PA Class AAA Finals Thread

[21Guns]

Again, we have ZERO confirmation that it is an ACL. ZERO. Is he injured? Absolutely, and he was not 100 percent. But there is no confirmation of an ACL. Nothing from Iowa, nothing from "Jody", and nothing from his school. Just his friend, who was defending his friend. I am NOT saying Gavin is lying, I am simply saying there is no confirmation.

If it turns out to be an ACL, he could still wrestle next year for Iowa, but the recovery would need to be in the absolute minimum time frame of 9 to 10 months, rather than the full one year time table. He would also need to get the surgery done ASAP, so we will know for a fact, soon enough. If we don't hear anything in the next six weeks, then it was not an ACL.

 

[Lion8286]

They were on the radio after his match. No i didn't know bro....Also said when that kid said 6 days after he tore it he was coming down...Hey credit to both....

DeSanto said he was dropping down in December. Lee injured his knee in February. Don't know how you can state with a straight face that DeSanto announced he was dropping AFTER Lee's injury.

 

[21Guns]

People were cheering because it was insanely exciting and improbable. That's the reality.

People were cheering because Exeter is in district 3, the same district as Hershey, and there was a huge Exeter contingency there.

I fully understand Gavin's anger and the Hawkeye anger however, but it's misplaced here. Now, IF this match was held in Erie, or Altoona, or Scranton, or Philly or Pittsburgh, and that crowd reacted that way, then damn right I would be pissed off.
Hater fans are the worst.

 

[Bob_Anderson]

They were on the radio after his match. No i didn't know bro....Also said when that kid said 6 days after he tore it he was coming down...Hey credit to both....

You just said you knew, bro

"That is what i just posted...I knew he had a torn ACL !!!! Healthy he techs that kid and everyone else....He was winning on 1 leg and almost pulled it off !!!!"

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/pa-class-aaa-finals-thread.169279/page-2#post-2689581

 

[diggerpup]

..... well the same handful of schlubs drove this thread into the gutter.

Good night, all.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

amazing what a nice thread bout the AAA finals has turned into.

 

[matter7172]

I did not go after DeSanto or the fans cheering him. I posted Gavin's tweet because of the ACL. I get that people love a good underdog story. However, a buddy at the tourney said they were jeering Spencer on his way off the mat so maybe that's what Gavin was referring to.

Lee has had his issues in Hershey with his perceived "attitude" during his high school career from what I'm told from someone who attends PA states every year. So he is not, and probably has never been, the darling of the Hershey crowd. As others have said, probably no one in the crowd knew about the ACL injury anyway. So a District 3 kid wins a state title over a perceived unbeatable GOAT in District 3, where a lot of people don't like Lee's attitude for years and what do you think is going to happen? It's not like a mob beat him up.

 

[El-Jefe]

Internet muscles and stench growing strong tonight, for the same reason.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Good Lord, this thread turned into a complete cesspool.

 

[21Guns]

Confirmed: Torn ACL, Link...

http://www.theprogressnews.com/news...cle_22a23b1f-2e41-5622-9a57-9b214e1a5e32.html

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Confirmed: Torn ACL, Link...

http://www.theprogressnews.com/news...cle_22a23b1f-2e41-5622-9a57-9b214e1a5e32.html

It doesn't say whether it was a complete tear or a partial tear though. A complete tear is what is referred to as a "blown-our knee" - has to be surgically repaired. A partial tear does not have the same effect as a complete blowout.

 

[matter7172]

It doesn't say whether it was a complete tear or a partial tear though. A complete tear is what is referred to as a "blown-our knee" - has to be surgically repaired. A partial tear does not have the same effect as a complete blowout.

I have to think it is a partial tear if it is a tear. Sending a kid out to wrestle with a completely torn ACL would be reckless and irresponsible. I wrestled with partially torn ligaments and damaged cartilage and tendons my senior year of high school. Except for forcing me to limit actual wrestling, it wasn't terrible. Did weights, stationary bike and walking/jogging for fitness and wrestled in matches until the end of the season.

 

[21Guns]

It doesn't say whether it was a complete tear or a partial tear though. A complete tear is what is referred to as a "blown-our knee" - has to be surgically repaired. A partial tear does not have the same effect as a complete blowout.

So a partial tear does not require surgery. He'll be good to go for Iowa as a true frosh then.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Wade Schalles here, then Chris Taylor, then Andy.

Carlton Haselrig for me. Was on hand to put the gold medal around my neck after winning the area Junior Olympic tournament. As a kid, it felt like I was being crowned.....

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

So a partial tear does not require surgery. He'll be good to go for Iowa as a true frosh then.

Partial tear may require surgery for best results, but I wouldn't think that you would lose as much strength, mobility or use from a partial tear relative to a complete blow-out though (i.e., they could have easily elected to hold the surgery off a few weeks until after the season).

