Rutgers dual postp-- ... take it the Covid Thread people

[aalion]

It's not strange that there were very few strong reactions to the virus among college football players. These are young, healthy men. The question is whether any program would intentionally cause its roster to be subjected to the virus for the sake of "getting it over with" and proceeding with their season. The risk, however small, that a player would have a serious negative reaction (or pass the virus to a more-susceptible family member) necessitates not going that route.

As for the long-term concerns, I don't know what your question is. No less an authority than the Mayo Clinic has acknowledged the risk.

"The virus can damage the lungs, heart and brain, which increases the risk of long-term health problems."

Long COVID questions and answers

COVID-19 can have lasting symptoms that affect many parts of the body. Learn more about the symptoms and effects of long COVID.

www.mayoclinic.org

If you want to dismiss that risk as inconsequential, that's up to you. I obviously cannot prove or disprove what may or may not happen in the future. My point is simply that universities don't have the same luxury you do. They cannot ignore such risks.

Never, in the history of viruses, even serious COVId viruses, has there ever, ever, been a virus that resulted in people getting it, maybe showing symptoms, maybe not, maybe getting a bit sick, NOT ending up so sick that they even require hospitalization (as is the case with 99.99% of college aged kids let alone athletes), then 5 years later those same people developed “horrific” long term impacts.

it has simply never happened, and is also illogical. To imply that it should be a concern is preposterous panic porn.

 

[aalion]

That’s a great idea as long as the brave warriors do not use society’s doctors or nurses or hospitals or welfare checks.

This idea is floated all of the time as if it is some kind of “gotcha”. You know what? There are literally millions of people who would gladly sign up for this condition. I would in a heartbeat, I would much rather get COVId and deal with it solo than be stuck despairing over my kids lives, unemployment, my mother spending holidays alone, etc etc etc.

 

[aalion]

It's not strange that there were very few strong reactions to the virus among college football players. These are young, healthy men. The question is whether any program would intentionally cause its roster to be subjected to the virus for the sake of "getting it over with" and proceeding with their season. The risk, however small, that a player would have a serious negative reaction (or pass the virus to a more-susceptible family member) necessitates not going that route.

As for the long-term concerns, I don't know what your question is. No less an authority than the Mayo Clinic has acknowledged the risk.

"The virus can damage the lungs, heart and brain, which increases the risk of long-term health problems."

Long COVID questions and answers

COVID-19 can have lasting symptoms that affect many parts of the body. Learn more about the symptoms and effects of long COVID.

www.mayoclinic.org

If you want to dismiss that risk as inconsequential, that's up to you. I obviously cannot prove or disprove what may or may not happen in the future. My point is simply that universities don't have the same luxury you do. They cannot ignore such risks.

The long term effects you are describing above is 100% accurate. Of all viruses. Which is why I said I wouldn't suggest COVId parties any more than I would suggest flu parties or pneumonia parties, all of which have the potential for the same long term effects you describe. Extremely rare for young healthy people. Much like COVId 19.

Implying that healthy college aged kids will have horrendous long term effects from COVId that are outside the realm of normal risks people run every day it no more sane than telling people to stay inside because your weatherbug app reported a lightning strike 50 miles away and there is a chance you might be struck.

 

[aalion]

Do you have a citation? How do you know none of those things has happened?

Statistically, it seems highly unlikely that 1000 positives would not infect at least one person who gets very sick.

Do you have a citation where it happened? Anywhere? Seems highly unlikely that an athlete (who is tested multiple times per week and required to quarantine if positive) would have infected and gotten seriously ill a family member and we wouldn’t have heard about it. Hell, an out of season illness to an Indiana offensive lineman almost cratered the entire BIG season.

And I am just spitballing here, while I don’t suggest anyone have a COVId party, maybe, just thinking outside the box, if they did decide to have one, maybe they would also have a quarantine plan as part of that brilliant idea? I am guessing they wouldn’t run home to Mom the next day and say “guess what we did last night?”

 

[James P. Whitters III]

My entire family has now had Covid. None of the grand kids really had any sickness, but several of the older people (myself included) did. I had a fever for the better part of three days and lost smell and taste for over a week. It seems like from our 23 person study that you should avoid it if you can, but not too big of a deal to most people if they do catch it.

 

[lobo lion]

Never, in the history of viruses, even serious COVId viruses, has there ever, ever, been a virus that resulted in people getting it, maybe showing symptoms, maybe not, maybe getting a bit sick, NOT ending up so sick that they even require hospitalization (as is the case with 99.99% of college aged kids let alone athletes), then 5 years later those same people developed “horrific” long term impacts.

it has simply never happened, and is also illogical. To imply that it should be a concern is preposterous panic porn.

Fine, you obviously know better than those simpletons at Mayo.

