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PSU vs tOSU

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125 - Nico - 3-0
133 - JDJ - 3-3
141 - Jordan - 3-6
149 - Zain (fall) - 9-6
157 - Nolf (MD) - 13-6
165 - Jordan (MD) - 13-10
174 - Nickal - 16-10
184 - Courts - 16-13
197 - Mc - 19-13
HWT - Snyder (TF) - 19-18

I'm picking Nico as the "upset", and JDJ over Conaway as the other upset, and Courts has beaten Cutch every time...but your bonus points will be too much for tOSU.

http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/55/ohio-state/60/penn-state
 
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I know it looks that way on paper...but it's not going to be that close. And PSU will have more bonus points than +4
 
There is no way Ryan or whoever OSU puts out there isn't going to get pinned or teched by Nolf. If you saw the Ryan vs IMAR match Ryan was so overwhelmed by IMAR and I think Nolf's pace will be even more overwhelming when you factor in the magnitude of this dual. He will go out and break whoever they put out there. Not that it matters to him because he wrestles the same way every match, but PSU will need every bonus point they can get especially if the dual starts out with OSU winning the first three matches. Not saying that it is going to happen, but it could.
 
I know it looks that way on paper...but it's not going to be that close. And PSU will have more bonus points than +4

We could lose the first 3 matches and still win this match. But it will be tough without cutch. 184 and HWT are tough wins for us and conceding 165 gives the yuks 6 wins. Could we bonus out of that with pins at 149 & 157 with wins at 174 and 197....sure but 18-18 final with criteria to the yuks.

That to me is everything goes right for the yuks and nothing for the good guys. So assuming the world doesn't end this week we get a least 1 win in the first 3 and we win the dual.
 
Dunke...are you implying Nevills is back for this match? Just wishful thinking on my part cause I believe Snyder bonuses anyone else. Also, I can see bonus for McIntosh.
 
There is no way Ryan or whoever OSU puts out there isn't going to get pinned or teched by Nolf. If you saw the Ryan vs IMAR match Ryan was so overwhelmed by IMAR and I think Nolf's pace will be even more overwhelming when you factor in the magnitude of this dual. He will go out and break whoever they put out there. Not that it matters to him because he wrestles the same way every match, but PSU will need every bonus point they can get especially if the dual starts out with OSU winning the first three matches. Not saying that it is going to happen, but it could.
The only way little Ryan keeps it to a major is to stall like Zilverberg versus DT. Nolf will destroy him.
 
There is no way Ryan or whoever OSU puts out there isn't going to get pinned or teched by Nolf. If you saw the Ryan vs IMAR match Ryan was so overwhelmed by IMAR and I think Nolf's pace will be even more overwhelming when you factor in the magnitude of this dual. He will go out and break whoever they put out there. Not that it matters to him because he wrestles the same way every match, but PSU will need every bonus point they can get especially if the dual starts out with OSU winning the first three matches. Not saying that it is going to happen, but it could.

Although JDJ has not looked very good of late and Conway is very tough at home. I think the odds of PSU winning the first 3 are just as good, if not slightly better than tO$U winning the first 3. Ditto PSU going 2-1 first 3 versus the odds of tO$U going 2-1.
 
125 - Nico - 3-0
133 - JDJ - 3-3
141 - Jordan - 3-6
149 - Zain (fall) - 9-6
157 - Nolf (MD) - 13-6
165 - Jordan (MD) - 13-10
174 - Nickal - 16-10
184 - Courts - 16-13
197 - Mc - 19-13
HWT - Snyder (TF) - 19-18

I'm picking Nico as the "upset", and JDJ over Conaway as the other upset, and Courts has beaten Cutch every time...but your bonus points will be too much for tOSU.

I do have a bad feeling that Ryan may hold back Tomasello though....

http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/55/ohio-state/60/penn-state

I'm going with PSU 24 - tO$U 15. PSU takes 49, 57, 74 and 97 with +6 bonus pts (believe this is conservative). tO$U takes 165 and HWT with +3 bonus pts. We split 25, 33, 41 and 84 - no bonus points (I'm also assuming Mouse goes).
 
