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I'd have to think Arya plays a part in Dany's death before she goes off to settle with Gendry.

Maybe Dany torches Sansa for giving her advice meant to slow down Dany's march towards Kings Landing. Did Dany's armies look like they needed resting after the way they slaughtered everyone? Sure, the dragon helped, but they still annihilated everyone they came against. Dany doesn't like betrayals.
 
I think it would have been better and more believable if Dany's breakdown was more nuanced. If, after the bells rang, Dany still flew the dragon to the Red Keep and torched Cersei and everyone in the Red Keep, it would have been a more believable and nuanced approach to Dany's breakdown. I simply do not believe it was in Dany's character to torch hundreds of thousands of women and children who had done nothing to her whatsoever.

Right- torching the Red Keep would have made total sense. But laying waste to the city and innocent families made no sense, other than in the course of 20 minutes the show wanted you to go from liking Dany after 6 years of character development, to absolutely hating her.
 
I think you laid out the logic behind her breakdown as well as it can be laid out. I am still finding it hard to buy that this person who has spent her entire life (and up until the last episode) standing for the weak all of the sudden decides to unnecessarily kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people who have done nothing to her.

The episode did draw out emotions as the series has all along. I started out thinking yes, yes, as she took out the iron fleet and the Golden company, but then it quickly turned to, no stop!, when she kept going after innocent people after the bells started ringing. I was kind of numb at the end of the episode.
 
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So Dany with pretty much takes down Kings Landing single handed with one dragon. Makes you wonder why she couldn't bring down any other kingdom on her own with three.

Because she listened to her advisors telling her not to risk civilian casualties.
 
Question, if Jon was riding Drogon and did what Dany did, would he be derided as being "mad"? I suspect he'd be hailed as the hero of the Battle of King's Landing. She's most likely correct that her only option is to rule out of fear.

She set an ultimatum, and followed through. Total war. People of Kings Landing may realize Cersei was to blame. Looking at historical precedent, survivors of the Dresden and Hiroshima bombings, did they blame the Allies, or their respective leadership? I would say for many it was the latter.
 
Maybe Dany torches Sansa for giving her advice meant to slow down Dany's march towards Kings Landing. Did Dany's armies look like they needed resting after the way they slaughtered everyone? Sure, the dragon helped, but they still annihilated everyone they came against. Dany doesn't like betrayals.
Does seem like Sansa is going to take some heat from Dany.
My take: Dany tries to torch Jon for treason. Jon, being Targaryean survives the flames and in doing so, proves his claim to the throne.
 
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I keep waiting for this to get better, but it's just not going to happen. My only consolation is that my expectations are so low, the last episode will probably be par for the course. I am sure the writers care, but with a massive budget and more time than prior seasons to get this right, I can't believe this is the best we could come up with.
 
If you love death and destruction then the episode was awesome. Dany going bat sh** crazy is too much like Anakin Skywalker turning to the dark side for me. It doesn't make much sense, but everyone saw this coming. Too many clues leading up to this episode to think otherwise. I was never a big fan of the Dany storyline and could care less if she ends up on the throne, but how her character did a complete nose dive is frustrating for me. The same with Jaime. Bronn basically tells him Cersei put a bounty on his head yet he goes and tries to save her after he risks his life fighting the army of the dead while she sits in Kings Landing doing nothing. Minus a few episodes seasons 7-8 have been huge downers for me. Are we ever going to find out the identity of the Night King? What in the hell is Bran good for?
 
I don't think it's going to take any convincing of Jon. He and Tyrion just had to witness that Varys was right, and they allowed it to happen. Just as Dany told Jon he's as responsible for Varys death as her, he knows he's just as responsible for what happened to everyone in Kings Landing as her.

THIS^^^ His and Arya's experiences will finally convince him it doesn't matter what he wants, just like when he became Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, then quadrupled its power by merging forces with the Free Folk, then was murdered by his own people. Then returned, with a less naiive mind for maintaining control.

Having her snap (just like Greyworm just went back to full militant after he was partially humanized by his "girlfriend") seems more in line with his storytelling, from what I've seen.

In S8; E4 everyone returned to home base and went back to who they were from the start.

I believe she felt the need to torch the city because it’s the only way to get the people of Westoros to accept her as queen. She knew that they didn’t love her, so they had to fear her.
Another prophecy is about being on guard against a perfumed seneschal, an obvious reference to Varys. The only reason she needed to fear him was if she did exactly what she ended up doing. Vary’s letters in the beginning scene will/should be relevant in the final episode.