 

[aalion]

Fine, you obviously know better than those simpletons at Mayo.

There is nothing those simpletons at Mayo said that is different than what I said. In fact, it validates what I said. The Mayo guys are studying SARS to try and predict the long term effects of COVId, and there certainly hasn’t been any “horrendous” long term effects in healthy athletes 5 years later from SARS.

 

[dunkej01]

As a shout out to @STAND with PRIDE , this will be me at 2:30 tomorrow afternoon.

I think that sums up the gist of this thread.

Would have thought you a beer or bourbon guy.

That photo is dmm at 230 am or pm recently

 

[CropDuster507]

Fine, you obviously know better than those simpletons at Mayo.

The idiots at the Rochester campus can't seem to figure out how a crosswalk in a downtown area works.

 

[El-Jefe]

@tikk10 Can you change the thread title to Covid Porn?

 

[NothingMeaningful]

So honest question - is this shot truly a vaccine? To me a vaccine is a once and done shot, maybe with an occasional booster. If we need to get this shot every year, than it's more in line with the flu shot and not something like the smallpox vaccine (which I'm not sure that they give anymore). Or is the flu shot considered a vaccine as well? Either way, we should get it.

The flu shot is a vaccine: it causes your immune system to recognize the targeted virus and prevent an infection. The flu virus mutates enough so that new strains are popping up each year that are not covered by the previous vaccine(s). Things like measles and smallpox don't mutate (or did so very little), so a vaccine for them lasts nearly for your life.

 

[nittinsc]

Getting back to the dual, let's look at Sunday's "bright side" wrestling headlines:

Penn State Wrestling Remains Unbeaten

Rutger Wrestling Avoids Going 0-2

 

[dunkej01]

Man these nuclear codes dont seem to work.....

Somebody must have changed the password

 

[PSUer1989]

Strangely none of these things seem to have happened to any of the 1000 of college football players who tested positive this fall

“horrific long term effects 5 years down the road”?

I don’t think having COVId parties is a great idea, but this counter argument is way over the top

Well, how can one say it is over the top when five years down the road

Never, in the history of viruses, even serious COVId viruses, has there ever, ever, been a virus that resulted in people getting it, maybe showing symptoms, maybe not, maybe getting a bit sick, NOT ending up so sick that they even require hospitalization (as is the case with 99.99% of college aged kids let alone athletes), then 5 years later those same people developed “horrific” long term impacts.

it has simply never happened, and is also illogical. To imply that it should be a concern is preposterous panic porn.

Not five years later as the virus is only a year old, but plenty of evidence of previous healthy people having significant symptoms last months...

COVID-19 long haulers explained

UC Davis Health experts offer insights as to why some people experience long-term symptoms after contracting COVID-19.

health.ucdavis.edu

Medical community scrambles to understand COVID-19 'long haulers'

They’ve become known as "long haulers" -- people who’ve been infected with COVID-19 but can’t seem to rid their bodies of its effects months later. Their symptoms run the gamut, from shortness of breath to heart palpitations to extreme fatigue. And this mystery has the medical community...

www.pbs.org

 

[The Stan]

Never, in the history of viruses, even serious COVId viruses, has there ever, ever, been a virus that resulted in people getting it, maybe showing symptoms, maybe not, maybe getting a bit sick, NOT ending up so sick that they even require hospitalization (as is the case with 99.99% of college aged kids let alone athletes), then 5 years later those same people developed “horrific” long term impacts.

it has simply never happened, and is also illogical. To imply that it should be a concern is preposterous panic porn.

Hep C, human papilloma, herpes, chicken pox, among others

 

[82bordeaux]

Would have thought you a beer or bourbon guy.

That photo is dmm at 230 am or pm recently

It's been a long time since I was up at 2:30AM that did not involve peeing.
I was originally referencing when I was planning on watching the match.

Edit: and I do enjoy my IPAs, Bourbon, and Scotch. I'm well rounded. And becoming more so all the time.

 

[dunkej01]

It's been a long time since I was up at 2:30AM that did not involve peeing.
I was originally referencing when I was planning on watching the match.

Yeah I knew what you were saying. My point was the drink spilling all over.

Dmm is a notorious late night wine and message board flame thrower.

 

[aalion]

Well, how can one say it is over the top when five years down the road

Not five years later as the virus is only a year old, but plenty of evidence of previous healthy people having significant symptoms last months...

