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So this is my read a week or so into the season:
Penn State vs Ohio State
125 3 points Ohio
133 toss up
141 3 points Ohio
149 4 points Penn
157 4 points Penn
165 3 points Penn
174 3 points Penn
184 3 points Penn
197 (with Cutch) Toss up lean Ohio
Hvwt 3-4 points Ohio
If Ohio gets both toss ups they finish with 15-16
If PSU get bonus points from Zain and Nolf we finish at 17
Right now I see us winning by a couple points
 
goethe14 said:
There is no way 197 is a toss up, Huge lean for OSU. Als your math is off for PSU.
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197: I don’t know. The match was pretty close last year. It was 7-6 or 8-7 until Cutch took a desperation shot at the end. Wouldn’t say huge lean OSU.

157: Hate to say this but don’t think Nolf will get the tech. Zain’s top game is what helped him tech Micah last year. Idk if takedowns will be enough to do it from Nolf.
 
YoungGunsWC said:
197: I don’t know. The match was pretty close last year. It was 7-6 or 8-7 until Cutch took a desperation shot at the end. Wouldn’t say huge lean OSU.

157: Hate to say this but don’t think Nolf will get the tech. Zain’s top game is what helped him tech Micah last year. Idk if takedowns will be enough to do it from Nolf.
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Until Jordan's knee behaves, I think he'll have gassing issues. Until then, I withhold judgment.
 
YoungGunsWC said:
197: I don’t know. The match was pretty close last year. It was 7-6 or 8-7 until Cutch took a desperation shot at the end. Wouldn’t say huge lean OSU.

157: Hate to say this but don’t think Nolf will get the tech. Zain’s top game is what helped him tech Micah last year. Idk if takedowns will be enough to do it from Nolf.
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For anyone that has ever drilled on those dummies...their dead weight....that is what Nolf will be up against late in 3rd against MJo. Agree it will be hard for him to TF him just because I expect MJo to shut it down to save the team point.

There is nothing from Sundays match that I saw after the first 30 secs to dispute this in my mind.
 
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YoungGunsWC said:
197: I don’t know. The match was pretty close last year. It was 7-6 or 8-7 until Cutch took a desperation shot at the end. Wouldn’t say huge lean OSU.

157: Hate to say this but don’t think Nolf will get the tech. Zain’s top game is what helped him tech Micah last year. Idk if takedowns will be enough to do it from Nolf.
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I think Nolf takes him feet to back at least once if not twice. Nolf allows even less breathers for an opponent than Zain imo. 7 minutes of hell in either case.
 
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YoungGunsWC said:
197: I don’t know. The match was pretty close last year. It was 7-6 or 8-7 until Cutch took a desperation shot at the end. Wouldn’t say huge lean OSU.

157: Hate to say this but don’t think Nolf will get the tech. Zain’s top game is what helped him tech Micah last year. Idk if takedowns will be enough to do it from Nolf.
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Moore wins 100 out of 100 times.
 
LemonPie said:
Moore wins 100 out of 100 times.
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You and your hatred for Cutch for whatever reason is starting to get really annoying lol you act like the guy is the worst wrestler in the world. He’s a damn good wrestler. Look at his loses last year. Yeah his matches were close scoring but I’m sure he and the coaches had their game plan while he was giving up so much weight. He does what he needs to do to win.

If he beat Moore or even won an NCAA title you would find something wrong with it haha

Give it a rest and stop being so negative. If he ends up getting the spot over Cassar will we have to listen to you complain until wrestling season is over? Haha
 
YoungGunsWC said:
197: I don’t know. The match was pretty close last year. It was 7-6 or 8-7 until Cutch took a desperation shot at the end. Wouldn’t say huge lean OSU.

157: Hate to say this but don’t think Nolf will get the tech. Zain’s top game is what helped him tech Micah last year. Idk if takedowns will be enough to do it from Nolf.
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Always just guessing, but Nolf runs circles around Jordan and Jordan will have same glazed look after the Nolf match as he did when he was trying to figure out what Zain hit him with.
 
