ASU vs. PSU
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Penn State vs. Arizona State match info
When: 6 p.m. Friday
Where: Rec Hall, Penn State
How to watch: On television on ESPN2, online at ESPN3
How to listen: On the radio at State College’s ESPN Radio 1450, or online on LionVision (play-by-play by Jeff Byers)
How to follow: Live scoring at trackwrestling.com, and on Twitter @pennstateWREST, @byncobler and @lmuth1259
When: 6 p.m. Friday
Where: Rec Hall, Penn State
How to watch: On television on ESPN2, online at ESPN3
How to listen: On the radio at State College’s ESPN Radio 1450, or online on LionVision (play-by-play by Jeff Byers)
How to follow: Live scoring at trackwrestling.com, and on Twitter @pennstateWREST, @byncobler and @lmuth1259
Here is FLOs answer as to why he is not yet ranked:
https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6288641-when-can-roman-bravo-young-get-ranked
If that's the case we'll be up 15-0 before 125 takes the mat.
I'll see your 15 and raise you to 16.
call me anything you want but I like how Schnupp is progressing and think everyone just dismisses him .. the guy has heart and skills and has progressively gotten strong enough to start finishing shots ...coming from the environment he wrestles in, the heart he has and the good possibility of wrestling someone who is a bit overconfident I willing to give him a shot at Milhaud
Man...I don't see what some of you guys are seeing at 33, 65, and 74.
At 33, RBY is a really talented kid. Doesn't matter that he's a true frosh nor does it matter that he's not ranked. He's a stud. Millhoff is good, but he's not weighing in at 25 and challenging RBY at 33. If he is, then RBY isn't the strong AA contender that most think he is. Millhoff is ranked 5th at 25...? If he were ranked 5th at 33, I would expect it to be a close match with RBY. But being ranked 5th at a weight class below?!?! RBY should win going away.
At 65, both Shields and VJ are Pittsburgh-area kids. No doubt they've scrapped countless times at Young Guns or other club practices. I doubt that there will be any surprises. But, I also doubt that this match will be anything but VJ big-brothering Shields.
At 74, I think it'll be close and could go either way. If the duel is truly starting at 184, I don't think that Cael did it for the good of the sport or to keep the fans in their seats. I think that it would've been done because this is the way that the match can most closely replicate the situation- as it relates to Zahid's weight and recovery time- of the NCAA Finals. I know that everyone says that ZV doesn't have trouble making 74, but he looked awfully big on Saturday night in March. Allowing him the maximum amount of recovery time ensures that the version of ZV that Hall wrestles on Friday night in Rec Hall will be most similar to the version that he'll have to beat on Saturday night in PPG Paints Arena. For Cael, everything is about those Three Days in March.
At 33, RBY is a really talented kid. Doesn't matter that he's a true frosh nor does it matter that he's not ranked. He's a stud. Millhoff is good, but he's not weighing in at 25 and challenging RBY at 33. If he is, then RBY isn't the strong AA contender that most think he is. Millhoff is ranked 5th at 25...? If he were ranked 5th at 33, I would expect it to be a close match with RBY. But being ranked 5th at a weight class below?!?! RBY should win going away.
At 65, both Shields and VJ are Pittsburgh-area kids. No doubt they've scrapped countless times at Young Guns or other club practices. I doubt that there will be any surprises. But, I also doubt that this match will be anything but VJ big-brothering Shields.
At 74, I think it'll be close and could go either way. If the duel is truly starting at 184, I don't think that Cael did it for the good of the sport or to keep the fans in their seats. I think that it would've been done because this is the way that the match can most closely replicate the situation- as it relates to Zahid's weight and recovery time- of the NCAA Finals. I know that everyone says that ZV doesn't have trouble making 74, but he looked awfully big on Saturday night in March. Allowing him the maximum amount of recovery time ensures that the version of ZV that Hall wrestles on Friday night in Rec Hall will be most similar to the version that he'll have to beat on Saturday night in PPG Paints Arena. For Cael, everything is about those Three Days in March.
