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From 141-197 we recorded a total of 2 third period TDs today ... giving up 2 in the process.
Not the kind of 3rd period dominance we're used to seeing ... just sayin.
Not the kind of 3rd period dominance we're used to seeing ... just sayin.
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jmadden..I think you made a valid observation here and I'm not sure why you are being called on it. Half of the gold medal bouts @ NCAAs include this type of ride. Don't hate the player here jschrantz...hate the game . The rides that I really hate are the ones where the bottom wrestler stands up 5 times and the top guy runs them out of bounds or returns them to the mat. I often find myself wishing for ref intervention though and then the top guy actually scores NF from a very unlikely position. That makes it even more difficult to both ref and to institute new rules for.
. The rides that I really hate are the ones where the bottom wrestler stands up 5 times and the top guy runs them out of bounds or returns them to the mat. I often find myself wishing for ref intervention though and then the top guy actually scores NF from a very unlikely position. That makes it even more difficult to both ref and to institute new rules for.
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I don’t disagree...but it was still a complete dismantling of the #7 team in the country, without a starter who would have been a favorite. An incredible yet underwhelming performance.
Other teams are very frequently going to "get up" and be extra-motivated or inspired for great efforts and good performances against the indisputable best team and current dynasty. It's often a challenge for the very best team to rival this energy on a regular or routine basis. Same thing often (but of course not always) holds when a lower ranked guy goes against a higher ranked guy (e.g., Rivera vs. Lee)
Big Tens and NCAAs are a bit different because that energy and effort directed against Penn State won't and can't be there in quite the same way when 13 other teams are present (BIGs) or 32 other wrestlers and many more total teams in the case of NCAAs.
Hopefully, Penn State will rally the focus and channel the intensity for both Michigan and Ohio State duals this year.
Big Tens and NCAAs are a bit different because that energy and effort directed against Penn State won't and can't be there in quite the same way when 13 other teams are present (BIGs) or 32 other wrestlers and many more total teams in the case of NCAAs.
Hopefully, Penn State will rally the focus and channel the intensity for both Michigan and Ohio State duals this year.
Lee and Berge must get better at finishing shots. THEY BOTH NEED TO BRING THAT SINGLE LEG UP OR GO DOUBLE....
Agree.
Less is more.
1. Most prep should have occurred during the week.
2. If the coach is frantic, then, what image or tone does that send to his wrestler ?
3. When a quiet coach finally gives instruction, I’m sure it will carry more gravity.
Looking at these threads, I can't believe we lost to Nebraska yesterday. No backs. Sparse TDs. Gassing. Tired.
Is this really how spoiled we are that a 25-6 match has everyone in a funk? Anyone ever think that maybe illness or injury or training had something to do with it?
Is this really how spoiled we are that a 25-6 match has everyone in a funk? Anyone ever think that maybe illness or injury or training had something to do with it?
Sometimes the other team has good wrestlers too that train also?
Nebraska nearly across the board wrestled not to lose and not to give up bonus decisions yesterday.. We were sitting in Rec discussing as the matches progressed how frustrating it must be to some of our wrestlers to not have the ref force the opponent into action and allow for the type of wrestling we saw yesterday.. Sure a couple of our guys could have gotten a bit more on the offensive... but over all the Nebraska game plan was hand fight/back up/keep the match close and lose by decision if possible..
Cael said recently at a social, that we should all SMILE more...and included himself in his self-deprecating, and humble way. Terrific time to be a fan.
Absolutely. They had 7 or 8 ranked guys. My point was that in mid Jan, there is nothing bad about winning 25-6 against a good team even if it isn't your best effort. Last I checked, they give out prizes in March and everything up til then is practice as Mr Iverson used to say.
We see that at Nationals sometimes and for the life of me I'll never understand that. Why train for five months but then go out on the mat to keep it close when it's lose and go home.
So one day when you’re old you can sit in a bar in Boise, Idaho and tell your buddies you held Bo Nickal to a major and didn’t get pinned?
I'd rather sit in the bar and tell my buddies that Bo pinned me but I went after him because there was that 1% chance that maybe I caught him and became a legend.
That's why Sammy Brooks will always have my respect.
That guy bragging about not getting pinned is one of about 45 people that can tell that story, who cares.
