Penn State's toughest dual meet

[The Vak]

You use the same argument against Gulibon that you use for Brooks. I'd also add that Gulibon gets a different draw if he loses to Manley - hard to argue a hypothetical that he is not deserving of his finish. Fact is that he was R16 last year and his body of work is far superior than anything Iowa has at 141 at this point in time. In fact, at this time his body of work for his career is superior to Brooks. I get that he is a disappointment to many as he is not considered a high AA at this point.

Gulibon and Nickal are solid favorites at this point - period. If you want to argue that Gulibon could be upset - that's a different argument. It would be a surprise, at this point, the match is not a tossup.

Things could change during the season - at a lot of weights.

How in the world did I use the same argument? I was pointing out that the other Penn State fan was using the arguments in reverse. My argument is that Brooks was the 2 seed at NCAAs last year and the B1G champ, and has a much better season last year than Gulibon.

His argument was that Jimmy was better at the end of the season. I argued that he wasn't, and then point out his W/L record and that he had one good result, an OT win over Micah Jordan.

Jimmy had 0 wins against 2016 141 lb. All Americans. Zero. 0fer. Nada. Zilch. He had one win against a round of 12 guy. He was 1-7 against R12 or better.

Sammy was 3 wins against 2016 184 lb. All Americans. He had one additional win against a Round of 12 guy. He was 4-5 against R12 or better.

Sammy Brooks was 27-7 last year at the toughest weight in the country. Gulibon was 15-11 at not the toughest weight in the country. There is no reasonable comparison b/w Brooks and Gulibon last year.

Finally, Gulibon lost 11 matches last year, and they weren't all to dominant top level wrestlers. For example, he lost to 4-4 Zac Hall. To think it shocking for him to lose to anybody in the top 25 is homerism.

There's just not a comparison between the two wrestlers last year. Brooks was much better.

 

[johnstownsteel]

I'll say Iowa will be our toughest dual simply because it's being held at CHA. More often than not they seem to wrestle us on a different level in that place...

 

[nitlion6]

I believe Minnesota will probably be our toughest dual meet. It is in their arena and considering it is their Goofer mandated national championship I am pretty sure they will peak for that particular dual meet.

Rumor has it that J's last act as head coach was to have the Tees printed.

 

[dicemen99]

How in the world did I use the same argument? I was pointing out that the other Penn State fan was using the arguments in reverse. My argument is that Brooks was the 2 seed at NCAAs last year and the B1G champ, and has a much better season last year than Gulibon.

His argument was that Jimmy was better at the end of the season. I argued that he wasn't, and then point out his W/L record and that he had one good result, an OT win over Micah Jordan.

Jimmy had 0 wins against 2016 141 lb. All Americans. Zero. 0fer. Nada. Zilch. He had one win against a round of 12 guy. He was 1-7 against R12 or better.

Sammy was 3 wins against 2016 184 lb. All Americans. He had one additional win against a Round of 12 guy. He was 4-5 against R12 or better.

Sammy Brooks was 27-7 last year at the toughest weight in the country. Gulibon was 15-11 at not the toughest weight in the country. There is no reasonable comparison b/w Brooks and Gulibon last year.

Finally, Gulibon lost 11 matches last year, and they weren't all to dominant top level wrestlers. For example, he lost to 4-4 Zac Hall. To think it shocking for him to lose to anybody in the top 25 is homerism.

There's just not a comparison between the two wrestlers last year. Brooks was much better.

Could have saved you the breath here...my comment is that Gulibon's body of work for his CAREER was better than Brooks. Not last year.

And yes, I realize that you were pointing out Brooks accomplishments (#2 seed, B1G) to another poster, not me. I was merely pointing out that you are doing the opposite with me to invalidate my statement about Gulibon (B1G Champ, R16). Pointing out mitigating factors (Manley being injured) - as I could also do regarding your statement about Brooks.

 

[PSU Mike]

I'll go out on a limb and say Bo will put Brooks on his back if they're both at 84. It may not be in the dual, but I wouldn't rule it out - he likes to put on a show, and where better than in front of 15k hostiles.

 

[nitlion6]

I'll go out on a limb and say Bo will put Brooks on his back if they're both at 84. It may not be in the dual, but I wouldn't rule it out - he likes to put on a show, and where better than in front of 15k hostiles.

I figure you make a good point. At least in the first match Sammy will show up fired up and ready to brawl. That should be fun, and most likely opens Sammy to an exposure or two.

 

[1stplacehawk]

Yep, all of this.

Turk - his best win was over Gross, who was his teammate so there's familiarity, and has to receive a percentage discount.

Turk and Gross were never on the team at the same time

 

[KidNittany]

Turk and Gross were never on the team at the same time

I addressed this and admitted I was mistaken/misremembered

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I addressed this and admitted I was mistaken/misremembered

KidNit - I'll get my electronic evidence deletion team on it - we'll wipe your tracks. Don't sweat it.

 

[FineMaterial]

I'll go out on a limb and say Bo will put Brooks on his back if they're both at 84. It may not be in the dual, but I wouldn't rule it out - he likes to put on a show, and where better than in front of 15k hostiles.

Hostiles? Didn't Bo say one of his goals was to have Iowa love him?