Definitely. Seneschal has several definitions. Perfumed-Seneschal may have been Varys. But I think more likely its Sansa, who's already done more to undermine Dany in Westeros than anyone (except now maybe Dany). Sansa's role may be political only, but there's also a possible opportunity for Faceless Arya since Sansa doesn't know how to use a dagger. ;-)

Some additional thoughts: Jon finally getting that he doesn't have a choice. It's rule or continue to allow the suffering by a usurper, which is what Dany now knows she is (part of her snapping?). The only way she can avoid that was if they'd have ruled together. He didn't reject her as Queen. He rejected her as a lover, so wife and Queen wasn't an option. But he can't become king by killing Dany himself, or by his sister killing Dany (unless she looks like someone else). "The next time Tyrion fails her will be the last" may have been foreshadowing. Dany doesn't know about Jaime escaping. So while he failed her, he's still hand, can get close and returns to being the most dangerous person on the show to underestimate. He's my plan B as the second king/queenslayer after some form of Arya. But Arya can't do it as Tyrion since he's too small.

Whoever referenced Revelations 6:8 may have been onto something. This is the sort of detail that GRRM has loved playing with. The pale horse... she now rides is ridden by Death, which is the many-faced god, the weirwood face of the Old Gods and the Stranger of the New Gods (the Seven). Combine that with the faceless men being based on the ancient Islamic Order of Assassins. And Hell follows. Seems all roads to the end lead through Arya.

The Dothraki will have to go. They're conquerers who rape and pillage, not a ruling army. The Unsullied could make a good ruling army, if now crazed Grey Worm gets it. who knows which way they go. Remember Jorah's point about the Unsullied being the only ones who can beat the Dothraki? Or Drogon could do it. What if Arya as a faceless Dothraki leads an attack v. the Unsullied, or kills Dany publicly leading to a battle where Drogon wipes some or all them out? She has got a pale horse, rises from the ashes and talk about hell following her.

Then there's Bronn, who had no reason to return,except for his handful of scenes: receiving a huge crossbow, stupidly bargaining for Highgarden and reminding the hookers he nearly killed a dragon. Bronn may be a good candidate to kill Drogon, or maybe faceless Arya acting as Dany to get close.

Then there's who Varys could have been writing to. Doubtful he was just spreading the word. If there's another huge battle, maybe he was building an army to support Jon if the fear became reality (which it now has). Maybe Yaara and her ships carry the largest army(ies) outside of the unsullied and Dothraki, headed by a Jon loyalist-Torrmund and/or Brienne/sansa and Northerners fighting for their King, Jon. And all this ties into uniting the 7 kingdoms, all uniting to topple the new mad tyrant and/or her armies. Varys also seemed to be plotting an assasination by poison on Dany (who wasn't eating) when discussing with the little girl from the kitchen. But she might be dead by now.

Some or none of this might work, but there are a lot of loose ends to tie up. Just thinking how they might come together, other than through silly "where they are now" snippets at the end.
 
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If you love death and destruction then the episode was awesome. Dany going bat sh** crazy is too much like Anakin Skywalker turning to the dark side for me. It doesn't make much sense, but everyone saw this coming. Too many clues leading up to this episode to think otherwise. I was never a big fan of the Dany storyline and could care less if she ends up on the throne, but how her character did a complete nose dive is frustrating for me. The same with Jaime. Bronn basically tells him Cersei put a bounty on his head yet he goes and tries to save her after he risks his life fighting the army of the dead while she sits in Kings Landing doing nothing. Minus a few episodes seasons 7-8 have been huge downers for me. Are we ever going to find out the identity of the Night King? What in the hell is Bran good for?

Who the Night King is isn't really important IMO - he's not in the books. What he represented was more important.

Jaime's actions were frustrating but consistent (mostly). Nearly everything he's ever done has been for Cersei.
 
I also agree about BB being over-rated. Not to hi-jack the thread, but I've tried numerous times to get "hooked" on BB with a binge watch and I can never get past about half-way of season 2.....

But that's another thread.

