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Robert Kraft charged with Soliciting Prostitution

Jim Irsay was fined $500K and suspended for six games for his DUI. If Kraft cops a plea and gets an ARD deal, I would think his NFL suspension might be two games and a low six figure fine. Kraft's team has to have been negotiating a deal with the NFL over the past several weeks.
 
I don’t see anyone doing that.

To my understanding, the plea-deal he turned down would have kept the tapes out of the public eye. Perhaps he thought that the tapes would leak anyway, eventually. Well, however it plays out, the man’s lost his good name.
Releasing a video such as this serves no good purpose and is unjustifiably vindictive. I would argue that doing so is far more abhorrent than anything Kraft himself did. Social media and the society it has spawned is nauseating.
 
Releasing a video such as this serves no good purpose and is unjustifiably vindictive. I would argue that doing so is far more abhorrent than anything Kraft himself did. Social media and the society it has spawned is nauseating.
If he goes to trial, the video is part of the public record. That’s the way it works, no vindictiveness involved. Like I said, I understand that a plea deal could include keeping the video out of the public record.
 
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That may be, but many are questioning the legality of videos like these, and for good reason in my opinion. Where do we stop with all this Big Brother stuff?
 
That may be, but many are questioning the legality of videos like these, and for good reason in my opinion. Where do we stop with all this Big Brother stuff?
He is no victim here - god knows what those girls went through that got them where they are - cops get bitched at all the time when it he said she said and now they have video evidence. How many times has the public screamed for the very video to be released publicly except when it makes the criminal look dad I guess. kraft is messed up dude for doing what he did
 
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Releasing a video such as this serves no good purpose and is unjustifiably vindictive. I would argue that doing so is far more abhorrent than anything Kraft himself did. Social media and the society it has spawned is nauseating.
Having a hard time sucking up any sympathy for this entitled douche. Releasing a video of him getting a handjob is worse than him getting one? How? Because it takes away his ability to deny it? I dont get it.
 
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It recently has become unfashionable to be extremely wealthy, due apparently to a stew of political attitudes and ideas that see fairly-and-squarely-accumulated wealth as a target for quick-and-easy redistribution. But billionaires still have rights, even if our new resent-the-rich vibe also includes making faces at legal arguments made by lawyers the rich can afford.

Patriots owner Robert Kraft currently faces a legal problem that, but for his social and financial status, would be regarded by most reasonable people as deeply troubling. Regardless of whether he did or didn’t solicit prostitution prior to receiving massages on back-to-back days in January, the government saw fit to hide cameras in extremely private areas for the purposes of catching him in the act of something that may not have been solicited in advance.

Karol Marowicz of the New York Post takes a closer look at the dynamics that resulted in the “sneak-and-peek” surveillance operation, following by a plead-guilty-or-we’ll-release-the-video strategy that in any other context would amount to extortion. But for trumped-up at best and falsified at worst concerns regarding human trafficking, it would have been difficult if not impossible to secure a search warrant. Although prosecutors have since admitted that don’t actually have evidence of human trafficking in Kraft’s case, the video still exists and the charges still stand.

As explained over the weekend by Marc Freeman of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, authorities in Florida have used this tactic in the past. But they’ve rarely if ever taken on someone with the resources and the incentive to fight the charges tooth and nail. Kraft, who needs an exoneration in order to have any shot at not being suspended by the NFL (even with exoneration, a suspension may be inevitable), has launched the kind of defense that rarely happens when charges are filed and a guilty plea is quickly and quietly harvested.

Freeman points out that, on two prior occasions (in 2007 and 2014), law-enforcement officials installed cameras in Boca Raton massage parlors. Only one defendant filed a challenge to the “sneak-and-peek” warrant, and prosecutors dropped the charges against that person before there ever was even a hearing on the issue.

In this case, prosecutors can’t cut and run, due to the intense public scrutiny that surely would follow. Instead, they need to keep pushing for some sort of deal, with the leverage being the ever-present threat of public humiliation from the release of a video that, given the lack of evidence of human trafficking, arguably never should have been created.

Even with the video, the prosecutions case lacks any proof of actual solicitation. The absence of such evidence continues to be the biggest factual flaw in Kraft’s case, especially if the alleged prostitute refuses to testify that money was promised for sex.

Regardless, the fact that Kraft is rich, famous, and powerful shouldn’t cloud the fact that Florida has a habit of invading privacy and harvesting guilty pleas before ever being held accountable. Although Kraft surely isn’t doing this to end the practice of “sneak-and-peek” surveillance in Florida, the fight to defend himself has an incidental benefit to anyone whose privacy rights may be violated in the future — especially for those who were simply getting a massage but who ended up having the entire incident viewed and scrutinized by police.