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PSU - tOSU

125 0-3 DEC tOSU (+2 if NaTo)
133 0-6 DEC tOSU (lean Pletcher but Keener has wrestled him close in past, could win)
141 0-9 DEC tOSU (strong lean McKenna)
149 5-9 TF PSU (the list of wrestlers Zain can't tech is small and doesn't include Hayes)
157 9-9 MD PSU (think Micah can hold off a tech, but wouldn't be surprised at a tech either; conditioning in third period key)
165 12-9 DEC PSU (Cenzo has already decisioned Campbell, no reason to think match doesn't go the same way
174 15-9 DEC PSU (loss to Zahid more likely to take steam out of BoJo than Hall, no reason to think BoJo flips this; plus, with the cards BoJo's been dealt...)
184 18-9 DEC PSU (obviously Myles could take this b/c he's beaten Bo twice, but if Bo stays conservative, he just gets to legs and converts)
197 18-12 DEC tOSU (can't see Moore going wire to wire without losing but I don't see a more complete 197)
285 18-16 MD tOSU (probably plays out similar to last time, it'd be nice to see Nick keep it to a decision)

So if NaTo goes, I see it 18-18. If Keener can beat Pletcher, pressure on the rest of the lineup to bonus eases. Otherwise pressure to bonus will be on 149 > 184. Can see our Bo in a situation requiring him to take risks against Myles. PSU might benefit from drawing on which weight to start, so Snyder isn't put in a position to win dual for team.
 
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I see it (if all healthy):

NATO tech - 5-0 O
Pletcher d - 8-0 O (this is bound to be close, though)
McKenna d - 11-0
Zain tech 11-5 O (he is going to brutalize Hayes - it’s a physical mismatch)
Nolf major 11-9 O (agree above that’s he’s good enough to tech him, but Micah’s going to clam up after gassing; I could see Nolf pinning him after a fake release, though)
Cenzo d 12-11 P (may be toss up if Campbell really is progressing instead of just perhaps catching an unmotivated, sucked out Valencia)
Hall d 15-11 P (Hall is slicker and will be on a mission to show Ryan something after all his Aruba whining)
Bo d 18-11 P
Moore d 18-14 P
Snyder tech 19-18 O (a motivated Snyder goes on warpath)
 
tikk10 said:
PSU - tOSU

125 0-3 DEC tOSU (+2 if NaTo)
133 0-6 DEC tOSU (lean Pletcher but Keener has wrestled him close in past, could win)
141 0-9 DEC tOSU (strong lean McKenna)
149 5-9 TF PSU (the list of wrestlers Zain can't tech is small and doesn't include Hayes)
157 9-9 MD PSU (think Micah can hold off a tech, but wouldn't be surprised at a tech either; conditioning in third period key)
165 12-9 DEC PSU (Cenzo has already decisioned Campbell, no reason to think match doesn't go the same way
174 15-9 DEC PSU (loss to Zahid more likely to take steam out of BoJo than Hall, no reason to think BoJo flips this; plus, with the cards BoJo's been dealt...)
184 18-9 DEC PSU (obviously Myles could take this b/c he's beaten Bo twice, but if Bo stays conservative, he just gets to legs and converts)
197 18-12 DEC tOSU (can't see Moore going wire to wire without losing but I don't see a more complete 197)
285 18-16 MD tOSU (probably plays out similar to last time, it'd be nice to see Nick keep it to a decision)

So if NaTo goes, I see it 18-18. If Keener can beat Pletcher, pressure on the rest of the lineup to bonus eases. Otherwise pressure to bonus will be on 149 > 184. Can see our Bo in a situation requiring him to take risks against Myles. PSU might benefit from drawing on which weight to start, so Snyder isn't put in a position to win dual for team.
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Agree with you on drawing a weight to start.
 
I'll play along...
25 - Nato tech. tOSU 5-0
33 - Pletcher dec. tOSU 8-0
41 - McKenna dec. tOSU 11-0
49 - Zain tech - Hayes will be annihilated. tOSU 11-5
57 - Nolf tech - Micah can't clam up because Nolf will just let him up and take him down ad nauseum.
tOSU 11-10
65 - Cenzo major. Campbell is just not in his class. PSU 14-11
74 - Hall dec. His skillset will increase the separation this year. PSU 17-11
84 - Bo dec. This could easily be a major. Gone are the days that Bo loses to MM. PSU 20-11
97 - Moore dec. PSU 20-14
HW - Snyder major. PSU 20-18.

WE ARE!!!
 
By the beginning of February 133 will be a Penn State lean, 141 one way or another will be close to a toss-up and one of the matches everybody will be excited to see will be 197.
 
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nitlion6 said:
By the beginning of February 133 will be a Penn State lean, 141 one way or another will be close to a toss-up and one of the matches everybody will be excited to see will be 197.
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Not sure about 197, but I kind of agree with you on the rest despite my picks. I like what I see out of Keener and McKenna seems a little off. Would love to see Lee-McKenna
 
dunkej01 said:
For anyone that has ever drilled on those dummies...their dead weight....that is what Nolf will be up against late in 3rd against MJo. Agree it will be hard for him to TF him just because I expect MJo to shut it down to save the team point.

