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Match Thread Rutgers dual thread - Jan 24

Wow, that’s pathetic. Dude needs some significant help. I’ve never seen someone talk about another wrestler or wrestler’s family like that, thought the requirements of the sport would put anyone who’s done it beyond that type of indecency. Well…looks like SVN definitely made the right decision of not going to Rutgers.
Crackers would be a much better troll if he wasn't so quick to go straight for 5th grade level insults and threats.
 
I love me some C-Star quotes...on Nebraska

“I think those Nebraska guys are deceiving. They have a good crowd and the coaches get all fired up. When you look at their bench, everyone's standing up, and I'm just like, ‘this is not going to be a good match at all,’” Starocci said. “They try to make it a big deal, but for us, it's really not, just it's go in there, take care of business and leave.”

take care of business and leave
 
I love me some C-Star quotes...on Nebraska

“I think those Nebraska guys are deceiving. They have a good crowd and the coaches get all fired up. When you look at their bench, everyone's standing up, and I'm just like, ‘this is not going to be a good match at all,’” Starocci said. “They try to make it a big deal, but for us, it's really not, just it's go in there, take care of business and leave.”

take care of business and leave
Manning needs some tape on his mouth!
 
Michigan is brutal this year. Not only did they lose to Maryland, they got torched by Minnesota.
Not enough transfers. Probably not looking good moving forward either. Take a Michigan family tradition that spent 4 years learning to try to win every match with 1 offensive move now scoring multiple takedowns in a single match. Ann Arbor isn't looking like a quality destination anymore. For most quality transfers the choice will be Iowa for half a million or Oklahoma State and learn to actually wrestle.
 
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Not enough transfers. Probably not looking good moving forward either. Take a Michigan family tradition that spent 4 years learning to try to win every match with 1 offensive move now scoring multiple takedowns in a single match. Ann Arbor isn't looking like a quality destination anymore. For most quality transfers the choice will be Iowa for half a million or Oklhoma State and learn to actually wrestle.
It illustrates the problem with one year rentals being the main part of your team. You need to hit with 5 or 6 transfers each year to sustain success. Miss one year and you are irrelevant. I think Taylor is recruiting well enough to avoid this problem (because the Cowboys lose a LOT after this season), but you never know with recruits (unless you have a hit rate like Cael, which nobody has so far).
 
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Cael has a godly hit rate bc he also gets the most p4p recruits… other teams need to rely on portal bc they aren’t getting many top p4p guys and it’s probably a safer option to get a portal guy then to develop a wrestler ranked 30-100p4p.

That being said, Cael sets the meta. Get all the top guys, develop them, load management(no tournies), win nationals, rinse and repeat.
 
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Cael has a godly hit rate bc he also gets the most p4p recruits… other teams need to rely on portal bc they aren’t getting many top p4p guys and it’s probably a safer option to get a portal guy then to develop a wrestler ranked 30-100p4p.

That being said, Cael sets the meta. Get all the top guys, develop them, load management(no tournies), win nationals, rinse and repeat.
I mean, it's been broken down so many times already. Cael's record of achievement with top p4p wrestlers is vastly superior to anyone else's.
 
To be honest, I think Rutgers' near-win at Ohio State is better than Maryland's narrow win over Michigan.
Yeah, this. Michigan is total trash this year. Rutgers has the deepest team I’ve seen from them in a long time. They may qualify as many as 9 guys for nationals. It’s not going to help them against Penn State and they’ll be lucky to win even one on Friday, but for Rutgers, this is a good team.
 
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Yeah, this. Michigan is total trash this year. Rutgers has the deepest team I’ve seen from them in a long time. They may qualify as many as 9 guys for nationals. It’s not going to help them against Penn State and they’ll be lucky to win even one on Friday, but for Rutgers, this is a good team.
Maybe 10 once Kasak transfers there.
 
