As it stands I have it the same as you Parris, Hendrickson, Schultz, Kerk and Cass. So by formula arguably the 3 best 285's all on the same side. Certainly a case where you hope the within 3 points challenge plays a role.
Super Early NCAA Seed Predictions
- Thread starter CSauertiegPSU
- Start date
If Schultz is ahead of Kerk then the formula is irreparably broken and needs to be fixed. There’s just no logical argument for that.
I would be genuinely floored if Kerkvliet was below 3. It would be a travesty.
Likewise if Schultz is ahead of Cass. The only argument there is that Schultz won a 1-man conference tournament.
Win % is a stupid category. RPI and weighted quality wins are much better measurements. (Those are the overall counterbalances, which means they're diluted by Win %.)
Likewise the coaches poll. (Or more accurately, Interns' Poll.) Any coaches actually take the time during the qualification tournaments to understand those results?
I'm believe Kerk's 2 wins over Cassioppi put him over the top for a 2nd seed. I have it like intermatwrestle's new rankings.
1. Parris
2. Kerk
3. Cassioppi
4. Schultz
5. Hendrickson
While I'm at it: Conference Placement is also a stupid category. See Schultz.
Maybe it makes sense as part of at-large allocation. Maybe. But not for seeding.
Maybe it makes sense as part of at-large allocation. Maybe. But not for seeding.
Needs to be weighted. Finishing 2nd in the SoCon shouldn’t trump 3rd in the Big Ten.
I'm not done venting ...
The category scoring thresholds are stupid too. Make them proportional to the results.
Meaning: let's say Quality Wins -- A = 9, B = 6. A should get (9/15) of that category's points. Not some artificial threshold.
Guessing that the scoring thresholds were designed to prevent sim ties. But that risk disappears with proportional scoring.
The category scoring thresholds are stupid too. Make them proportional to the results.
Meaning: let's say Quality Wins -- A = 9, B = 6. A should get (9/15) of that category's points. Not some artificial threshold.
Guessing that the scoring thresholds were designed to prevent sim ties. But that risk disappears with proportional scoring.
Or even 6th in the Big 10
Eliminated. Maybe some years/weights, 2nd SoCon actually is better.
It'll be rare, but non-zero. Why is that pre-determined?
Also, it hurts guys when other teams send out a back up or forfeit so a wrestler doesn’t get a chance for a QW. If Iowa St didn’t forfeit against Penn St, Kerk gets a QW against Schuyler. It’s also a high tier QW because Schuyler is ranked 3rd in RPI.
Same situation with Schultz last year. Nomad is big on counting a match where one high profile opponent shows up and the other didn't as a L for the no show.
But using that logic, Brooks and RBY should have multiple losses this year then, where do you draw the line?
I’m giving my predictions. I’m not a formula expert but will be interesting if what I think happens will happen
RBY 1
Bartlett 6
Van Ness 14
Haines 2
Facundo 13
Carter 1
Brooks 3
Dean 8
Kerk 2
If AB had RPI or hadn’t lost to Coleman he’d be clear 1. Interested to see if they put him 1
RBY 1
Bartlett 6
Van Ness 14
Haines 2
Facundo 13
Carter 1
Brooks 3
Dean 8
Kerk 2
If AB had RPI or hadn’t lost to Coleman he’d be clear 1. Interested to see if they put him 1
Guessing Hidlay is the one most upset about Brooks being 3
Here's a quick and dirty look at Kerk/Schultz, wins over top 33 wrestlers according to intermat(I know meaningless, but all I got until tonight). Does Pitzers loss count since he redshirted? Bold is a common opponent. I'm sure I missed some.
Schultz loses to Pitzer(RS) and Nevills
#6 Sam Schuyler
#7 Elam
#11 Owen Trephan
#12 Colton Mckiernan
#13 Tyrell Gordon
#22 Boone Mcdermitt
#25 Nathan Taylor 3-2
Kirk loses to Parris twice
#3 Cassioppi
#3 Cassioppi
#9 Hilger
#16 Orndorff
#24 Jacob Bullock
#25 Nathan Taylor TF
Schultz loses to Pitzer(RS) and Nevills
#6 Sam Schuyler
#7 Elam
#11 Owen Trephan
#12 Colton Mckiernan
#13 Tyrell Gordon
#22 Boone Mcdermitt
#25 Nathan Taylor 3-2
Kirk loses to Parris twice
#3 Cassioppi
#3 Cassioppi
#9 Hilger
#16 Orndorff
#24 Jacob Bullock
#25 Nathan Taylor TF
Agreed.