Our local head coach is an os fan, and when I asked him about the match this Saturday, he gave me his prediction.

20-17 Penn State

OSU Wins
125
141
165 Bonus Points
285 Bonus Points

PUS Wins
133
149 Bonus Points
157
174
184
197

I like to watch wrestling, but do not follow it close enough to make predictions. That said, I'll take what he says!

OL
 
Our local head coach is an os fan, and when I asked him about the match this Saturday, he gave me his prediction.

20-17 Penn State

OSU Wins
125
141
165 Bonus Points
285 Bonus Points

PUS Wins
133
149 Bonus Points
157
174
184
197

I like to watch wrestling, but do not follow it close enough to make predictions. That said, I'll take what he says!

OL
There's absolutely no chance PSU doesn't get bonus at 157, and I'd be somewhat surprised if OSU gets bonus at 165
 
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There's absolutely no chance PSU doesn't get bonus at 157, and I'd be somewhat surprised if OSU gets bonus at 165

Agreed. His prediction is near identical to mine except bonus points - the OP's tO$U buddy has PSU winning 6 (the 4 locks I named 49, 57, 74 & 97 + splitting 25, 33, 41 & 84), but only has PSU scoring 2 bonus points total??? (I had PSU scoring 6 bonus points total). He has tO$U winning 4 (the 2 locks I named 65 & HWT + splitting 25, 33, 41, & 84) and has tO$U registering 5 bounus points (I had tO$U scoring 3 bonus points total).

Just as you say, I don't see tO$U scoring more then 3 bonus pts and PSU is going to score a lot more than +2 bonus pts imho (this guy must not have watched PSU wrestle this year - PSU has been bonusing all over the place). I'll stick with the 6-4 match advantage and 6-3 bonus point advantage both in PSU's favor for a final score of 24-15.
 
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Agreed. His prediction is near identical to mine except bonus points - the OP's tO$U buddy has PSU winning 6 (the 4 locks I named 49, 57, 74 & 97 + splitting 25, 33, 41 & 84), but only has PSU scoring 2 bonus points total??? (I had PSU scoring 6 bonus points total). He has tO$U winning 4 (the 2 locks I named 65 & HWT + splitting 25, 33, 41, & 84) and has tO$U registering 5 bounus points (I had tO$U scoring 3 bonus points total).

Not sure I would characterize 174 as a "lock". Last time Nickal faced Martin (at NLO), he won a 4-3 decision.
 
Not sure I would characterize 174 as a "lock". Last time Nickal faced Martin (at NLO), he won a 4-3 decision.

Disagree. Since that time Martin has been beaten more than once. Bo will widen the gap by a significant margin in this match. It's a no-doubt, lock.
 
125- Tomasello by dec
133- Conway by dec
141- Jordan by dec
149- Zain by pin
157- Nolf by tech
165- Jordan by maj
174- Nickal by dec
184- McCutcheon or Brill by dec
197- Mac by maj
285- Snyder by tech
Final score: 24-15 PSU

Nico could win 125. Nickal could get a major. Courts has been so bad this year that I don't think it matters who PSU throws out there as long as they push the pace
 
125- Tomasello by dec
133- Conway by dec
141- Jordan by dec
149- Zain by pin
157- Nolf by tech
165- Jordan by maj
174- Nickal by dec
184- McCutcheon or Brill by dec
197- Mac by maj
285- Snyder by tech
Final score: 24-15 PSU

Nico could win 125. Nickal could get a major. Courts has been so bad this year that I don't think it matters who PSU throws out there as long as they push the pace

Pretty similar to how I see it - 6 matches to PSU with +6 bonus and 4 to tO$U with +3 bounus.
 
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Dunke...are you implying Nevills is back for this match? Just wishful thinking on my part cause I believe Snyder bonuses anyone else. Also, I can see bonus for McIntosh.