RE: Dany's downfall. I am not as skeptical of others. I think it's been building. I think when you add up everything she has seen and gone thru over the last 8 years, I think the news that the people closest to her are plotting against her, was enough to make her snap. Remember, in 8 years she has seen the worst of people. She originally sold by her brother as a sex slave to Drogo, but that changed when she actually fell in love with him. She freed slaves only to have them come to her and tell her that they actually preferred being slaves and her freeing them made things worse. She saw slave owners. She did free the unsullied, but there is the human element of how the unsullied actually became "unsullied". She thought all was good with Jon and going up to help the North in a fight for good a fight for life, and she experiences catty distrust from Sansa Stark. She sees two of her children/dragons killed while trying to do what was right in a fight to help people. ...... I looked at her going crazy as FINALLY snapping. I thought that scene last night was great when she was sitting on top of DROGON and the bell was going off. What I took from that was that when she heard the bells chiming she did not hear bells declaring peace and surrender, but she associated those bells with another plot of where people she trusted schemed around her back. I think those bells where the trigger that set off 7-8 years of built up crazy.

I agree with you. I think the seeds of Dany's downfall have been planted since the first season and I didn't think her madness was out of character. I do think they quickly ratcheted up her downfall this season. I think they were very slowly planting the seeds and showing elements of her potential ruthlessness in seasons 1 - 7 (with her proclivity towards vengeance against the witch (burning her alive), the slavers, Xaro Daxos (locking him in a vault alive), the Tarlys (burning them alive), etc.). But the first 4 episodes of season 8 quickly escalated her breaking point from about a 5 to an 8 and then she went from an 8 to an 11 in the last episode. So, while I think the transformation was true to her character, I can see why people think it wasn't sufficiently gradual.
 
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I agree with you. I think the seeds of Dany's downfall have been planted since the first season and I didn't think her madness was out of character. I do think they quickly ratcheted up her downfall this season. I think they were very slowly planting the seeds and showing elements of her potential ruthlessness in seasons 1 - 7 (with her proclivity towards vengeance against the witch (burning her alive), the slavers, Xaro Daxos (locking him in a vault alive), the Tarlys (burning them alive), etc.). But the first 4 episodes of season 8 quickly escalated her breaking point from about a 5 to an 8 and then she went from an 8 to an 11 in the last episode. So, while I think the transformation was true to her character, I can see why people think it wasn't sufficiently gradual.

Yeah, but the ruthlessness was always in an effort for some greater good (save the couple of personal revenge examples). I get they didn't have a lot of time and did a pretty good job with setting the stage for her transition, but it took a lot to finally break her. Now, she's doing what Olenna Tyrell told her some time ago - ignore men, be a dragon.
 
I think you laid out the logic behind her breakdown as well as it can be laid out. I am still finding it hard to buy that this person who has spent her entire life (and up until the last episode) standing for the weak all of the sudden decides to unnecessarily kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people who have done nothing to her.

I think you can only blame the real world we live in and Martin for the "sudden" turn by Dany. Had Martin fleshed out the books instead of just his outline and had the actors/actresses not had lives that they wanted to get on living, we probably would have had multiple more seasons and it would have played out the same- but slower and more believable. We would have seen Dany's descent into madness because we would have had the same level of detail that we grew accustomed to over the first 5- 5 1/2 seasons. But since they had to cram it all in and rush, it feels "fake" or out of sorts.

Her going mad does bring it back to a neat full circle of where we the viewers were introduced to the show.. with the history of the mad king wanting to burn it all. All in all, it has been a great ride. Just wish they did not rush the last two seasons.
 
I think you can only blame the real world we live in and Martin for the "sudden" turn by Dany. Had Martin fleshed out the books instead of just his outline and had the actors/actresses not had lives that they wanted to get on living, we probably would have had multiple more seasons and it would have played out the same- but slower and more believable. We would have seen Dany's descent into madness because we would have had the same level of detail that we grew accustomed to over the first 5- 5 1/2 years. But since the had to cram it all in and rush, it feels "fake" or out of sorts.

Her going mad does bring it back to a neat full circle of where we the viewers were introduced to the show.. with the history of the mad king wanting to burn it all. All in all, it has been a great ride. Just wish they did not rush the last two seasons.

Agree, but I think the term 'mad' is being misused here. Robert's Rebellion was carried out by Robert, Ned, and Tywin and thousands of innocents were killed on purpose. No one calls them 'mad'.
 
If you love death and destruction then the episode was awesome. Dany going bat sh** crazy is too much like Anakin Skywalker turning to the dark side for me. It doesn't make much sense, but everyone saw this coming. Too many clues leading up to this episode to think otherwise. I was never a big fan of the Dany storyline and could care less if she ends up on the throne, but how her character did a complete nose dive is frustrating for me. The same with Jaime. Bronn basically tells him Cersei put a bounty on his head yet he goes and tries to save her after he risks his life fighting the army of the dead while she sits in Kings Landing doing nothing. Minus a few episodes seasons 7-8 have been huge downers for me. Are we ever going to find out the identity of the Night King? What in the hell is Bran good for?
Who knows. So much detail and so much storyline being blown through....

