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B1G Championships Session 1 Thread

Does Jason go tonight?

What are people's guesses?

I bet he's lobbying the coaches hard, but Cael may sit him with eyes on the BIG prize in two weeks.


I have zero idea.

I would bet the trainer & coaches are carefully looking over that knee during this break.

Any sign of soreness or swelling, I bet they pull the plug.
 
In semifinals tonight, PSU is favored by seed in 7 of their 8 (Nevills is underdog) while tOSU is favored in 6 of their 9 (S. Lee over NATO, Kemerer over M. Jordan and Zain over Hayes).

In Consolations, Campbell (tOSU) wrestles Alex Marinelli #2. For PSU, Carson Kuhn wrestles Sebastian Rivera #4 and Corey Keener wrestles #12 Jenz Lantz.
You forgot Nolf vs Cael (does he make Nolf MFF out). lol!
Seriously, even in matches where they're favored, tOSU has more difficult matches. Pletcher-McKee, BoJo-Amine, MyMar-Abounader, even Moore-Beasley are tough matches.
 
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Can a non-wrestling expert get some help here. We have 8 in semis and 2 alive in cons. osu 9 and 1. They are up 4.5 pts, but yet max possible is identical, per psu web site. what I am I missing? thx

That “max points possible” can be a little misleading because it is based on mathematical formula that it is “possible” that all wrestlers can all pin their way thru the remaining tournament. And that’s basically impossible.

It reads “240 max” but neither team will get close to 200.


A better barometer is:
1. How many in semis?
2. How many are favorites ?
 
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I'm not one for braggadocio, but the fact that the Brands enable guys like Gilman to do the kind of shit that Massa did after that match, and watching Massa flex right at the Iowa corner after the win makes me laugh. HR is talking how they think Massa is some mega douche but would fall all over themselves to say how much they love Gilman for doing the same kind of shit.

I didn't have a problem with Massa's reaction. Seemed like a reasonable response from an elite wrestler who all year has been trying to overcome injuries, climb out of a rut, and overcome some bad losses, all while hearing the chorus of people counting him out of contention for any top finish. I couldn't tell from my BTN+ feed if he was flexing "at the Iowa corner." If so, no way to tell if it was intentional, or if it might have been in response to trash talking he received from that corner.
 
Cenzo had a cradle and got back points but Minnie guy broke out of it with his arm around CJ's head and into a headlock...2nd time he almost got gatorbacon'd
 
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Early in Nolfs 2nd match they went out of bounds and Nolf was pretty slow getting to his feet.
I think the knee was bothering him from that point on, if not before.
I dont think he wrestles tonight.
 
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You forgot Nolf vs Cael (does he make Nolf MFF out). lol!
Seriously, even in matches where they're favored, tOSU has more difficult matches. Pletcher-McKee, BoJo-Amine, MyMar-Abounader, even Moore-Beasley are tough matches.

Exactly.

Buckeyes have 9 in semis but most of the matches they’ll be underdogs or all out brawls.

And Campbell has to face Marinelli in his wrestleback.

Buckeyes have a tough challenge ahead.
 
Not really. PSU had 3 byes, Ohio State had 2 byes. So that's a max 2 extra bonus pts. You get 1 point for a round 1 bye if you win in round 2.
And, it's not only how many byes, but who got them. All right, Keener was one of our 3. But our other 2 were Zain and Bo; compared to M Jordan and Moore. We lost out in the bonus there, as we would have had 2 falls and tOSU not as much.
 
Come on, man. Stop reacting. These are the worsts posts. Shak has wrestled well. The score of the last match is not indicative of the match.

Yes the 2nd match he got caught, kind of a fluke merkle, but the first match? Net-net both matches. Nerves, maybe? That first kid was 0-12, the whole conversation the last 2 months has been Cassar strength and consistency vs Raptors value delivering more team points via bonus. I'm still in his camp, but cradle be damned he needs to turn some lower seeds with something else in his tool box. I am sure us posters, the coaches and even Shak himself aren't pleased so far. A win is a win and if he takes it all we won't care much how.

I just took 10 tums, that seemed to work.
 
I have zero idea.

I would bet the trainer & coaches are carefully looking over that knee during this break.

Any sign of soreness or swelling, I bet they pull the plug.

Jason didn't appear to be favoring the leg, but he does look rusty and perhaps a tiny bit hesitant at times. I'm guessing he's around 80% right now. I believe Tucker and Short both got in on his (good) leg a few times, and not in the normal Nolf "Here, take my leg so I can pin you" way. Assuming the knee feels ok, I'd like to see him go against Pantaleo. I suspect he will.

For those who haven't seen the bouts, Jason's knee brace is tiny compared to what the Iowa guys are wearing. It looks more like a sleeve.
 
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Shak -- not worried about him. I suspect his lack of devastating cradles and quick finishes is a combination of first-time B1G tourney jitters and some self-imposed pressure to bonus (the predominant reason he got the nod over Cassar reportedly).

Upsets -- What are the biggest upsets/surprises in session 1? Massa's win is considered an upset, though many of us saw him having a decent shot.

Not an upset, but it was a little upsetting. From dominating all season against all comers, and to my recollection never putting himself close to a bad situation, to seeing VJ on his back for the 4th straight match is the biggest surprise to me. Cudos to his fighting off that first time this morning, 30 seconds at least and very close.... he'll be fine but we came close to seeing the best 165 match in the losers bracket final.
 
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That “max points possible” can be a little misleading because it is based on mathematical formula that it is “possible” that all wrestlers can all pin their way thru the remaining tournament. And that’s basically impossible.

It reads “240 max” but neither team will get close to 200.


A better barometer is:
1. How many in semis?
2. How many are favorites ?