There is nothing from Sundays match that I saw after the first 30 secs to dispute this in my mind.
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Might be much earlier. Shields' Weekend with Bernie started in the 1st.
 
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I had the fortune of watching the tOSU squad open the season. It was early but it was also informative because it was matside at an open.

125 - PSU gets a win here if no Tomasello, and I've been on here over and over saying that Schnupp is going to have a hard time getting a B1G win. Unless Mead gets a lot better - which could happen given he's a trFR. But at this time I would favor Schnupp.

133 - Pletcher should be favored, but this will be one that PSU can win if it bounces their way.

141 - McKenna solidly over Cortez, less solidly over Lee at that point in the season. Dec only here no matter who.

149 - This is a fall. No ifs ands or buts. Don't care if it's 2-0 after 1. Mark down fall. Not very impressed with Hayes in terms of being top 5 in the country after seeing him in person. AA, yeah, probably, maybe, or could even get knocked off.

157 - Fall. Micah is small. Nolf is big. Maybe Micah gets a TD or something in the first period but this is a big win.

165 - Campbell is a horse. Solid win for Joseph, but just a decision. I don't think this is close to being a major and in fact wouldn't surprise me if it was close late.

174 - Bo better have been ill or just disinterested the weekend I saw him or Mark will swamp him. Zahid putting it to him was no surprise.

184 - Myles is really good, but Bo is 4 or 5 and 2 against him. Bo DEC

197 - can't see any of our guys beating Moore. Cutch may be able to keep it close but no shot at winning unless he successfully defends the whole match without getting called for stalling and then steals it late. Rasheed too small. Cassar may be the correct matchup but he looks smaller than Moore (maybe I'm off on this)

285 - Snyder by MD. No Tech.
 
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tikk10 said:
PSU - tOSU

125 0-3 DEC tOSU (+2 if NaTo)
133 0-6 DEC tOSU (lean Pletcher but Keener has wrestled him close in past, could win)
141 0-9 DEC tOSU (strong lean McKenna)
149 5-9 TF PSU (the list of wrestlers Zain can't tech is small and doesn't include Hayes)
157 9-9 MD PSU (think Micah can hold off a tech, but wouldn't be surprised at a tech either; conditioning in third period key)
165 12-9 DEC PSU (Cenzo has already decisioned Campbell, no reason to think match doesn't go the same way
174 15-9 DEC PSU (loss to Zahid more likely to take steam out of BoJo than Hall, no reason to think BoJo flips this; plus, with the cards BoJo's been dealt...)
184 18-9 DEC PSU (obviously Myles could take this b/c he's beaten Bo twice, but if Bo stays conservative, he just gets to legs and converts)
197 18-12 DEC tOSU (can't see Moore going wire to wire without losing but I don't see a more complete 197)
285 18-16 MD tOSU (probably plays out similar to last time, it'd be nice to see Nick keep it to a decision)

So if NaTo goes, I see it 18-18. If Keener can beat Pletcher, pressure on the rest of the lineup to bonus eases. Otherwise pressure to bonus will be on 149 > 184. Can see our Bo in a situation requiring him to take risks against Myles. PSU might benefit from drawing on which weight to start, so Snyder isn't put in a position to win dual for team.
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Agreed Snyder in a do or die situation is just scary. Hall seemed to shrug off his loss will come out swinging against BoJo. Not a nay sayer concerning Cutch. Its lean tOSU but it's Cutch's last year he may have a good night.
 
nitlion6 said:
Always just guessing, but Nolf runs circles around Jordan and Jordan will have same glazed look after the Nolf match as he did when he was trying to figure out what Zain hit him with.
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If Jordan's knee is taped, it will be an ugly, ugly match for him. If it isn't taped, they will need to have a surgeon ride along on the team bus.

No way Jordan keeps up with Nolf's creative misdirection.
 
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dicemen99 said:
149 - This is a fall. No ifs ands or buts. Don't care if it's 2-0 after 1. Mark down fall. Not very impressed with Hayes in terms of being top 5 in the country after seeing him in person. AA, yeah, probably, maybe, or could even get knocked off.
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Seriously. Hayes couldn't get out from under McKenna. Against Zain, the ref slapping the mat might be a mercy killing.
 
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YoungGunsWC said:
You and your hatred for Cutch for whatever reason is starting to get really annoying lol you act like the guy is the worst wrestler in the world. He’s a damn good wrestler. Look at his loses last year. Yeah his matches were close scoring but I’m sure he and the coaches had their game plan while he was giving up so much weight. He does what he needs to do to win.