If this doesn't end with Crazed Dany atop the Iron Throne and the Starks on/over the ropes, it's possible Bran (who "now lives mostly in the past") could give lots of history lessons and basically narrate the history of the Targ conqueror, the Mad Targ ruler, the Rebellion (Robert's) and helps pull together the whole finale uniting the 7 kingdoms under a just and rightful ruler.

I don't have a problem with Dany's story line (or really any of these story lines) as much as the way they're going about wrapping this whole thing up. It's so compressed that moves that may make sense over time just don't make sense at all. It went from evolving perspective drama with amazing character and plot development to blockbuster action movie with minimal character and plot development.

and now it's just a few thousand permutations of what could possibly pull all this together in 1.5 hours or less.
 
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Yeah, but the ruthlessness was always in an effort for some greater good (save the couple of personal revenge examples). I get they didn't have a lot of time and did a pretty good job with setting the stage for her transition, but it took a lot to finally break her. Now, she's doing what Olenna Tyrell told her some time ago - ignore men, be a dragon.

I think there are many examples (beyond the greater good), that show her ruthlessness. In addition to some of the examples above (the Tarlys, Xaro Daxos), after she kills the witch, she threatens to kill anyone who defies her, when she marches on Qarth and they refuse to let her in, I think she threatens to burn cities to the ground with her dragons, I think there are probably several examples where she says she will take what's rightfully hers with "fire and blood," etc. Dany was never the perfect heroine. Now with that said, those sprinkling of clues over the first 7 seasons certainly escalated quickly this season.
 
Agree, but I think the term 'mad' is being misused here. Robert's Rebellion was carried out by Robert, Ned, and Tywin and thousands of innocents were killed on purpose. No one calls them 'mad'.

Killed on purpose... for a purpose. There was no purpose to Dany torching all of King's Landing. The bells had rung, the war was won. In real life, thousands of innocents have died in every great war. But there is a difference (to me at least) in dropping a bomb to end a war (purpose) and putting people in a gas chamber just to exterminate them (mad). But, I have no qualms about last night. Even if it lets me down at the end (it has not), it's been such an entertaining ride for a decade that I will still be happy.
 
So, if Dany and Jon die, who has the best claim to the throne? Gendry Barratheon. With Arya taking some advice from Clegane about revenge and what it does to someone, she just might reconsider her future with Gendry. Then Robert gets his wish about his and the Stark family ruling.


that would almost be comical to end it like that. Everyone would be PO'ed probably
 
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At the end of Episode 4, Missandei is executed, and Tyrion turns and watches a furious Dany walk back to her unsullied guard.

Then, Episode 5 starts off with Dany and everyone back at Dragonstone.

How did that happen?

Great input by the way. I enjoy reading these posts.
 
Who the Night King is isn't really important IMO - he's not in the books. What he represented was more important.

Jaime's actions were frustrating but consistent (mostly). Nearly everything he's ever done has been for Cersei.
He was a Targ with a penchant for ruling and/or wipe everyone out, and in a sense uniting people for or against. Like Targs seem to. That's all that was important.

Agree. I think Jamie was entirely consistent. The outlier was the silly 5 minutes of love for Brienne. Perfect example of how the directors' rushing things led to subtraction by addition. They should have just left the Brienne thing out and sent him back to KL after fighting v. EVERYONE'S enemy.
 
I keep waiting for this to get better, but it's just not going to happen. My only consolation is that my expectations are so low, the last episode will probably be par for the course. I am sure the writers care, but with a massive budget and more time than prior seasons to get this right, I can't believe this is the best we could come up with.


Thats how I felt this season. I did like episode 2 very much but outside of that I'm left thinking... Really? Two years and this is what you came up with?
 
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He was a Targ with a penchant for ruling and/or wipe everyone out, and in a sense uniting people for or against. Like Targs seem to. That's all that was important.

Agree. I think Jamie was entirely consistent. The outlier was the silly 5 minutes of love for Brienne. Perfect example of how the directors' rushing things led to subtraction by addition. They should have just left the Brienne thing out and sent him back to KL after fighting v. EVERYONE'S enemy.