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Just guessing here, but I think the starting and stopping weights were in response to ESPN saying this is how we would like to televise the match.
You and I are 100 percent in agreement on 133 and 165.
Agree with everything you said, especially about 133. Find it hard to believe Millhoff can give up close to 8 pounds and beat RBY.
The only way Arizona State might have a chance to win is if they legally change the names of all wrestlers not named Zahid to Buster Douglas.
I like the intrigue of this bumping thing. Zeke recruited RBY hard, so you have to think he knows what RBY has.
I would also think RBY and millhoff have had live gos in the ASU room. So again you have to think Zeke has a gut feeling how this will go.
So im puzzled with this rumor. I love it but Im still a little puzzled.
I would also think RBY and millhoff have had live gos in the ASU room. So again you have to think Zeke has a gut feeling how this will go.
So im puzzled with this rumor. I love it but Im still a little puzzled.
Maybe, but Zeke has no idea what RBY now looks like, after spending the entire summer in the Penn State Wrestling Room.
Wait a minute. I thought we were wrestling Arizona State. When the heck did they replace ASU with Rutgers?The only way Arizona State might have a chance to win is if they legally change the names of all wrestlers not named Zahid to Buster Douglas.
Sometimes being a little puzzled is great end of the day. Just don't drive puzzled.
Ahh the room bump. Maybe that is where the flying karate squirrel kid move came from.
My son and I are bringing two rookies with us......a father and his 10 year old son. Dad knows zip about wrestling. Don watches PSU on YouTube
What time would the team be in the room prior to the match? Where is the bedt place to get autographs afterward? I was going to go to FTH for some beer........what sacrifice for youth wrestling
What time would the team be in the room prior to the match? Where is the bedt place to get autographs afterward? I was going to go to FTH for some beer........what sacrifice for youth wrestling
I'm telling you right now milhoff could come in weighing 133 and he still isn't beating RBY. This kid is right there. Carl put him out there because he is that good .
Maybe I’m overthinking this, but I think that can be an advantage for Valencia. Valencia is a pretty big 174 which leads to speculation he cuts a lot of weight. I think the more time between weigh-in and the 174 match (close to 3 hours, perhaps?) favors Valencia to recover from the cut and be at full strength. In the National Championship last year, he weighed-in in the morning and had the rest of the day to replenish.
I just don’t see them bumping up to 33. That’s a lot of weight to give up. I think the extra pounds puts 133 as a pick’em. That’s not in Millhoff’s best interest, imo. If he wins, he should have. If he loses, it’s to an unranked true freshman.
There’s no road ASU can take that ends in a dual win, so is it worth it? It’s not about giving fans a show. It’s about giving your wrestlers their best chance to win their match.
There’s no road ASU can take that ends in a dual win, so is it worth it? It’s not about giving fans a show. It’s about giving your wrestlers their best chance to win their match.
Can anyone provide confirmation (e.g., weblink) that the dual is starting at 184? I did a quick search and didn't find anything. Maybe I missed something though. Makes sense to start it there, but usually this kind of thing isn't decided until just before the meet starts. And Cael is often reluctant to modify the order.
ASU discussion of the dual and matchups:
https://thesundevils.com/news/2018/...-to-face-no-1-penn-state-friday-on-espn2.aspx
https://thesundevils.com/news/2018/...-to-face-no-1-penn-state-friday-on-espn2.aspx
The rubber match of the series:
Arizona State/Penn State Dual History
(Sun Devils 3-3-1 all-time vs. Nittany Lions)
Jan. 7, 1989 – Arizona State 19, Penn State 19 (National Duals – Virginia)
Jan. 12, 1990 – Arizona State 25, Penn State 12 (National Duals – Virginia)
Jan. 11, 1991 – Penn State 25, Arizona State 11 (National Duals – Virginia)
Jan. 27, 1991 – Arizona State 21, Penn State 20 (Norman, Okla.)
Jan. 23, 1993 – Penn State 20, Arizona State 15 (National Duals – Nebraska)
Jan. 16, 1999 – Arizona State 23, Penn State 13 (National Duals – Iowa)
Jan. 21, 2001 – Penn State 19, Arizona State 16 (National Duals – State College, Pa.)