Yes. Penn State fans are spoiled. If you watched BTN on Friday, you saw Iowa get 12 takedowns and Rutgers get 3. I think HR was over the moon with the "dominating" effort by Iowa and Scarlet Nation (except for a few reasonable people, who were derided) was defending the dreadful performance for any number of reasons. If the current team had a 12 takedown match, there would be a ton of handwringing. If Penn State *ever* had a dual where the team got only three takedowns, never mind the opponent, PSU fans would be screaming for the coach's head.
Our expectations as a group are extremely high. Personally, I thought that while it may not have been the team's best performance, Nebraska has a really good team and wrestled very hard. Yes, they were guilty of trying to keep it close on a few occasions, but that's hardly blameworthy behavior. Not great for spectators, but understandable.
I saw multiple face and head bandages on guys. This is that time of the year when the coaching staff is destroying the guys in the room. This is the beginning of the ramp up to peak at nationals. This happens every year, but not surprised that so many are surprised lol
It's the mullet for me. I can't remember anything else about him.
Last year Rutgres created this template and now we are seeing this style of “wrestling “ more and more. It sucks.
I'm surprised that you are not surprised that so many are surprised!
Seriously though, I agree that the team as a whole has the look of fatigue with the heavy cutters feeling it the most..
My lasting Brooks memory is Bo using the mat to remove some of the mullet hairs at NCAA's.
... and then go sit the grandkid on the lap and proudly recount: “your grandpa shoveled sh*t in Louisiana during the war ...”
#glorydays
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That's been the Rutgers style under Goodale for years and years and one of the main reasons I stopped going to Rutgers matches. I hate to harp on it (in a way - I can't understand how people just refuse to acknowledge it even though it's staring them in the face), but can you imagine a head coach being in his 12th year at the helm of a team and having that team get a total of 3 takedowns in a dual meet? It's a program approach and problem. But you are correct, as a spectator, it sucks.
We were laughing a little bit when the team came out with Schnupp with the head bandage, Lee with the bandage on his cheek, someone else with his nose bandaged and Manville in the lineup, given his head bleeding history. It was like these guys had been through something like B1G's and nationals packed into 7 days.
Just because their hockey team slowed everything down (while ruining the sport) and had success, they think they can do it in wrestling.
I think the low scoring and not a lot of action thing is a habit and a comfort situation from the early days of that kids wrestling.
I would think most wrestlers had matches or tournaments or seasons where they wrestled that way. either because they were dealing with the cut and conserving energy, moving up a weight and dealing with older stronger kids, not having high confidence in their abilities just yet....lots of things in youth, MS and HS. So they get to college and its just a habit they find very hard to break because it has been so successful. I mean it got them to D1!
in my opinion, guys like DT, Nolf, TnT (@WildTurk) and the like wrestle at such a pace that it looks like everyone should. But reality is many just cant or are uncertain how too because of long term brain and body conditioning. So you go with what got you there.
LOL, the "wrestle to avoid getting bonused" template has been around in various degrees since probably forever; was hardly invented at Rutgers in 2017-18.
Besides, in the PSU dual meet last season, Rutgers employed the "can't beat them wrestling so let's turn it into a street brawl" template.
This. It's easy to say "just shoot more" but it's kind of a core value for those that can do it (or have willed themselves there), and most kids--even good wrestlers, simply can't. PSU's success is in part because they recruit for the mentality first, but are also good enough to do it. I think the coaches thought Suriano's work ethic would mean they could develop that mentality in him. It looked like it was working to me, for a while.
Which, I believe, led to the emphasis of hands to the face in 2018-19.
we are in the B10 schedule now--Neb #7 in the country--I think at times we as fans get spoiled with the easy wins
https://news.theopenmat.com/college-wrestling-news/pin-tech-fall-rates-nationals-years/62538
An interesting article. The greatest pin rates at nationals was in the 1975-77 period which is consistent with my overall impression.
You’re obsessed with Rutgers for some reason lol...I’m guessing little man syndrome
The position he holds is always one more step back. A little bit of a slide circle, but that perfect position that he really wants to hold is always just one more step backwards.
I watched him wrestle against NCST, Nwestern, and a couple of his Cliff Keene matches. He does run his offense off that backwards circle, but against Joesph White does nothing in a forward direction. Well except for while in the top position when both guys were on their feet, White was pretty good about driving forward 4 or 5 steps to the OOB.
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