 

[Cold Smoke]

Not me, but he was my first wrestling hero.

Along with Clyde... me too.

 

[tpnlion]

Guys this is terrible...We want Teasdale and he is pissed because people are cheering for a kid that beat Spencer on a torn ACL....Lets not push Teasdale away from us...Everyone in the world already knows Spencer tech falls this kid or anyone else in the bracket without a torn ACL...Spencer thought he could win his 4th on 1 leg !!!! GIVE THE KID CREDIT EVERYONE AND PLEASE SAY SORRY WE DIDN'T KNOW TO GAVIN !!!!

Really? The guy is going to Iowa. You still pushed the Lee changing his mind agenda months after he signed his LOI, just stop it SPYKER.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Again, Carr was undefeated his sophomore year prior to Green match. Again, Carr would win the US Olympic Trials only a couple months later at the age of 16 (only high schooler in history of world, let alone PA to do it), Carr would go undefeated in his Jr year in PA (including a State Title). Carr would go on to win The Midlands Tournament his Sr year in high school in KY (again, the only high school wrestler in the history of forever to win The Midlands Tournament). Jimmy Carr is without question the greatest high school wrestler in the history of the world, let alone PA - his accomplishments have not been even remotely touched or even approached by any other high school wrestler! Lee has never won a "World Championship", let alone 3 LMFAO! Lee has won "Junior World Titles" which are wildly different and not remotely the same....and BTW, Lee is not even remotely close to being the first high schooler to win a Jr. World Title or even multiple Junior Worlds for that matter (believe Martellar won Jr. Worlds as well as countless other high schoolers).

Green beat the GOAT high school wrestler in the history of the world, not just PA, so "logically-speaking" that makes it the biggest upset ever in PIAA.

BTW, Jimmy Carr didn't just win The Midlands in high school, he was named the OW of the Tournament! Don't believe me, here is a SI article from 1975 talking about Fletcher Carr being named coach at UK and Jimmy Carr enrolling - HERE IS THE HOTLINK. Go to the part where it talks about him not only winning The Midlands as a high school Sr, but defeating an NCAA Champion in the Title Match and being named Outstanding Wrestler for the Tournament as well. Oh yeah, it also talks about how he tied and beat the reigning Olympic Champion, Roman Dmitriyev, in International meets as a Jr in high school after returning from Olympics. Lots of other incredible stories in there too.

Prior to high school, I wrestled a couple summers on a Freestyle team that was coached by the guy they reference in the article, Tom Canavan.

 

[Rhino80]

After last years face mush after the whistle while making a muscle with the other arm , yeah I imagine District 3 fans were happy to see him lose. Believe he stood over too the kid in 2015 and taunted him too. Sometimes Karma is a B.

 

[dmm53]

Watch the match without a dog in the fight. Desanto was pretty dominant despite the score. Took the vast majority of shots. Pushed Lee around and out of bounds. Nearly had him cradled. He was the aggressor and deserved to win. Took Lee down 3 times. Would have taken him down again in OT if it had come to that. Lee is going to go up against men with man muscles and more technique in college. It's much easier to dominate at really low weights. Lee is great, no doubt about it. But I think a healthy Suriano would have pushed him around as well.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

I feel like I'm missing something here. Why risk destroying your knee after a partial acl tear has been diagnosed? I would think future ncaa and world titles would be more important than taking unnecessary risk to win a PA high school championship.

 

[ggcpsu]

I have to think it is a partial tear if it is a tear. Sending a kid out to wrestle with a completely torn ACL would be reckless and irresponsible. I wrestled with partially torn ligaments and damaged cartilage and tendons my senior year of high school. Except for forcing me to limit actual wrestling, it wasn't terrible. Did weights, stationary bike and walking/jogging for fitness and wrestled in matches until the end of the season.

Not sure it it would be that wreckless. I'm no orthopedic surgeon but once it's torn what more damage can you do to it?

 

[ggcpsu]

I feel like I'm missing something here. Why risk destroying your knee after a partial acl tear has been diagnosed? I would think future ncaa and world titles would be more important than taking unnecessary risk to win a PA high school championship.

Lots of people win PA state titles. Two wrestlers of the modern era have EVER been a 4x undefeated champion in PA. It's the pinnacle of the sport of high school wrestling

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Not sure it it would be that wreckless. I'm no orthopedic surgeon but once it's torn what more damage can you do to it?

A partial tear goes to a full tear. The knee becomes unstable and potentially permanent damage could be done.

 

[Callthestall]

People were cheering because Exeter is in district 3, the same district as Hershey, and there was a huge Exeter contingency there.

I fully understand Gavin's anger and the Hawkeye anger however, but it's misplaced here. Now, IF this match was held in Erie, or Altoona, or Scranton, or Philly or Pittsburgh, and that crowd reacted that way, then damn right I would be pissed off.
Hater fans are the worst.