I'm praying on it....plus rubbing my lucky rabbits foot, pushing snow away looking for shamrocks, so on and so forth
 
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Ok, here's a wrestling question I should know the answer to but don't... How late can a lineup adjustment be made? For example, let's say the worst case scenario happens and we lose the first 3 matches. Could Cael then decide to push Nolf to 165 and have Beitz wrestle 157?
 
How about without McCutcheon?;)
I'm usually so much better about spelling. I'm disappointed in myself. The first with him, the second without. I wrote up a little breakdown, as I saw it, on the Guillotine that I might as well copy/paste, here, to gain some of my credibility back.

125: Nico Megaludis vs Nathan Tomasello
I think this crucial swing match is decided on whether or not Tomasello can finish his single leg on Nico. Nico has rubber freaking joints, man. He might be the toughest 125 to finish on, when he wrestles through that whizzer/splits position. I don't think either will ride the other for enough time to make a difference. Tomasello is also brutal on the re-attack out of a front headlock or a defended shot. Nico, being how flexible he is, sometimes leaves himself open for those type of attacks. I have to take Tomasello for right now, in a close decision. Toss-up favored to tOSU.
3-0 Ohio State

133: Jordan Conaway vs Johnny DiJulius
DiJulius is tough on top with that leg ride. Conaway, on the other hand, has a killer motor and non-stop action on his feet. If Conaway can get out without dealing with RT, I think he has the upper-hand, here. DiJulius struggled underneath against Indiana, so that could help Conaway, with riding just enough to erase time and win it on his feet. Now, on their feet, JDJ has a heck of a fireman's... Conaway is tough in an underhook, which feeds right into that. If Conaway can effectively use a more touch-n-go type of attack and get out on bottom in a timely fashion, I see Conaway taking this match. The more points, the better for Conaway. This is a toss-up slighted to PSU.
3-3 tie

141: Jimmy Gulibon vs Micah Jordan
Micah presents a tough task for Gulibon. Jimmy is going to give up at least one shurg to back-trip. It's going to happen. Micah is also a tough rider (when he prefers it over going for bonus on his feet). Jimmy sorta struggles underneath tough riders. The key to this match will be if Jimmy can slow Micah down on his feet (which is Gulibon's forte). I still think Micah takes a close match, here, but it is still a toss-up.
6-3 Ohio State

149: Zain Retherford vs Hunter Steiber
If I'm Ryan, I might not even put Hunter out there. In all honesty, the odds that he leaves the mat without an injury are slim. Zain will run through a brick wall for you, back over the wall, and run over it a 2nd time just to make sure it's dust, when he leaves. I think Zain pins Hunter, or really anybody tOSU throws out there. Hunter is a shell of his former self. He just lost to Luke Blanton from Indiana.
9-6 Penn State

157: Jason Nolf vs Jake Ryan
Nolf will pound whoever tOSU throws out at this weight. Kresevic just made 157 against Indiana, so we could see him, here. However, I don't see Nolf getting a fall. This will be a constant-attack tech fall.
14-6 Penn State

165: Shakur Rasheed vs Bo Jordan
Bo is a gigantic hurdle to cross for Rasheed. Rasheed decided to ditch his offense and win with a tough ride against Michigan. Bo Jordan is not Garret Sutton. The worst part about this match-up is that Bo has a great motor, but Rasheed seems to be lacking in that department. Much like Gulibon-Jordan, Rasheed has to slow the pace down. The tough part is that Rasheed doesn't really do that, unlike Jimmy. Rasheed will shoot the gun until the chamber is empty in the first/second period. I'm not ready to give Bo a major, which is my bias coming into play, but I think Bo takes this match, handily.
14-9 Penn State

174: Bo Nickal vs Myles Martin
These two met in a closely-contested match at the Nittany Lion Open. Since then, Bo has trashed wrestlers (not named Nate Jackson). Myles beat Nate Jackson, but took an L to a very mediocre Purdue wrestler. Nickal also has wins over Ottinger and Mahomes (by Inj Def) that Martin lost to. The key to this one for Nickal is to push the pace. When Bo is constantly trying to score, good things happen. Myles doesn't want a shoot-out with Nickal. I'm giving Nickal this one, but in a close fashion, much like the first meeting this season.
17-9 Penn State