Also -- and I can't believe I'm saying something in Schultz's defense: his QW shouldn't be lowered by Fernandes getting injured weeks later.
There's little doubt a healthy Fernandes qualifies. I'm not sure what the right answer is, maybe include against all RPI eligible wrestlers regardless of being a qualifier?
Open to ideas, though I'd want the rule to still count wins over qualifiers without an RPI. Let's not punish Coleman to reward Schultz.
That's not a bad idea toward Quality Wins, in which case it's not a loss for Brooks or RBY or Schultz.
But tracking that (toward any category) would be labor intensive.
Did he send you that in your DMs?
Yes, the Pitzer loss counts toward Win %.
If Schultz had beaten Pitzer, it would count toward Win % but not Quality Wins.
Schultz also beat the Pac 12 runner-up and (IIRC) Stefanik, both got at larges.
Also, win % gets lowered for losing multiple times to the same opponent but you don’t get additional QW’s for beating the same opponent. I a conference like the Big 10, this matters.
Are you sure about this in QW?
If so, that's moronic. Wait, no, moronic is too smart. It would be cretinous.
It is stated in this 2018 article on Flo where Nomad breaks down the seeding process. He states “The other important thing to remember is that quality wins only count one time. This means Myles Martin has three wins over Dom Abounader, but he only gets “credit” for one. So who really knows how quality wins work”
He could be wrong but that’s the only info I can find about it.
How Does The NCAA Seeding Process Work? - FloWrestling
A brief explanation of how the NCAA determines the seeds for the national tournament.
Last edited:
Obviously everybody here knows AB is the best guy at 184, but any seed weirdness is 100% his fault. He's the one who lost and he's the one who didn't wrestle enough, so it's not worth getting mad over (plus it won't matter anyway).
Except for complete screw ups in seeding, these conversations are entertaining but barely relevant. Bottom line: our wrestlers can only win each match one at a time. Beat the guy in front of you and move up. If you lose a match, work to keep winning and finish at an odd number. 1st, 3rd, 5th...
As a team we will be having top placements from our wrestlers. Cael and our great staff will have everyone ready to keep the momentum going and to wrestle with joy and gratitude. Every PSU wrestler will be a very tough out in every round.
WE ARE... blessed, spoiled and lucky. Share the gratitude.
THE REST ARE DOOMED TO HOPE TO GET A TOKEN TROPHY.
THE B1G AND THE NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHIES AND BANNERS HAVE SPACES RESERVED IN STATE COLLEGE. SMILES ALL AROUND.
Don't believe that to be true. When the definition in the Pre-Championship Manual for Win % is...
"Win % is defined as Division I wins divided by total Division I matches contested.", it is doubtful they would define it differently for QW. Who knows, but my gut and brain are telling me it doesn't sound correct to define the same metric two ways.
I haven't seen any angry posts about AB potentially getting the 3 seed. You're absolutely correct, his seed won't matter to him. (But it will to his opponents on his side of the bracket.)
Until the NCAA releases their “3 ring binder” we will never know the true criteria. Less than 2 hours until the brackets are released!
For sure. There's really only one thing to worry about for AB and that's a nightmare R2 draw (Assad).
I've had nightmares the past three nights about this happening.
Seedlings will be what they are, reminds me of a Christmas tourney in which we competed with Cedar Cliff against Northampton in their hay day, habitually Cedar Cliff would be paired against Northampton which infuriated Coach Craig , after seeding meeting, coach Craig stormed out of meeting, without missing a beat, our coach spoke up to Coach Craig, hey coach, u know what your problem is, you didn’t get the tourney chair a Christmas present, Coach Craig stopped for a moment and then stormed down hallway, lol
I want to see the correct seedings,but if wrong no matter you have to beat all to win the title!
Use compost to provide a base layer, water heavily but infrequently, and add lime to compensate for the acidic PA soil.
Hell, almost all of the time finishing 3rd in the Big10 should trump winning the SoCon.
Similar threads