Just remember your hater comment when you post your ill thoughts about Beca wrestlers.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

A partial tear goes to a full tear. The knee becomes unstable and potentially permanent damage could be done.

Assume they put him in the knee brace to support joint and prevent that possibility. Believe they would have kept him off knee completely for like 6 weeks if they were going to try heal it without surgery. But if he's going to have surgery now (which often leads to less scaring and a better longterm result, no?), they probably let him wrestle with the brace.

 

[SRATH]

I had a partial tear........couldn't fathom wrestling or doing anything else. Each one is different.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Is suggesting that he may not wrestle in the Dapper Dan still off limits?

 

[pipe999]

The good news for Penn State is that Wittlake was right there with Labriola at WNO 2016, even though it was a "home" match for Labriola.

And half of BECA's student body (okay, well 30 kids or so) were matside cheering.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Is suggesting that he may not wrestle in the Dapper Dan still off limits?

There is no way Lee wrestles in the Classic now.

 

[Creek Side]

Lee has had his issues in Hershey with his perceived "attitude" during his high school career from what I'm told from someone who attends PA states every year. So he is not, and probably has never been, the darling of the Hershey crowd. As others have said, probably no one in the crowd knew about the ACL injury anyway. So a District 3 kid wins a state title over a perceived unbeatable GOAT in District 3, where a lot of people don't like Lee's attitude for years and what do you think is going to happen? It's not like a mob beat him up.

I haven't like Lee since he went with the title of "Iowa Commit", amongst a few others.

 

[Ja1339]

A few random thoughts:
1. I'm amazed how many incredible wrestlers PA has. Darn impressive.
2. My enjoyment on this board has gone way up since I put some of the crazies on ignore. It's like a mute button.
3. I get Teasdale getting emotional after his buddies loss. But when I grew up, his language would have resulted in soap in the mouth.
4. I was amazed how good Verklereen looked. We were robbed not getting a chance to see him in Hershey last year.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Not completely sold on Verk, needs to improve his mat wrestling or he's going to have problems in college.

 

[caliPSUfan]

Ja - "ignore" has been my friend! Thought it might make things confusing, but it's pretty easy to tell that when someone posts out of frustration and it's disconnected to the thread I'm reading - I just missed something really lame that cluttered up the board for everyone else!

 

[Ja1339]

Agree. Now if only I could put my

Ja - "ignore" has been my friend! Thought it might make things confusing, but it's pretty easy to tell that when someone posts out of frustration and it's disconnected to the thread I'm reading - I just missed something really lame that cluttered up the board for everyone else!

Agree. Now if only I could put my neighbors obnoxious barking dog on ignore the same way. Then life would really be grand!

 

[KidNittany]

Ja - "ignore" has been my friend! Thought it might make things confusing, but it's pretty easy to tell that when someone posts out of frustration and it's disconnected to the thread I'm reading - I just missed something really lame that cluttered up the board for everyone else!

The problem with ignore is you still see peoples' bad posts when you aren't logged in. Quoted posts look weird and out of place too. Otherwise it's great

 

[matter7172]

Not sure it it would be that wreckless. I'm no orthopedic surgeon but once it's torn what more damage can you do to it?

Your knee now lacks the support of the ligament. If it's put under strain, what support that remains is stressed beyond the normal level and much more susceptible to injury. You can wind up destroying everything in the knee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_cruciate_ligament_injury

Most pertinent part:

The term for non-surgical treatment for ACL rupture is "conservative management", and it often includes physical therapy and using a knee brace. Instability associated with ACL deficiency increases the risk of other knee injuries such as a torn meniscus, so sports with cutting and twisting motions are problematic and surgery is often recommended in those circumstances.

Patients who have suffered an ACL injury should be evaluated for other injuries that often occur in combination with an ACL tear and include cartilage/meniscus injuries, bone bruises, PCL tears, posterolateral injuries and collateral ligament injuries.

 

[caliPSUfan]

The problem with ignore is you still see peoples' bad posts when you aren't logged in. Quoted posts look weird and out of place too. Otherwise it's great

I get what you're saying and I agree, but it's still worth it!

There are atleast 21 less reasons that I don't want to drive a spyke through my skull when I visit the boards now!

 

[21Guns]

Just remember your hater comment when you post your ill thoughts about Beca wrestlers.

You are reaching and distorting and you know it. Not once have I even mentioned them by name. It is ALWAYS about the school and the admin and how they cheat, not the kids.....

So, cheap shot by you, and nowhere close to accurate either. Thx for playing.

 

[jschrantz]

I get what you're saying and I agree, but it's still worth it!

There are atleast 21 less reasons that I don't want to drive a spyke through my skull when I visit the boards now!

I put that on ignore too, great decision