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It recently has become unfashionable to be extremely wealthy, due apparently to a stew of political attitudes and ideas that see fairly-and-squarely-accumulated wealth as a target for quick-and-easy redistribution. But billionaires still have rights, even if our new resent-the-rich vibe also includes making faces at legal arguments made by lawyers the rich can afford.

Patriots owner Robert Kraft currently faces a legal problem that, but for his social and financial status, would be regarded by most reasonable people as deeply troubling. Regardless of whether he did or didn’t solicit prostitution prior to receiving massages on back-to-back days in January, the government saw fit to hide cameras in extremely private areas for the purposes of catching him in the act of something that may not have been solicited in advance.

Karol Marowicz of the New York Post takes a closer look at the dynamics that resulted in the “sneak-and-peek” surveillance operation, following by a plead-guilty-or-we’ll-release-the-video strategy that in any other context would amount to extortion. But for trumped-up at best and falsified at worst concerns regarding human trafficking, it would have been difficult if not impossible to secure a search warrant. Although prosecutors have since admitted that don’t actually have evidence of human trafficking in Kraft’s case, the video still exists and the charges still stand.

As explained over the weekend by Marc Freeman of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, authorities in Florida have used this tactic in the past. But they’ve rarely if ever taken on someone with the resources and the incentive to fight the charges tooth and nail. Kraft, who needs an exoneration in order to have any shot at not being suspended by the NFL (even with exoneration, a suspension may be inevitable), has launched the kind of defense that rarely happens when charges are filed and a guilty plea is quickly and quietly harvested.

Freeman points out that, on two prior occasions (in 2007 and 2014), law-enforcement officials installed cameras in Boca Raton massage parlors. Only one defendant filed a challenge to the “sneak-and-peek” warrant, and prosecutors dropped the charges against that person before there ever was even a hearing on the issue.

In this case, prosecutors can’t cut and run, due to the intense public scrutiny that surely would follow. Instead, they need to keep pushing for some sort of deal, with the leverage being the ever-present threat of public humiliation from the release of a video that, given the lack of evidence of human trafficking, arguably never should have been created.

Even with the video, the prosecutions case lacks any proof of actual solicitation. The absence of such evidence continues to be the biggest factual flaw in Kraft’s case, especially if the alleged prostitute refuses to testify that money was promised for sex.

Regardless, the fact that Kraft is rich, famous, and powerful shouldn’t cloud the fact that Florida has a habit of invading privacy and harvesting guilty pleas before ever being held accountable. Although Kraft surely isn’t doing this to end the practice of “sneak-and-peek” surveillance in Florida, the fight to defend himself has an incidental benefit to anyone whose privacy rights may be violated in the future — especially for those who were simply getting a massage but who ended up having the entire incident viewed and scrutinized by police.

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That's a great line: "Billionaires still have rights".
No doubt they do, and he can hire platoons of the best lawyers to make sure that the "trumped up" charges are dismissed, despite everybody "making faces" at the poor dear.
 
That's a great line: "Billionaires still have rights".
No doubt they do, and he can hire platoons of the best lawyers to make sure that the "trumped up" charges are dismissed, despite everybody "making faces" at the poor dear.

Phillies still in first place, poker.
 
Having a hard time sucking up any sympathy for this entitled douche. Releasing a video of him getting a handjob is worse than him getting one? How? Because it takes away his ability to deny it? I dont get it.
I'm not a fan either. But, I am opposed to what amounts to blackmail by law enforcement. This is something the ACLU needs to get involved in.
 
I'm not a fan either. But, I am opposed to what amounts to blackmail by law enforcement. This is something the ACLU needs to get involved in.
I am opposed to blackmail too. That does not make telling/showing the world he got a handy worse than him getting a handy.

I'd rather see the ACLU use its scarce resources to help people who are not billionaires, and whose constitutional deprivations are real, as opposed to reputational.
 
I am opposed to blackmail too. That does not make telling/showing the world he got a handy worse than him getting a handy.

I'd rather see the ACLU use its scarce resources to help people who are not billionaires, and whose constitutional deprivations are real, as opposed to reputational.
Point is that it shouldn't matter one way or the other when dealing with constitutional deprivation. Slippery slope.
 
About to be 12-10 in NL worst division?
Front-runner thread already complaining about umps, never a good sign.

"We got Harper"
Shoulda got pitching.
Guys, guys. Way too early for this. Revisit in July.
 
If the real video is ever released it will surely be redacted anywhere there are minors in view. So it may be hard pardon the pun to see anything.
 
I am opposed to blackmail too. That does not make telling/showing the world he got a handy worse than him getting a handy.

I'd rather see the ACLU use its scarce resources to help people who are not billionaires, and whose constitutional deprivations are real, as opposed to reputational.
I'd love to see a guy like Robert Kraft face consequences for wrongdoings. It doesn't happen enough.