If he beat Moore or even won an NCAA title you would find something wrong with it haha

Give it a rest and stop being so negative. If he ends up getting the spot over Cassar will we have to listen to you complain until wrestling season is over? Haha
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No, I wouldn't complain too much. I think Cutch should AA and Cassar/Rasheed would still get a shot next year. I do think Cutch is a bit overrated by some, but he's not in Morelli territory for me.
 
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PSUisawesome said:
So this is my read a week or so into the season:
Penn State vs Ohio State
125 3 points Ohio
133 toss up
141 3 points Ohio
149 4 points Penn
157 4 points Penn
165 3 points Penn
174 3 points Penn
184 3 points Penn
197 (with Cutch) Toss up lean Ohio
Hvwt 3-4 points Ohio
If Ohio gets both toss ups they finish with 15-16
If PSU get bonus points from Zain and Nolf we finish at 17
Right now I see us winning by a couple points
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197 Is not a toss up... u got a wrestler who is decent fav to win the title vs wrestler who is fighting for starting spot....
 
KidDagger said:
197 Is not a toss up... u got a wrestler who is decent fav to win the title vs wrestler who is fighting for starting spot....
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Cause that makes sense right? Lol

So you are saying Cassar doesn’t have a chance either cause he is fighting for his starting spot too? Cassar def would have a shot if he could get to his offense and stop Moore’s.

P.S. Rutgers suck
 
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I'm looking for Nevills to take his shot by taking top when it his option. Snyder is as heavy a favorite as you will find but hey.....gotta believe anything is possible:eek:

Other than that match, what i saw of them against ASU, the "nuts" have some question marks floating around their room too!

Regarding "97, 'Cutch can hang with anyone who doesn't have a spladdle and Cassar can take anyone down. The question is does more have a top game and does Cassar have a gas tank?
 
125- 5-0 (Nato wrestling)
133- 5-3 (close match)
141- 8-3 (maybe Mckenna majors Cortez?)
149- 8-9 (Zain will get the pin)
157- 8-14 (Nolf will tech Micah)
165- 8-17 (VJ handled him last year, but what he did to Valencia!!)
174- 8-20 (Hall should win comfy)
184- 8-23 (Bo wont lose to Myles again)
197- 11-23 (Moore wins against whoever)
285- 15-23 PSU (Honestly dont see a tech for Snyder)
 
BDB57 said:
Regarding "97, 'Cutch can hang with anyone who doesn't have a spladdle and Cassar can take anyone down. The question is does more have a top game and does Cassar have a gas tank?
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Any chance Cassar can start each match, and when he has to go down, tag Cutch into the match and vice versa?
 
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125: Tech or major if Nato (0-5
133: Dec Keener (3-5)
141: Dec Mckenna (3-8)
149: Zain Pin (9-8)
157: Nolf Tech (14-8)
165: Cenzo Dec (17-8)
174: Hall Dec (20-8)
184: Bo Dec (23-8)
197: Moore Dec (23-11)
HWT: Snyder Dec (23-14)

From what I saw at their match with ASU, OSU is in trouble. Nasir outwrestled Pletcher and lost because he turned the wrong way in the final scramble in overtime. Pletcher was gassed and would have lost the ride out IMO. Hayes was done half way through the 2nd period and stalled his way to the win. I think Zain makes him reevaluate his life. This could be a major but I think MJo will be broken in the 2nd and Nolf will toy his way to the tech. Campbell was impressive on top but not so much on his feet. Valencia tried a throw early and Campbell basically didn't let him back up, tilting at will. Cenzo won't be ridden by Campbell and the neutral battle is def adv. Cenzo at this point. I think Hall gets it done comfortably but no major and Bo stays conservative and gets an easy win as well. I think Moore is held to a decision no matter who goes for us and Nevills improves on his match last year by making Snyder feel the extra 20 lbs of muscle he put on. Can't wait to watch this.
 
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Hayes will get pinned. In Flo’s interview with Hayes he pretty much admitted he and McKenna were wrestling off to Not face Zain. He’s already conceded the fall in his mind
 
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nitlion6 said:
Ohio State gassing in November, December or even through January is not uncommon. Generally speaking, by March the Bucknuts are in shape.

Hell one year by the time we got to nationals Ryan even had Kenny Courts in shape.
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I forgot about Kenny Courts. He was one of the few guys I've seen get worse with age. The polar opposite of a fine wine.
 
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Can’t believe Cutch lost to Courts in the quarters; Courts looked like he came from the Grajales school of conditioning
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Cutch had that match won before he hurt his knee again. He's had some really bad luck with injuries.
 
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