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I’ll leave the heavy analysis to those more knowledgeable than I, and just post a few random thoughts on the tournament.

  1. I drove up from Georgia. I liked the tournament a lot better before they moved it to Anchorage. Holy crap! 16 degrees and windy both mornings…not sure it got above 32 either day. Back-to-back 14 hour days for the poor parking lot attendant. At least, I assume it was the same guy…he looked like Kenny from South Park; all I could see was two eyes peering out from behind the hood of his parka. Same number of eyes…same guy, right? He should thaw out by early spring.

  2. Great event, but missed full representation from Oklahoma State, Cornell and Missouri. In addition to the competition level, I think the bright red (Cornell) and bright orange (Oklahoma State…sometimes) singlets added something to the tournament experience. At a glance, you’d know where to find a good match. Bold colors: Good. Generic dark colors: Meh. Purple: Ugh. Northern Iowa: Nice team…but no one looks good in purple. (With luck, Fairgambit from the McAndrew Board will search high and low to prove me wrong.)

  3. Jason Nolf will not be satisfied until he pins a guy using only his left ear and the power of suggestion.

  4. Wrestlers are unlikely to sustain an injury as the result of an overly firm post-match handshake.

  5. I sat in Section 102, Row N, Seat 16. I’m not at all confident that was a safe distance from a Rasheed cradle.

  6. Jarrod Verkleeren held up nicely among some pretty stiff competition.

  7. Stalling on the bottom. I’ll say this from the perspective of a guy who spent his brief and undistinguished junior high wrestling career with exactly three separate and distinct views in a wrestling match: 1) Brief eye contact with opponent. 2) The mat. 3) The ceiling. I’ve been warned for stalling on the bottom. And I have said to the ref (during and after the pin): “I don’t know if you’ve noticed this gentleman out here with me. He has complete control of my arms. He has complete control of my legs. If I had more body parts, I’m quite confident he’d be in complete control of those too. His full body weight is on my back. I haven’t breathed in about a minute and a half. I’d love to help you, but if you want me to be more “active”…he’s really the guy you should be talking to.” This came to mind during the Mueller/Harding final.

  8. Zain started and finished his entire semifinal match during a Verkleeren video review. For real.

  9. If you’re a Penn State fan, Darian Cruz should be no worse than your 11th favorite wrestler at nationals. (Edit: Oops. Just read the update on Spencer Lee.)

  10. Crossed paths with Matt McCutcheon on the second day, and told him I was sorry about his injury and hoped it would heal quickly. He couldn’t have been more pleasant, giving me a smile and an “I’m fine” in a way that suggested that, whatever the nature of his injury, he wasn’t about to jump off a bridge over it.

  11. Interesting conversation in the concessions line with the father/step-father (couldn’t quite hear that part) of Russell Rohlfing of CSU-Bakersfield, who had been on the business end of a Nick Lee onslaught the first day. The dad said he asked Russell what happened…did you not prepare well?...didn’t feel right?...what’s the story? He said Russell told him Nick put more forward pressure on him than anyone else he had ever wrestled, and he just couldn’t get to his offense. I have no idea what that means, but it sounded like a compliment to Nick.

  12. Pretty sure David Taylor’s parents haven’t missed a Scuffle since it moved to Chattanooga.

  13. Finally talked JonZ (McAndrew Board human scoreboard for wrestling/volleyball/soccer, etc.) into attending a Scuffle. JonZ proudly sings along with the national anthem. Or tuberculosis is making a comeback. I’m not sure which. I do know that a family of four in front of us renounced their U.S. citizenship on the spot the moment JonZ finished “…and the home of the brave…..” Let’s be clear. I admire JonZ’s patriotism. But JonZ: the next time you’re moved to sing along with the anthem, please take a moment to reflect on one or more of the serious problems in this country…or maybe even cold weather in Chattanooga…and take a knee in protest. SILENT protest. I’ll have your back.