But straight from the article posted above "State and federal laws prevent law enforcement agencies from using secret cameras for investigations that are specifically limited to prostitution." There's a lot to this that isn't worth going into, including that the cameras were presumably justified by a trafficking sting. But Kraft's charges are for a paid hand, which he paid for from someone who, from the sounds of it, wasn't trafficked and voluntarily engaged in the transaction, legal or illegal. The transaction is illegal. But the law was written to limit the violations of expected privacy to more serious crimes. Showing the world he bought a hand is much worse than his purchase. The punishment has to suit the crime. The man has already been shamed. Time to set the scandal aside and end the story. The public doesn't deserve or need to see the footage. My fear is the recordings have already been copied and likely leaked somewhere.
 
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Point is that it shouldn't matter one way or the other when dealing with constitutional deprivation. Slippery slope.
So, regardless of income OR ABILITY TO PAY HIGH-PRICED LAWYERS, the police should never do this? Um, okay, but letting Kraft off will not fix this. Only getting somebody to hire lawyers for every penniless or working class "handy" recipient will do that. Get your own wallet out. I am not interested in paying for it.
 
"Showing the world he bought a hand is much worse than his purchase."
Why?

Saying that he did it is worse than pictures of him doing it? Why? Because his denials are

bullsh!t?
 
A Florida judge on Tuesday temporarily sealed videos allegedly showing New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft receiving sexual services for pay at a massage parlor.

Judge Leonard Hanser of Palm Beach County court said in a ruling that Kraft’s “right to a fair trial” on charges of soliciting prostitution “requires the disputed videotape to be withheld” — for a limited period of time — from media organizations that have sought the videos’ release.


In his written order, which came in response to a request by Kraft’s criminal defense team to keep the videos from the public, Hanser wrote, “A seventy-eight year old man walks into a day spa and, in addition to receiving conventional spa services, he allegedly engages in illegal sexual activity.”

“That seems like a rather tawdry but fairly unremarkable event,” Hanser wrote. “But if that man is the owner of the most successful franchise in, arguably, the most popular professional sport in the United States, an entirely different dynamic arises, especially if the encounter is captured on videotape, and the incident is the focus of much media attention and pre-trial publicity.”

Hanser ordered that the videos not be released until either a jury is sworn in for any trial for Kraft, the case against him is resolved by a plea deal, prosecutors drop charges against him, or “at any other time at which the Court finds that the fair trial rights of the Defendant are not at risk.”

The judge wrote that he is “seriously concerned about allowing the media to disclose to the public a piece of evidence that would be (or could be) central to the case against” Kraft.

But he rejected arguments by Kraft’s criminal defense team that the videos should remain sealed because of either his right to privacy, or because they are exempt from disclosure under Florida law.


Prosecutors claim in their case that Kraft visited the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida, on two consecutive days in January, and that he received sexual services in exchange for money on both occasions. Cameras hidden by police armed with a so-called “sneak and peek” warrant captured the encounters, according to court documents.

The second visit occurred hours before Kraft watched the Patriots defeat the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game in Kansas City.

Kraft, whose team won the Super Bowl in February, has pleaded not guilty in the case.
 
I've never seen or even heard of a publicly-available surveillance tape of prostituted sex acts. Is this normal?
 
I've never seen or even heard of a publicly-available surveillance tape of prostituted sex acts. Is this normal?
Here is the nut of the judge's order:
Hanser ordered that the videos not be released until either a jury is sworn in for any trial for Kraft, the case against him is resolved by a plea deal, prosecutors drop charges against him, or “at any other time at which the Court finds that the fair trial rights of the Defendant are not at risk.”

The judge wrote that he is “seriously concerned about allowing the media to disclose to the public a piece of evidence that would be (or could be) central to the case against” Kraft.

But he rejected arguments by Kraft’s criminal defense team that the videos should remain sealed because of either his right to privacy, or because they are exempt from disclosure under Florida law.
 
See, I am not so sure that you have a right to privacy while you are committing a criminal act. I think the reason the courts are a little hinky about secret recording devices is because they might embarrass people who were doing nothing illegal, NOT because getting a "handy" is somehow less offensive than a video of you getting a "handy."
 
See, I am not so sure that you have a right to privacy while you are committing a criminal act. I think the reason the courts are a little hinky about secret recording devices is because they might embarrass people who were doing nothing illegal, NOT because getting a "handy" is somehow less offensive than a video of you getting a "handy."
So, how many times have you heard of or seen videos of illegal rub and tugs? I'm asking because my virgin eyes and ears have never come across such a thing.

PS, if my Willy is still Wonking at age 80, I'll probably film it and put it on youtube myself.
 
So raise your hand if you want to see an 80 year old Robert Kraft get a happy ending. Who is the pervert that is opening that video and watching it.
 
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Oh, you can bet they're out there. And the media will love to post it. One would think they'd have better things with which to concern themselves, but make no mistake, they're salivating over getting hold of this. This is what they do best. Dirty Laundry.
 
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