the receiver is not? Drew Allar did not come to PSU with an accuracy problem.

Today we were weak defensively. It looked like the defensive secondary was playing its first game of the season. These guys had a lot of playing time, but today they often looked confused and out of place. Do they not have position coaches? Should Allen get them replaced? Is Allen the right guy for these players? Huge questions going forward.

That said, at the top, Franklin teams are rarely prepared for a big game, and most unprepared when there is extra practice time. It's been a pattern for a decade. It's been the opposite of what we had with JVP when he was in his prime (at Franklin's age). JVP often lacked players, but you expected them to be disciplined and prepared.

Something Saban said after a loss was interesting to me. He said he relies on his team leaders (players) to do what many of us would expect of position coaches, and that this year such leadership was lacking. Even a success like Saban needs "leaders" on the field of play.

I see Saban bringing two things that Franklin has been unable to deliver: (1) Focus on preparation, and (2) the advantage of reputation -- something that comes with past success, i.e., championships, or playing for championships.

At Vanderbilt and during his early years at PSU Franklin brought hope and enthusiasm. We needed those things at the time, and I was really happy that we got him when we did. Enthusiasm with optimism was the foundation for Franklin's success. His PSU teams were good because he could recruit some great athletes. He was positive.

But that can take a team only so far. After that the difference is execution -- the chess match per Kiffin's words today. This is where James has come up short. He's not big on the things that create great execution -- discipline, focus, and preparation. Saban stresses those things and expects his team leaders to instill those things on the field. That has been missing. To me there should be a culture change implemented during the offseason. Whatever has been done it has not been enough.
 
this whole season felt like a replay of the mid 2000s. Bradley, Vanderlinden and Johnson keeping the season in tact with a great defense. and clown world on offense
 
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So, were Isaac and Jacobs like 1st quarter guys who only played a few plays? I didn't see them out there. If so, we really had like at least six opt outs or more.

I don't want to hear the word 'culture' from JF until he wins a conf title, and/or makes the playoffs. All week it was the arrogant garbage how our program doesn't really have many opt outs and guys don't really do that here. What word salad nonsense.
 
So, were Isaac and Jacobs like 1st quarter guys who only played a few plays? I didn't see them out there. If so, we really had like at least six opt outs or more.

I don't want to hear the word 'culture' from JF until he wins a conf title, and/or makes the playoffs. All week it was the arrogant garbage how our program doesn't really have many opt outs and guys don't really do that here. What word salad nonsense.
And Theo. Pretty sure he was out after 1.
Im.finr with it but pretending we're better is funny
 
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Watch how Carson Beck (also a 1st year starter like Allar) delivers a football. Precise with a cannon, great hip turn and footwork in the pocket. Yes, he has flaws...but he is at a program that expects championships. Or Fifita from Arizona...dude is 5'11'' and just dominated this year with a coach who is an offensive guy in Jedd Fisch. So enough with the first year starter nonsense about Drew.
 
I don't believe he's a problem
I believe the scheme and players around him are the problem
Allar is better than Beau. If we can go get Fifita then do it otherwise he's our best QB by far.

Allar has issues. I'd probably call it 1/3 each between scheme, players, and Allar himself. He's so inconsistent except for his touch, which tends to be bad always.

AK is going to have his hands full. The offense has looked the same since '16 regardless of QB, RB, WR. It seems that between tendency and formation we are not tough to defend even when we have weapons.
 
Ok, this apparently is a real quote from today's post game presser....I mean I can't believe it is, but it is.

"Just too many moving parts with the staff and with the players against a good team. Too many moving parts staff and players to have the type of success that we wanted to have today."
 
Allar has issues. I'd probably call it 1/3 each between scheme, players, and Allar himself. He's so inconsistent except for his touch, which tends to be bad always.

AK is going to have his hands full. The offense has looked the same since '16 regardless of QB, RB, WR. It seems that between tendency and formation we are not tough to defend even when we have weapons.
Did I read somewhere that he used to be play linebacker? Maybe years ago then decided to gove QB a try?
 
Ok, this apparently is a real quote from today's post game presser....I mean I can't believe it is, but it is.

"Just too many moving parts with the staff and with the players against a good team. Too many moving parts staff and players to have the type of success that we wanted to have today."

There are reasons and then there are excuses. This is an excuse.
 
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I don't think anybody disagrees with that if.

We need a QB who can make a play without those things, tho.

See?
We shouldn't. If you rely on broken plays to win you're never going to truly contend.
Allar can create plays with his feet--even the long catch and run by Warren was a broken play but we can't rely on those. We need better playmakers and when that happens no one will complain about Allar
The problem is some idiots were claiming he was better than Collins 2 starts into his career. People aren't realistic. They're overly criticial or praise to heavily.
Allar needs to improve, as do all QBS, but he's not the main problem. Beau isn't the answer.
 
Ok, this apparently is a real quote from today's post game presser....I mean I can't believe it is, but it is.

"Just too many moving parts with the staff and with the players against a good team. Too many moving parts staff and players to have the type of success that we wanted to have today."
like firing the OC mid season, replacing him with a guy from Kansas, then passing over the entire defensive staff who got you here to hire a washed up HC from the the worst B1G program of them all.
 
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Ok, this apparently is a real quote from today's post game presser....I mean I can't believe it is, but it is.