  14. Freshman DeSanto from Drexel might end up being your 12th favorite wrestler at nationals.

  15. Thomas Haines (Lock Haven-6th place) and Nick Nevills (4th place) stood next to each other on the podium. There was no apparent PDA. (Haines went upper body with Butler of Stanford off the whistle in their consolation round match, and was pinned and in pain within 12 seconds.)

  16. JonZ has a soccer update: The season ended a month ago. No one has scored yet. Sort of like an Iowa….no, I just won’t go there. WildTurk may be watching…..

SR/BHF
 
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BHF23 said:
I’ll leave the heavy analysis to those more knowledgeable than I, and just post a few random thoughts on the tournament.

  1. I drove up from Georgia. I liked the tournament a lot better before they moved it to Anchorage. Holy crap! 16 degrees and windy both mornings…not sure it got above 32 either day. Back-to-back 14 hour days for the poor parking lot attendant. At least, I assume it was the same guy…he looked like Kenny from South Park; all I could see was two eyes peering out from behind the hood of his parka. Same number of eyes…same guy, right? He should thaw out by early spring.

  2. Great event, but missed full representation from Oklahoma State, Cornell and Missouri. In addition to the competition level, I think the bright red (Cornell) and bright orange (Oklahoma State…sometimes) singlets added something to the tournament experience. At a glance, you’d know where to find a good match. Bold colors: Good. Generic dark colors: Meh. Purple: Ugh. Northern Iowa: Nice team…but no one looks good in purple. (With luck, Fairgambit from the McAndrew Board will search high and low to prove me wrong.)

  3. Jason Nolf will not be satisfied until he pins a guy using only his left ear and the power of suggestion.

  4. Wrestlers are unlikely to sustain an injury as the result of an overly firm post-match handshake.

  5. I sat in Section 102, Row N, Seat 16. I’m not at all confident that was a safe distance from a Rasheed cradle.

  6. Jarrod Verkleeren held up nicely among some pretty stiff competition.

  7. Stalling on the bottom. I’ll say this from the perspective of a guy who spent his brief and undistinguished junior high wrestling career with exactly three separate and distinct views in a wrestling match: 1) Brief eye contact with opponent. 2) The mat. 3) The ceiling. I’ve been warned for stalling on the bottom. And I have said to the ref (during and after the pin): “I don’t know if you’ve noticed this gentleman out here with me. He has complete control of my arms. He has complete control of my legs. If I had more body parts, I’m quite confident he’d be in complete control of those too. His full body weight is on my back. I haven’t breathed in about a minute and a half. I’d love to help you, but if you want me to be more “active”…he’s really the guy you should be talking to.” This came to mind during the Mueller/Harding final.

  8. Zain started and finished his entire semifinal match during a Verkleeren video review. For real.

  9. If you’re a Penn State fan, Darian Cruz should be no worse than you’re 11th favorite wrestler at nationals. (Edit: Oops. Just read the update on Spencer Lee.)

  10. Crossed paths with Matt McCutcheon on the second day, and told him I was sorry about his injury and hoped it would heal quickly. He couldn’t have been more pleasant, giving me a smile and an “I’m fine” in a way that suggested that, whatever the nature of his injury, he wasn’t about to jump off a bridge over it.

  11. Interesting conversation in the concessions line with the father/step-father (couldn’t quite hear that part) of Russell Rohlfing of CSU-Bakersfield, who had been on the business end of a Nick Lee onslaught the first day. The dad said he asked Russell what happened…did you not prepare well?...didn’t feel right?...what’s the story? He said Russell told him Nick put more forward pressure on him than anyone else he had ever wrestled, and he just couldn’t get to his offense. I have no idea what that means, but it sounded like a compliment to Nick.