184: Matt McCutcheon vs Kenny Courts
It sounds as though McCutcheon will be a go this Friday. Courts owns the last two wins over Matt, but Courts isn't consistent. Matt has beaten guys that Courts has taken L's from this season. I'm a broken record, here, but McC has to make Courts tired. If he uses basic defense and can stay out of the scramble, I think Matt has the match. Coming off an injury throws a whole new wrench into the fold. However, my bias is shining through. McCutcheon wins a close one, probably coming from behind in the third.
20-9 Penn State

197: Morgan McIntosh vs Mark Martin
Morgan hasn't lit the board up like I've wished he would, this season. That being said, Mark Martin ain't smelling this one. Morgan will win a controlled decision, probably try multiple bow and arrows that won't go. Mark won't do much. Guys who Martin beats, Smack majors. But if they don't use Martin (used Fox against Indiana), Morgan gets bonus.
23-9 Penn State

285: Jan Johnson vs Kyle Snyder
Jan is out-matched in every facet, here. He did a great job fighting against Coon and his size, but Snyder has another level of offense. If it ends in anything but a tech fall, it's probably a moral victory for Jan. I'll give him a tech, though.
Final: 23-14 Penn State
 
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Ok, here's a wrestling question I should know the answer to but don't... How late can a lineup adjustment be made? For example, let's say the worst case scenario happens and we lose the first 3 matches. Could Cael then decide to push Nolf to 165 and have Beitz wrestle 157?
From a rule standpoint, the coach can send out any eligible wrestler (weighed in)...right at the start of each bout. It'll be a cold day when we see Cael make the specific move you're suggesting, sorry...
 
125- Tomasello by dec
133- Conway by dec
141- Jordan by dec
149- Zain by pin
157- Nolf by tech
165- Jordan by maj
174- Nickal by dec
184- McCutcheon or Brill by dec
197- Mac by maj
285- Snyder by tech
Final score: 24-15 PSU

Nico could win 125. Nickal could get a major. Courts has been so bad this year that I don't think it matters who PSU throws out there as long as they push the pace
I think you're selling Kenny way too short he has 6 losses on the season and for the most part only one of them would surprise most
 
I think you're selling Kenny way too short he has 6 losses on the season and for the most part only one of them would surprise most
Would that be when Abounader only beat him 3-0?

I wpuld not pick our backup 174 to move up and beat Courts, but it wouldn't surprise me either. For all of his talent, Courts sadly has demonstrated an appallingly uncompetitive streak. It's hard to be surprised by any of his losses after the 15-0 egg he laid against Miklus, or after he lay flat on his stomach and refused to fight back for most of the national semifinal.
 
Would that be when Abounader only beat him 3-0?

I wpuld not pick our backup 174 to move up and beat Courts, but it wouldn't surprise me either. For all of his talent, Courts sadly has demonstrated an appallingly uncompetitive streak. It's hard to be surprised by any of his losses after the 15-0 egg he laid against Miklus, or after he lay flat on his stomach and refused to fight back for most of the national semifinal.
No it wouldn't be, most Buckeye fans bashed Kenny for his "lack of effort" all of last year and then he made the podium wich was a lesson learned. just based on his entire college career this season doesn't surprise me at all but I'm also confident he won't lose to penn states back up 174 as he's been in matches with some great guys at 184 and beaten some good ones as well
 
No it wouldn't be, most Buckeye fans bashed Kenny for his "lack of effort" all of last year and then he made the podium wich was a lesson learned. just based on his entire college career this season doesn't surprise me at all but I'm also confident he won't lose to penn states back up 174 as he's been in matches with some great guys at 184 and beaten some good ones as well

Moot point as he won't be facing Brill (PSU's back-up at 74 and 84). McCutcheon is definitely going at 84 as per Cael himself during last night's coach's radio show.
 