When/where is it established that the Night King is a Targ? Was it on the show? Again, he's not in the books, so not much opportunity to build his lore with everything else going on.

I will add this shot of Arya from last night's episode was stunning....

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So was Varys trying to poisen Danny? The little girl says to him "she's still not eating" then mentions how the guards are watching her. He then says something like we will try again at supper and he tells her remember the greater the risk the greater the reward.
 
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Who the Night King is isn't really important IMO - he's not in the books. What he represented was more important.

Jaime's actions were frustrating but consistent (mostly). Nearly everything he's ever done has been for Cersei.

He was a Targ with a penchant for ruling and/or wipe everyone out, and in a sense uniting people for or against. Like Targs seem to. That's all that was important.

Agree. I think Jamie was entirely consistent. The outlier was the silly 5 minutes of love for Brienne. Perfect example of how the directors' rushing things led to subtraction by addition. They should have just left the Brienne thing out and sent him back to KL after fighting v. EVERYONE'S enemy.

People can like or dislike Jaime's arc; it's all opinion. However, to think he broke his profile is inaccurate. Did he bed Brienne with the intent of running off? Probably not. Did it mean he loved her? No.

Some subconscious part of Jaime went North to preserve Cersei's existence. At least in my interpretation.
 
He was a Targ with a penchant for ruling and/or wipe everyone out, and in a sense uniting people for or against. Like Targs seem to. That's all that was important.

Agree. I think Jamie was entirely consistent. The outlier was the silly 5 minutes of love for Brienne. Perfect example of how the directors' rushing things led to subtraction by addition. They should have just left the Brienne thing out and sent him back to KL after fighting v. EVERYONE'S enemy.

Completely agree on the 5 minutes of love for Brienne. If this was how the story was going to go, then him knighting her out of respect was the perfect way to conclude their relationship. Having them sleep together just made his overnight turn odd. Unless it was, "I can be banging Lena Headey and I just did that instead?...time to head home."
 
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Completely agree on the 5 minutes of love for Brienne. If this was how the story was going to go, then him knighting her out of respect was the perfect way to conclude their relationship. Having them sleep together just made his overnight turn odd. Unless it was, "I can be banging Lena Headey and I just did that instead?...time to head home."

I keep thinking it was a 'sympathy f***', she excused herself after Tyrion's statement about being a virgin and I think Jaime was drunk enough to throw her, ahem, a bone so to speak given he feels relatively worthless otherwise (as a fighter, etc.).
 
When/where is it established that the Night King is a Targ? Was it on the show? Again, he's not in the books, so not much opportunity to build his lore with everything else going on.

I will add this shot of Arya from last night's episode was stunning....

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Can't cite chapter and verse. But from all I've read/seen from other GOT nerds, etc., I think the evidence is compelling and its something the directors ended up taking for granted--maybe the way they did lots of things with this late compression of stories.

Directors made clear only a Targ can ride a dragon in S8 after Jon rode one. It was proof Jon was Targ. How was it not proof that NK was. He rode one in in S7. The Targ connection seems more compelling than his ruling whatever dead he rises. Because the rule is only a Targ can fly one. So only 3 characters can. All Targs.

Couple that with him being an exception to one of the few known rules re: killing the White Walkers. They can be killed by V-steel (dragons are from Valeria), dragon glass (which he was born from, when changed from living human) and fire. I expected that if he was to be torched by a dragon in that battle that he wouldn't be burnt. And that's what happened. Not all Targs can survive fire without being burnt, but only a Targ can do it. ALso ties with what Dany said when her brother was killed by fire/molten gold. A dragon (a Targ) can't be burnt--that was before she went unburnt. Didn't say he wasn't a Targ, but said he wasn't a Dragon, which is a Targ-thing as much as the dire wolves are a Stark thing.

The whole show turns on the Targs and Starks, which seemed clear to me since the beginning. Fire and Ice is Targ and Stark, which was obvious about Jon from the first few books. Of course Ned didn't have a bastard. Also, even the NK's sigil is reminiscent of the Targ symbol, which swirls. And Jon and Dany found the NK's sigil in the caves in Dragonstone (of all places), which is where the Targs were from. Sure, it may have been just a reference to the enemy but I'm comfy the enemy was more related than just some random human tied to a tree and stabbed with dragon-glass.

It's interesting that this is the first time I've questioned it for years. Sorry I can't come up with a better answer if this isn't convincing. Others may have their theories and a simple search will show arguments for/against. But until I see something in GRRM's works that directly contradicts it, I'll continue to take it for granted just like the directors.
 