  12. Pretty sure David Taylor’s parents haven’t missed a Scuffle since it moved to Chattanooga.

  13. Finally talked JonZ (McAndrew Board human scoreboard for wrestling/volleyball/soccer, etc.) into attending a Scuffle. JonZ proudly sings along with the national anthem. Or tuberculosis is making a comeback. I’m not sure which. I do know that a family of four in front of us renounced their U.S. citizenship on the spot the moment JonZ finished “…and the home of the brave…..” Let’s be clear. I admire JonZ’s patriotism. But JonZ: the next time you’re moved to sing along with the anthem, please take a moment to reflect on one or more of the serious problems in this country…or maybe even cold weather in Chattanooga…and take a knee in protest. SILENT protest. I’ll have your back.

  14. Freshman DeSanto from Drexel might end up being your 12th favorite wrestler at nationals.

  15. Thomas Haines (Lock Haven-6th place) and Nick Nevills (4th place) stood next to each other on the podium. There was no apparent PDA. (Haines went upper body with Butler of Stanford off the whistle in their consolation round match, and was pinned and in pain within 12 seconds.)

  16. JonZ has a soccer update: The season ended a month ago. No one has scored yet. Sort of like an Iowa….no, I just won’t go there. WildTurk may be watching…..

SR/BHF
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That's some good and funny stuff, BHF. You really ought to up your message output. I mean 83 messages since 2005, when you got game like that, ain't setting the world on fire, and Lord knows, some post way more than that, and we wish they only had 6 messages a year.
 
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BHF23 said:
... I think the bright red (Cornell) and bright orange (Oklahoma State…sometimes) singlets added something to the tournament experience. At a glance, you’d know ... Bold colors: Good. Generic dark colors: Meh. Purple: Ugh. ...
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Along those lines, I like warm-up suits that are easily recognizable--for example, Iowa's, Lehigh's, and Okie State's. With distinctive suits, when we look at a photo of all the national champs, we can easily count how many each school had. I think the PSU warm-ups are not distinctive enough, in contrast to their very stylish and distinctive singlets. ... Can we ask Spyker to design something nicer? :)
 
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I’ll leave the heavy analysis to those more knowledgeable than I, and just post a few random thoughts on the tournament.



  3. Jason Nolf will not be satisfied until he pins a guy using only his left ear and the power of suggestion.

  4. Wrestlers are unlikely to sustain an injury as the result of an overly firm post-match handshake.

  5. I sat in Section 102, Row N, Seat 16. I’m not at all confident that was a safe distance from a Rasheed cradle.

  6. Jarrod Verkleeren held up nicely among some pretty stiff competition.

  7. Stalling on the bottom. I’ll say this from the perspective of a guy who spent his brief and undistinguished junior high wrestling career with exactly three separate and distinct views in a wrestling match: 1) Brief eye contact with opponent. 2) The mat. 3) The ceiling. I’ve been warned for stalling on the bottom. And I have said to the ref (during and after the pin): “I don’t know if you’ve noticed this gentleman out here
SR/BHF
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With all the comedy, by the time I reached point 6, I wasn't sure I if I was reading another punchline.
 
Dogwelder said:
Along those lines, I like warm-up suits that are easily recognizable--for example, Iowa's, Lehigh's, and Okie State's. With distinctive suits, when we look at a photo of all the national champs, we can easily count how many each school had. I think the PSU warm-ups are not distinctive enough, in contrast to their very stylish and distinctive singlets. ... Can we ask Spyker to design something nicer? :)
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You thinking a sequined jump suit with maybe a little neon?;) Personally I'm good with being a little understated.
 
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Used2BEerie said:
You thinking a sequined jump suit with maybe a little neon?;) Personally I'm good with being a little understated.
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Here is an example of a blue suit with a white belt for possible reference: ;)

edit: not pictured: blue suede wrestling shoes

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Hard to believe Nolf still has another year of college eligibility. I think even though IMar pulled off the rematch against Nolf to keep him from his 4th title, Nolf will find himself in the conversation as the NCAA GOAT.