COVID-19 long haulers explained

UC Davis Health experts offer insights as to why some people experience long-term symptoms after contracting COVID-19.

health.ucdavis.edu

Medical community scrambles to understand COVID-19 'long haulers'

They’ve become known as "long haulers" -- people who’ve been infected with COVID-19 but can’t seem to rid their bodies of its effects months later. Their symptoms run the gamut, from shortness of breath to heart palpitations to extreme fatigue. And this mystery has the medical community...

www.pbs.org

Not from previously healthy people who had nothing but mild symptoms or less (as has been the case w 99% Of college aged people). Even the “long haulers” don’t claim that there symptoms got worse later. And there is very very significant debate about whether long COVId is any different from ongoing flu, pneumonia, SARS impacts or if it is fear generated. COVId “readmission” stats (I think about 10% of COVId hosptilizations end up back in after discharge) are used as evidence of long haul risk. No one ever mentions that flu hospitalization readmission is the same or higher. It is.

if someone wants to say “COVId parties are stupid even from people not really at risk of serious illness because 1) no one can be 100% sure of your risk category, and 2) we don’t know enough about the long term effects of the virus - likely similar to SARS but impossible to be sure”, that would be a reasoned, logical statement.

Saying elite college athletes should fear horrendous effects 5 years from now simply
Isn’t.

 

[82bordeaux]

Yeah I knew what you were saying. My point was the drink spilling all over.

Dmm is a notorious late night wine and message board flame thrower.

There have been a few times when I've awakened to a splitting headache and quickly checked this forum to see what I may have posted.

 

[PSUer1989]

Not from previously healthy people who had nothing but mild symptoms or less (as has been the case w 99% Of college aged people). Even the “long haulers” don’t claim that there symptoms got worse later. And there is very very significant debate about whether long COVId is any different from ongoing flu, pneumonia, SARS impacts or if it is fear generated. COVId “readmission” stats (I think about 10% of COVId hosptilizations end up back in after discharge) are used as evidence of long haul risk. No one ever mentions that flu hospitalization readmission is the same or higher. It is.

if someone wants to say “COVId parties are stupid even from people not really at risk of serious illness because 1) no one can be 100% sure of your risk category, and 2) we don’t know enough about the long term effects of the virus - likely similar to SARS but impossible to be sure”, that would be a reasoned, logical statement.

Saying elite college athletes should fear horrendous effects 5 years from now simply
Isn’t.

Yes, but no one knows what initial symptoms they will get. That is the point. Some 80 year olds are fine and some college kids die.

 

[aalion]

J

Hep C, human papilloma, herpes, chicken pox, among others

nice list. Hep C comes back, rarely. When it does it comes back within 6 months. Not 5 years, and we haven’t seen any horrendous effects of COVId returning worse that originally and we have been at this more than 6 months.

HPV doesn’t come back.

chicken pox comes back as shingles, which is not more “horrific” than the original by any stretch.

Herpes comes back but again isn’t more horrendous than original infection. It really isn’t “horrendous” at all.

 

[backdrft76]

I'm done with this thread. If anything Rutgers related comes up, can someone please start a new clean thread?? I don't wanna have to read thru all the COVID talk just to get to something of significance.

 

[82bordeaux]

I'm done with this thread. If anything Rutgers related comes up, can someone please start a new clean thread?? I don't wanna have to read thru all the COVID talk just to get to something of significance.

 

[7brwnpsu]

Bordeaux, do We even get the Big10 Network at the Cottage? I'm never there in the winter, I prefer the Lake in August.

Is Stand with Pride pulling an Aloysius
Mckeever in It Happened on 5th Ave?

Great Movie.

 

[PAHURDLER]

Never, in the history of viruses, even serious COVId viruses, has there ever, ever, been a virus that resulted in people getting it, maybe showing symptoms, maybe not, maybe getting a bit sick, NOT ending up so sick that they even require hospitalization (as is the case with 99.99% of college aged kids let alone athletes), then 5 years later those same people developed “horrific” long term impacts.

it has simply never happened, and is also illogical. To imply that it should be a concern is preposterous panic porn.

Have you seriously never heard of HIV? It’s been around for decades.

 

[NothingMeaningful]

My entire family has now had Covid. None of the grand kids really had any sickness, but several of the older people (myself included) did. I had a fever for the better part of three days and lost smell and taste for over a week. It seems like from our 23 person study that you should avoid it if you can, but not too big of a deal to most people if they do catch it.

How many people have to die before it becomes "too big of a deal?" Is 2,000,000 in the world a big deal yet? 300,000 in this country a big deal yet?

 

[Sportfan2017]

I’m also no doctor, but here is what I’ve heard.

No wear condom = regular kid.
Wear condom = lessened kid; only 4’10” fully grown.

So THAT explains the Brands I kid...I kid

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

Bordeaux, do We even get the Big10 Network at the Cottage? I'm never there in the winter, I prefer the Lake in August.

Is Stand with Pride pulling an Aloysius
Mckeever in It Happened on 5th Ave?

Great Movie.