Have to be very careful against Shawver, who loves going big and putting people on their back.
My thoughts of Davis using horse racing terms.
Davis is far better as a front runner than a closer.
The typical Penn State wrestler who falls behind is not normally fazed by giving up a takedown and points early. They just continue to wrestle through the deficit by applying constant pressure. Nolf and Joseph were prime example of guys that got better as the match progressed.
 
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Not enough transfers. Probably not looking good moving forward either. Take a Michigan family tradition that spent 4 years learning to try to win every match with 1 offensive move now scoring multiple takedowns in a single match. Ann Arbor isn't looking like a quality destination anymore. For most quality transfers the choice will be Iowa for half a million or Oklahoma State and learn to actually wrestle.
Michigan is coming back down to Earth now that Will Lewan graduated!
 
My thoughts of Davis using horse racing terms.
Davis is far better as a front runner than a closer.
The typical Penn State wrestler who falls behind is not normally fazed by giving up a takedown and points early. They just continue to wrestle through the deficit by applying constant pressure. Nolf and Joseph were prime example of guys that got better as the match progressed.

This is just as reasonable a take as any, and my comment isn’t directed at you specifically. But it seems to me that Monday morning quarterbacking of elite wrestlers is easy and often wrong.

For those saying Davis panicked in the Nebraska dual and that’s what made him try to go big, it seems just as likely that he simply misjudged an opportunity to snatch back the momentum based on what he was seeing and feeling from Van Dee. He got it wrong and paid the price.

I just don’t think guys at his level "panic" very often, especially those under the tutelage of PSU’s Triple Cs.
 
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Yeah, this. Michigan is total trash this year. Rutgers has the deepest team I’ve seen from them in a long time. They may qualify as many as 9 guys for nationals. It’s not going to help them against Penn State and they’ll be lucky to win even one on Friday, but for Rutgers, this is a good team.
Has Rutgers ever had all 10 be elite?

Can't happen this year because Harer is a freshman.
 
Has Rutgers ever had all 10 be elite?

Can't happen this year because Harer is a freshman.
I think one year RU qualified all 10.. could be wrong and it was 9 but was either 9 or 10.. Harer is ranked like 32nd rn.. he will be on the bubble to qualify.
 
I think one year RU qualified all 10.. could be wrong and it was 9 but was either 9 or 10.. Harer is ranked like 32nd rn.. he will be on the bubble to qualify.
True frosh are typically still underrated at this point. I expect Harer will qualify once all is said and done, although he's certainly not a podium threat at this point in his career.
 
This is just as reasonable a take as any, and my comment isn’t directed at you specifically. But it seems to me that Monday morning quarterbacking of elite wrestlers is easy and often wrong.

For those saying Davis panicked in the Nebraska dual and that’s what made him try to go big, it seems just as likely that he simply misjudged an opportunity to snatch back the momentum based on what he was seeing and feeling from Van Dee. He got it wrong and paid the price.

I just don’t think guys at his level "panic" very often, especially those under the tutelage of PSU’s Triple Cs.
The problem with the take that he saw an opportunity and gave it a go is it was the worst attempt at a lateral drop I have seen in a long time. The technique was so poor it left me with the impression Braedon very rarely if at all plays around with upper body throws. If so, that was a panic move not a thoughtful high-risk high-reward attack.
 
It's odd for me, but I do not have disdain for any wrestling program other than Iowa. Mostly because of Brands. I enjoy watching how Penn State coaches and the team carry themselves.
A great example was I watched Levi shaking hands at end of the Missouri Dual. He had just lost a heartbreaker earlier to O'toole. He was smiling and laughed about something. It was something I didn't expect.
 
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It's odd for me, but I do not have disdain for any wrestling program other than Iowa. Mostly because of Brands. I enjoy watching how Penn State coaches and the team carry themselves.
A great example was I watched Levi shaking hands at end of the Missouri Dual. He had just lost a heartbreaker earlier to O'toole. He was smiling and laughed about something. It was something I didn't expect.
I think Levi is smiling and laughing all the time. It's like he puts his competitive face on for 7 minutes (little longer against O'Toole) and then he is back to smiling and laughing through life.
 
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