So was Varys trying to poisen Danny? The little girl says to him "she's still not eating" then mentions how the guards are watching her. He then says something like we will try again at supper and he tells her remember the greater the risk the greater the reward.

I wasn't sure what he was talking about, but that makes sense!
 
Can't cite chapter and verse. But from all I've read/seen from other GOT nerds, etc., I think the evidence is compelling and its something the directors ended up taking for granted--maybe the way they did lots of things with this late compression of stories.

Directors made clear only a Targ can ride a dragon in S8 after Jon rode one. It was proof Jon was Targ. How was it not proof that NK was. He rode one in in S7. The Targ connection seems more compelling than his ruling whatever dead he rises. Because the rule is only a Targ can fly one. So only 3 characters can. All Targs.

Couple that with him being an exception to one of the few known rules re: killing the White Walkers. They can be killed by V-steel (dragons are from Valeria), dragon glass (which he was born from, when changed from living human) and fire. I expected that if he was to be torched by a dragon in that battle that he wouldn't be burnt. And that's what happened. Not all Targs can survive fire without being burnt, but only a Targ can do it. ALso ties with what Dany said when her brother was killed by fire/molten gold. A dragon (a Targ) can't be burnt--that was before she went unburnt. Didn't say he wasn't a Targ, but said he wasn't a Dragon, which is a Targ-thing as much as the dire wolves are a Stark thing.

The whole show turns on the Targs and Starks, which seemed clear to me since the beginning. Fire and Ice is Targ and Stark, which was obvious about Jon from the first few books. Of course Ned didn't have a bastard. Also, even the NK's sigil is reminiscent of the Targ symbol, which swirls. And Jon and Dany found the NK's sigil in the caves in Dragonstone (of all places), which is where the Targs were from. Sure, it may have been just a reference to the enemy but I'm comfy the enemy was more related than just some random human tied to a tree and stabbed with dragon-glass.

It's interesting that this is the first time I've questioned it for years. Sorry I can't come up with a better answer if this isn't convincing. Others may have their theories and a simple search will show arguments for/against. But until I see something in GRRM's works that directly contradicts it, I'll continue to take it for granted just like the directors.

Viserion is a wight when the NK rides him. He has control over wights, proven during the scene during the battle when he telepathically commands them to start throwing their bodies on the fire to put it out.
 
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1. Arya kills Danny... leaves to live her days with Gendry
2. Jon abdicates the throne to Sansa because he never wanted it... goes North of the Wall to live with the free folk... Sansa moves the Iron Throne to Winterfell
3. Tyrion remarries Sansa, relinquishes High Garden to Bronn
4. Brienne remains in Winterfell as Protector of the Queen
5. Yara returns and swears the Iron Fleet into service of the new Queen
6. Dothraki return across the sea
7. Greyworm swears fealty to Sansa
8. Bran becomes a white tree
I think Greyworm kills Jon protecting Dany from him, then Arya kills Greyworm and uses his face to kill Dany. Then Sansa takes the throne with Tyrion as her right hand.
 
Possibilities:

Dany realizes, with horror, that she has become her father, steps aside for Jon and returns to Essos to rule her cities there.

Bran wargs into Drogon and takes out Dany.

Yara picks up a Dornish army on her way to whats left of Kings Landing. More mayhem ensues.

Arya kills Greyworm and uses his face to get close enough to kill Dany.

Speculation is fun,
 
Question, if Jon was riding Drogon and did what Dany did, would he be derided as being "mad"? I suspect he'd be hailed as the hero of the Battle of King's Landing. She's most likely correct that her only option is to rule out of fear.

She set an ultimatum, and followed through. Total war. People of Kings Landing may realize Cersei was to blame. Looking at historical precedent, survivors of the Dresden and Hiroshima bombings, did they blame the Allies, or their respective leadership? I would say for many it was the latter.

I'd agree all the way up till the Lanister army surrendered. But after that, it was just ruthless murderous madness. Jon would not have done that.
 
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At the end of Episode 4, Missandei is executed, and Tyrion turns and watches a furious Dany walk back to her unsullied guard.

Then, Episode 5 starts off with Dany and everyone back at Dragonstone.

How did that happen?

Lots of teleporting. Especially Euron. That guy is everywhere. They killed off so many villains, Euron has had to do the work of 3 or 4 of them. Incredibly busy dude.
 
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