I’m in the lakeside bedroom, some “company“ will be dropping by after the club closes, please let her in.

 

[Thenightking]

What the heck has happened to this thread? I have gotten both doses of the Moderna vaccine, second dose was a little nasty. Every body who can, get your freaking vaccine! It is very effective! As vaccines go , it is fantastic, and very effective! Now back to Rutgers, when can this be rescheduled so we can kick there ass!!!!

 

[82bordeaux]

I’m in the lakeside bedroom, some “company“ will be dropping by after the club closes, please let her in.

Speaking of "The Club", the parking lot was packed at 2:00 this afternoon when I went out to turn on the heat. Probably 30 cars in the parking lot. I wonder what their social distancing plan is?

 

[rmg78]

Ok, I know bc of Big10 protocols the Covid positive person/people are out the next 2 weeks but can, potentially, be back for the 29th. Is there a protocol in place for the remainder of the team? Did not pay much attention to football but are there any examples that can help in this situation?

 

[GogglesPaizano]

So does anyone really have an idea as to when the Penn State wrestling team would even qualify to get the vaccine?

Frontline medical personnel are getting priority then after that it's going to be high risk & elderly people.

Is it even within the realm of possibility that the whole wrestling team could get a vaccine say minimum of two weeks before the big ten tournament and be good to go thereafter, or are 20 year old athletes at the very bottom of the priority list and may not even be eligible until later this spring or even early summer.

Personally I'm more in the camp of a wait and see attitude relative to the vaccine and myself, but if we're to have a legitimate national championship tournament this year I don't see how it will work unless all the big name teams have the vaccine weeks in advance.

Only one positive test a few days before either of the tournaments could knock out five or six or more wrestlers just due to contact tracing.

 

[aalion]

Have you seriously never heard of HIV? It’s been around for decades.

That’s actually a pretty good example that disproves my hyperbole. I should have been more precise in my anger. Luckily there is no reason to believe COVId behaves like HIV - it does not attack the immune system which is what causes the latent huge risks of HIV/AIDS.
SARS and the other related coronaviruses have not shown any similar behaviors

 

[The Stan]

"HPV doesn’t come back"

OK, technically true that they don't go away, but they often persist and they typically don't have symptoms. But they are estimated to cause 34,000 cases of cancer in the US, often 10-20 years after initial infection.

 

[PAgeologist]

How many people have to die before it becomes "too big of a deal?" Is 2,000,000 in the world a big deal yet? 300,000 in this country a big deal yet?

I'll give you a number...it's enough when everybody who floods every God damn thread with COVID arguments drops dead. Will you people knock it the F off. Take it to the Dumpster Fire thread.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

How many people have to die before it becomes "too big of a deal?" Is 2,000,000 in the world a big deal yet? 300,000 in this country a big deal yet?

Are you sure an additional 300k died in 2020 over 2019? I show very close numbers between the two years? I'm more than certain the vast majority of Covid 19 deaths are people who were going to die anyway. If there were 300k deaths of young otherwise healthy people I would be very much a concerned person. You can't look at deaths from one cause without also taking into account total death rate. My family alone had 23 cases and zero deaths. I am not young and have many friends who have had Covid and none have died. I am concerned, but a person who ends up testing positive need not just assume it is a death sentence. It is not.

 

[Sportfan2017]

The answer is: 392,000
The Question is:
A. The number of people who have beaten Nico in the room
B. The Mat # of the Carton vs Pletcher match
C. The number of dead people who voted in the "Who is going 149?" Poll
D. The current number of people who have died from "It Shall Not be Named"
E. The number of Bullet holes in my corpse if PAgeologist finds me.

Please move my remains to the other thread. Actually.....since I plan on being cremated....just toss me in the dumpster fire
Smile Folks
Edit: Sorry....I was off by 100,000.........the answer is actually 392,000....... Shoot me again

 

[GogglesPaizano]

How many people have to die before it becomes "too big of a deal?" Is 2,000,000 in the world a big deal yet? 300,000 in this country a big deal yet?

61,000,000 would be a good start for the US I would say

 

[NothingMeaningful]

Are you sure an additional 300k died in 2020 over 2019? I show very close numbers between the two years? I'm more than certain the vast majority of Covid 19 deaths are people who were going to die anyway. If there were 300k deaths of young otherwise healthy people I would be very much a concerned person. You can't look at deaths from one cause without also taking into account total death rate. My family alone had 23 cases and zero deaths. I am not young and have many friends who have had Covid and none have died. I am concerned, but a person who ends up testing positive need not just assume it is a death sentence. It is not.

Excess deaths in the US are around 400,000.

 

[nerfstate]

Excess deaths in the US are around 400,000.

Did you know you can quote a post in one thread in a different thread? Hint hint.