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Shrubber's prediction
I say 21-19 PSU or 24-16, depending on Toss-up, IMHO with Nico
125 - Tomasello - 3-0 tossup, though
133 - Conaway - 3-3 He's at the top of that 2nd tier below Garrett/Richards
141 - Jordan - 3-6 jimmy's obviously healthier than he was at Scuffle, but not ready yet to take down Jordan
149 - Zain- Pin 9-6
157 - Nolf TechFall - 14-6 Ryan tied Berger from NE in regulation, Nolf 19-3 over Berger -'Nuff said
165 - Bo Jordan - major - 14-10 - never know with Rasheed, Morelli could save a team pt, since he's tougher to score on, but Shakur, if he's on, can score (not impossible for an upset), but if he's off ,could get majored
174 - Nickal - 17-10 close
184 - Courts - 17-13 would love to see a "3rd time's a charm" for Cutch, but would rather see him get Kenny in March if given the choice.
197 - McIntosh Major - 21-13
HWT - Snyder (fall) - 21-19
 
I'll give it a shot:
125- my heart says Nico, my head remembers the Dance match. tOSU 3-0
133- Conaway has looked consistent against 2nd/3rd tier guys. 3-3
141- I think Jimmy keeps it close but gets edged at the end, maybe by riding time. tOSU 6-3
149- ZPain is on another planet right now. His opponents aren't trying not to get pinned, they're trying not to get killed. If I could give him 7 I would. PSU 9-6
157- Nolf Vader finds the force weak in this Buckeye. PSU 15-6
165- While Rasheed has a puncher's chance, or more accurately, a cradler's chance, their Bo knows bonus points, too. PSU 15-10
174- Along with 125, the marquee match up. A rematch from the NLO, a chippy (I did not witness, only read about) 4-3 squeaker. Myles has had this date circled since his shirt was pulled. I don't like predicting ugliness, so I'll just say a lot of scoring (at least 20 combined). A fall either way honestly would not shock me. That said, Bo by decision. PSU 18-10.
184- The "I Can't Believe I Keep Losing To This Guy" Award has gathered it's last speck of dust on Mouse's mantle. MM refuses to be bored into a daze a 3rd straight match v Courts. PSU 21-10.
197- Remember when people thought Mac was undersized? Yeah, he's making me forget,too. Major. PSU 25-10
285- Run Jan, run! No really Jan, run. Snyder tech fall. PSU 25-15.
 
No idea what will happen at 285, but one factoid about Snyder is that, for all his talent, he does not have a single pin in his college career. Exceptional offensive wrestler who has 18 Majors or Tech Falls, but he's not a pinner.

How'd I do, El-Jefe??
 
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This is my unbiased guess.
125- Nato dec. 0-3 tosu
133-JC dec 3-3
141-MJ dec 6-3 tosu
149-Pain and suffering 9-6 PSU
157-peaceful death 14-6 PSU
165- BJo dec. 14-9
174- Bo dec. 17-9
184- Cutch MD 21-9 Courts isn't Cael
197- Yawn 25-9
285- Yawn 25-14

I will not be surprised if Nico beats Nato, but a little drama in team score early is nice for an outsider. Nico wins and its over. I really do think Cutch will smoke Courts. This isn't last year. Cutch is way better and courts seems worse to me.
 
I think you're selling Kenny way too short he has 6 losses on the season and for the most part only one of them would surprise most
Just my personal opinion. He doesn't appear to be in great shape, and if the pace is pushed he will break. If the person is content to hand fight and dance around it will be a very close match that he could win.
 
Just my personal opinion. He doesn't appear to be in great shape, and if the pace is pushed he will break. If the person is content to hand fight and dance around it will be a very close match that he could win.

I agree. When healthy, Cutch has shown a lot more offensive effort and aggressiveness this year than last year. IF he's healthy and in decent shape (which he still should be), pushing the action against Courts will result in a win even if he falls behind early.
 
Just my personal opinion. He doesn't appear to be in great shape, and if the pace is pushed he will break. If the person is content to hand fight and dance around it will be a very close match that he could win.

This is a good assessment of Courts and has been since high school.
 
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