If he continues this years dominance into next, with only 1 loss in his career in the finals to another 3timer (who he pinned and gave his first loss Of his career also in Martinez), Nolf's unparalleled dominance will set him apart from a lot of the other 3 and even 4 timers. Zain is on that level of dominance but only for last 2 seasons of his 3 titles. Nolf will have dominated in all 3 of his title seasons, and actually did his freshman season save IMar.

Truly remarkable what he's doing. 12 pins and 1 tech in 13 matches? Seriously?? That's insane for a 3rd grader. He's doing that at the highest level of D1 competition, it's insane. And he's the only wrestler I've seen who looks Iike he's practicing finish moves for the first time in actual matches that count. Take my leg here...I'm gonna see how to pin you differently from this position... truly unreal and a treat to watch.

Lastly...who ya got with Zain against Nolf? I got Nolf.
 
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BFosr1 said:
Hard to believe Nolf still has another year of college eligibility. I think even though IMar pulled off the rematch against Nolf to keep him from his 4th title, Nolf will find himself in the conversation as the NCAA GOAT.

If he continues this years dominance into next, with only 1 loss in his career in the finals to another 3timer (who he pinned and gave his first loss Of his career also in Martinez), Nolf's unparalleled dominance will set him apart from a lot of the other 3 and even 4 timers. Zain is on that level of dominance but only for last 2 seasons of his 3 titles. Nolf will have dominated in all 3 of his title seasons, and actually did his freshman season save IMar.

Truly remarkable what he's doing. 12 pins and 1 tech in 13 matches? Seriously?? That's insane for a 3rd grader. He's doing that at the highest level of D1 competition, it's insane. And he's the only wrestler I've seen who looks Iike he's practicing finish moves for the first time in actual matches that count. Take my leg here...I'm gonna see how to pin you differently from this position... truly unreal and a treat to watch.

Lastly...who ya got with Zain against Nolf? I got Nolf.
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fwiw, two losses, both to IMar, one at B1Gs, one at NCAAs.

Also, I think the conversation about the NCAA GOAT begins with Nolf's coach. And ends with Nolf's coach.
 
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BFosr1 said:
Hard to believe Nolf still has another year of college eligibility. I think even though IMar pulled off the rematch against Nolf to keep him from his 4th title, Nolf will find himself in the conversation as the NCAA GOAT.

If he continues this years dominance into next, with only 1 loss in his career in the finals to another 3timer (who he pinned and gave his first loss Of his career also in Martinez), Nolf's unparalleled dominance will set him apart from a lot of the other 3 and even 4 timers. Zain is on that level of dominance but only for last 2 seasons of his 3 titles. Nolf will have dominated in all 3 of his title seasons, and actually did his freshman season save IMar.

Truly remarkable what he's doing. 12 pins and 1 tech in 13 matches? Seriously?? That's insane for a 3rd grader. He's doing that at the highest level of D1 competition, it's insane. And he's the only wrestler I've seen who looks Iike he's practicing finish moves for the first time in actual matches that count. Take my leg here...I'm gonna see how to pin you differently from this position... truly unreal and a treat to watch.

Lastly...who ya got with Zain against Nolf? I got Nolf.
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Nolf has 2 losses, to IMar in the B10 and NCAA finals as a frosh.
 
Dogwelder said:
Along those lines, I like warm-up suits that are easily recognizable--for example, Iowa's, Lehigh's, and Okie State's. With distinctive suits, when we look at a photo of all the national champs, we can easily count how many each school had. I think the PSU warm-ups are not distinctive enough, in contrast to their very stylish and distinctive singlets. ... Can we ask Spyker to design something nicer? :)
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Black bathrobes.
 
86PSUPaul said:
BHF23 has an insane like to post percentage. I am thrilled to be close to 50%. he is off the chart the other way, 1002%?!. And darn funny too!
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Don't know him personally, but I'm pretty sure that poster has been around for a while, and posted under another screen name or two, most often on the McAndrew board. No doubt, a really smart guy, with some great humor thrown in....definitely worth reading.
 
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