"Just too many moving parts with the staff and with the players against a good team. Too many moving parts staff and players to have the type of success that we wanted to have today."
He would have been better off saying the outcome isn't as important and the development
 
On the bright side, we’re going to grill some nice steaks tonight, open a good bottle of wine and enjoy the rest of the weekend.
I still like to watch PSU football, but my investment is nowhere close to what it was a few years ago. I won’t lose a wink of sleep over this game or this season.

True. I feel the same and that attitude spreading should worry Kraft greatly given his spending plans for the stadium et al.
 
Ok, this apparently is a real quote from today's post game presser....I mean I can't believe it is, but it is.

"Just too many moving parts with the staff and with the players against a good team. Too many moving parts staff and players to have the type of success that we wanted to have today."
I'm convinced that when Franklin is standing on the sideline during games, seemingly doing nothing, he is crafting his idiotic responses (excuses) for how terrible his predictable offense just performed. smh
 
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He is Hackenberg all over again. Please Franklin stop recruiting these pro style QBs. Our best teams over the past 20 years have dual treat talent. Robinson, Clark, McSorley, whereas Hackenberg, Clifford, Allar just don't get it done. They are stiff with one skill. A strong arm. But they do not have any moxie!
Not a difference between Allar and Clifford. Scary and disappointing. In fact Clifford probably the better QB through one year as a starter.
 
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True. I feel the same and that attitude spreading should worry Kraft greatly given his spending plans for the stadium et al.
any AD who wants to spend hundreds of millions on any stadium is foolish. with NIL plus the wide open transfer rules and soon-to-be unstable mega conferences, college football is on a defined path to irrelevance
 
Ok, this apparently is a real quote from today's post game presser....I mean I can't believe it is, but it is.

"Just too many moving parts with the staff and with the players against a good team. Too many moving parts staff and players to have the type of success that we wanted to have today."

But it's true. What's wrong with speaking the truth?

Yurcich he fired, but do we think him being there helps today? That's a move for '24.

Diaz got hired by Duke. What can you do about that?

Defense- King, Dixon, Chop don't play. Issac and Jacobs played 25% or less. Carter got hurt. Kobe was dinged. They were tasked with stopping a very good Ole Miss offense without half our starters. That's just a bad combo. Watch the film from OSU and Michigan. Miller and Tracy didn't have more than 15 snaps on defense.

Offense- it stunk all year. Why was it supposed to get better today? Total overhaul coming, but you weren't seeing it today. Best thing I saw was Singleton looked great today.

I know you are probably ready to fire Franklin, but there is nothing wrong with what he said here.
 
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We shouldn't. If you rely on broken plays to win you're never going to truly contend.
Allar can create plays with his feet--even the long catch and run by Warren was a broken play but we can't rely on those. We need better playmakers and when that happens no one will complain about Allar
The problem is some idiots were claiming he was better than Collins 2 starts into his career. People aren't realistic. They're overly criticial or praise to heavily.
Allar needs to improve, as do all QBS, but he's not the main problem. Beau isn't the answer.
The other guy is going to try to break every one of your plays.

So, you better have somebody who can beat that.
 
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First it was facilities, then single dorms, then more money for assistants, then more grad assistants, then alignment with the prez and AD. Is there anything else we need? I guess JF will let us know what more is needed to not have a soft team mentally, physically, and that aren't annual pretenders and frauds.
 
any AD who wants to spend hundreds of millions on any stadium is foolish. with NIL plus the wide open transfer rules and soon-to-be unstable mega conferences, college football is on a defined path to irrelevance
I think it already is irrelevant.
 
First it was facilities, then single dorms, then more money for assistants, then more grad assistants, then alignment with the prez and AD. Is there anything else we need? I guess JF will let us know what more is needed to not have a soft team mentally, physically, and that aren't annual pretenders and frauds.
i miss the days when it was the weight lifting machines
 
But it's true. What's wrong with speaking the truth?

Yurcich he fired, but do we think him being there helps today? That's a move for '24.

Diaz got hired by Duke. What can you do about that?

Defense- King, Dixon, Chop don't play. Issac and Jacobs played 25% or less. Carter got hurt. Kobe was dinged. They were tasked with stopping a very good Ole Miss offense without half our starters. That's just a bad combo. Watch the film from OSU and Michigan. Miller and Tracy didn't have more than 15 snaps on defense.

Offense- it stunk all year. Why was it supposed to get better today? Total overhaul coming, but you weren't seeing it today. Best thing I saw was Singleton looked great today.

I know you are probably ready to fire Franklin, but there is nothing wrong with what he said here.
Then he shouldn't be waxing all week how great the culture is and how there will be minimal opt outs, and the other guys have an agreed upon plan and will play in the game. Sorry, playing 4 plays doesn't count. It's word salad garbage this whole 'culture' stuff and 'winning is hard...we need to appreciate it' nonsense. Get real. If you aren't player led at as a team, there is no leadership
 
We shouldn't. If you rely on broken plays to win you're never going to truly contend.
Allar can create plays with his feet--even the long catch and run by Warren was a broken play but we can't rely on those. We need better playmakers and when that happens no one will complain about Allar
The problem is some idiots were claiming he was better than Collins 2 starts into his career. People aren't realistic. They're overly criticial or praise to heavily.
Allar needs to improve, as do all QBS, but he's not the main problem. Beau isn't the answer.
And, I agree about the overhype part.

I know nothing about coaching a QB.

Nevertheless, all that film that shows here just has not impressed me.......from the recruiting to the all the passes in the game clips.
 
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