My main goals for Big 10's are 4 - Kuhn & Keener both qualify, Nolf doesn't get re-injured ( I think he might default out from here forward), and the rest finish healthy as well. Does anyone care who won bigs last year? Points, Points? "We don't need no stinking badges."
 
Jason didn't appear to be favoring the leg, but he does look rusty and perhaps a tiny bit hesitant at times. I'm guessing he's around 80% right now. I believe Tucker and Short both got in on his (good) leg a few times, and not in the normal Nolf "Here, take my leg so I can pin you" way. Assuming the knee feels ok, I'd like to see him go against Pantaleo. I suspect he will. Jason's knee brace is tiny compared to what the Iowa guys are wearing. It looks more like a sleeve.

After the way the injury looked when he sustained it, it is a miracle that he could be at 80% today.

I still kind of hope they sit him tonight to get him even healthier for nationals.
 
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That “max points possible” can be a little misleading because it is based on mathematical formula that it is “possible” that all wrestlers can all pin their way thru the remaining tournament. And that’s basically impossible.

It reads “240 max” but neither team will get close to 200.


A better barometer is:
1. How many in semis?
2. How many are favorites ?

Thanks but still does not make sense to me. Understand the scenario for all is impossible, but it is not impossible for all members of one team to do so. can only assume that assumption is how they calc the max possible. So each team has all 10 still capable of pulling it off. And if they have nine in winners bracket(higher point value) to our our eight and are already up by 4.5 points, how are we making it up?
 
Jason didn't appear to be favoring the leg, but he does look rusty and perhaps a tiny bit hesitant at times. I'm guessing he's around 80% right now. I believe Tucker and Short both got in on his (good) leg a few times, and not in the normal Nolf "Here, take my leg so I can pin you" way. Assuming the knee feels ok, I'd like to see him go against Pantaleo. I suspect he will.

For those who haven't seen the bouts, Jason's knee brace is tiny compared to what the Iowa guys are wearing. It looks more like a sleeve.

I was thinking the same 75-80% before I read your post. He looks amazingly healthy at this point and two weeks from now I could see him at about 90% if there are no significant setbacks. Really encouraging. I'd like to see him go if there is no compelling medical reason not to.
 
I was thinking the same 75-80% before I read your post. He looks amazingly healthy at this point and two weeks from now I could see him at about 90% if there are no significant setbacks. Really encouraging. I'd like to see him go if there is no compelling medical reason not to.
I have to agree about Jason, except I’ll add: it seemed to me the rust flew off him late in the Short match and suddenly the snapdowns were back and he looked goooood!
 
Anybody know what the score was at the end of session one last year?

There is a Search function on this board ... from last year's Session 2 Thread, in a post made by me:

"At the end of Session 1, here are the team scores:

PSU - 70
Ohio St. - 68
Iowa - 55.5
Minny - 52
Mich - 47
Illini - 28.5
Wisky - 28.5
Nebraska - 26
Indy - 20
MSU - 19
Rutgers - 17.5
Maryland - 16.5
Purdue - 7
NW - 4"
 
Thanks but still does not make sense to me. Understand the scenario for all is impossible, but it is not impossible for all members of one team to do so. can only assume that assumption is how they calc the max possible. So each team has all 10 still capable of pulling it off. And if they have nine in winners bracket(higher point value) to our our eight and are already up by 4.5 points, how are we making it up?

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Is Campbell likely to get seeded at NCAAs?

165 is total insanity at Big Tens.

8 Big Ten ranked in Top 11 nationally, and Campbell is ranked #14.

Okie St Chandler Rogers is #12 and Anthony Valencia is #15.

Campbell could completely whiff in Big Tens and still get seeded for NCAAs. Could happen. The conference field is that strong.
 
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I posted this much earlier today, when I was having some internet problems and somehow it ended up in the Brooks Maryland states thread. Oh well.

LOL, JB kept saying that OSU is undefeated, I guess Campbell has defected. Maybe he is like the Russians at the Olympics, competing under the Big Ten flag.
 
165 is total insanity at Big Tens.

8 Big Ten ranked in Top 11 nationally, and Campbell is ranked #14.

Okie St Chandler Rogers is #12 and Anthony Valencia is #15.

Campbell could completely whiff in Big Tens and still get seeded for NCAAs. Could happen. The conference field is that strong.
I agree that it's possible and if he beats the Bull, definite. If, however, he loses to the Bull, I think it is still possible but not likely. Just speculation.
 
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There is a Search function on this board ... from last year's Session 2 Thread, in a post made by me:

"At the end of Session 1, here are the team scores:

PSU - 70
Ohio St. - 68
Iowa - 55.5
Minny - 52
Mich - 47
Illini - 28.5
Wisky - 28.5
Nebraska - 26
Indy - 20
MSU - 19
Rutgers - 17.5
Maryland - 16.5
Purdue - 7
NW - 4"

It easier for you to find it for me...thx

2018 for comparison

Ohio State 85.5
Penn State 81.5
Michigan 64.5
Iowa 39
Illinois 29
Purdue 23.5
Minnesota 23
Northwestern 23
Rutgers 22
Nebraska 16.5
Wisconsin 13.5
Maryland 6.5
Michigan State 5
Indiana 2.5
 
For those of you concerned with how Sugar's tourney has gone so far--perhaps take solace in his 7+ minutes of RT in 2 matches?
Yes, I'm not worried about Rasheed. He was aggressive and that's PSU's style. He got burned at times (as did Joseph). But it's valuable experience. He looked good in all positions. When we really need him to get bonus is NCAA's and I'm optimistic about that. Again--valuable experience in a post-season tournament setting--something he hasn't had before!
 
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