Arizona State/Penn State Dual History
(Sun Devils 3-3-1 all-time vs. Nittany Lions)
Jan. 7, 1989 – Arizona State 19, Penn State 19 (National Duals – Virginia)
Jan. 12, 1990 – Arizona State 25, Penn State 12 (National Duals – Virginia)
Jan. 11, 1991 – Penn State 25, Arizona State 11 (National Duals – Virginia)
Jan. 27, 1991 – Arizona State 21, Penn State 20 (Norman, Okla.)
Jan. 23, 1993 – Penn State 20, Arizona State 15 (National Duals – Nebraska)
Jan. 16, 1999 – Arizona State 23, Penn State 13 (National Duals – Iowa)
Jan. 21, 2001 – Penn State 19, Arizona State 16 (National Duals – State College, Pa.)
I remember the '01 match well. Heroics by Knupp, Heckard, and Bob Jones pulled that match out. Sent us off to get some steaks in Boalsburg on a high note. Come back in the evening session to get smashed by Oklahoma!
The next day we got smashed by Lehigh and the bad blood between Josh Moore and Clendenin started. Josh exacted sweet revenge beautifully at Rec Hall the next year, and Scott Moore bumped up to 149 to deck Tommy Rohn (I think). I can't find that home match against Lehigh on the Penn State wrestling club site (Josh Moore decking Clendenin at 133). But it happened.
But that was long before the invention of wrestling in 2011, so the record books may be a little sketchy.
(Edit: Found the Moore-Clendenin, Moore-Rohn matches. 1/5/2003)
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Was that the duel in which Moore had a body scissors so tight around Clendenin's waist that it caused Clendenin to spew his post-weigh-in meal onto the mat? I remember watching that match on TV, but I have no idea what station would have covered it.
I believe you're thinking of Scott Moore vs. Ennis when Moore had transferred to UVA. Televised on Fox Sports Net. I was just talking about this match @ the HR recently, which is why it's fresh in my memory. Puke around the 17-min mark:
Starting weight is not determined until after weigh-ins, by rule.
The coaches must MUTUALLY AGREE to start at a certain weight, otherwise it's a RANDOM DRAW. In either event, once the starting weight is determined, the progression of bouts is in weight class order, no exceptions.
Some examples;
(1) Cael and Zeke can agree to start at 125. Match starts at 125, finishes at 285.
(2) Cael and Zeke can agree to start at 184. Match starts at 184, finishes at 174.
(3) Cael and Zeke can't agree on a starting weight, there is a random draw, which determines the starting weight.
Slush is correct on the spewage part. However, Josh Moore's pin of Clendenin was pretty brutal. There was some bad blood between the two and Josh was a very hard dude. I recall they had split a couple matches the previous few years at 125. There were some extracurriculars during the match at Nat Duals at Bryce Jordan. Josh got the final say in their last match. Clendenin bumped up to '33 and Josh Moore brutalized and pinned him. Sorry, getting off topic!!
Mark has to beat him in March when Zahid has 10 hours to eat, so beating him tonight after 3 hours better be achievable.
Only that his MO is a preferred start at 125. When a match doesn't, I'm confident saying it was the opposing coach that couldn't agree. Again, that's Cael's history, and I won't pretend to understand all that happens. Could the TV folks make a request of both coaches? Could Cael make an exception if Zeke suggests a 184 start? All are possibilities, I suspect.
I'm skeptical of Milhof bumping up to '33, but assuming it's being considered, I would think the starting weight could affect that decision. If it starts at '84 and they're down by a couple touchdowns already, it wouldn't make much sense unless Zeke just wants to challenge Milhof a bit.
I didn't see Josh Shields as a huge '57 lber, but he's up at '65. So is Anthony Valencia redshirting?
I didn't see Josh Shields as a huge '57 lber, but he's up at '65. So is Anthony Valencia redshirting?
That's what I thought Cael preferred. Either way there will be some good wrestling to look forward to.
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