Hawks v Goofers today at noon on BTN

[Grass]

Sorry Hawkeye fans, but people root against Gilman and want him to lose because of how he acts. Period. Today wasn't the first time that he acted like a punk. I haven't heard one person on this board ever say a bad word about Sorensen, Kemerer, Clark or any other current Iowa wrestler. You know why? Because they just go out and do their job and win or lose act with class. It's easy to act like a punk when you know you are going to beat the person you are going up against. I'm sure some of your fans are tired of the theatrics too. Just go out and prove you are the best and let your wrestling do the talking.

 

[CropDuster507]

If you don't like what Gilman does... Shut him up and beat him. I don't think it's any more complicated than that.

I think HS kids who wear goofy colored socks and shoes and do dance competitions before a wrestling match are an embarrassment to the sport. It's obnoxious, attention-seeking, and makes them look stupid (in my opinion). However, if that kid goes out and techs one of my wrestlers... Ya know what? He can wear whatever the hell he wants, and warmup however he wants... because he still wins. The beauty of wresting is you can bring a person back down to earth in an instant.

Interesting note, however, is that whenever I type the words "I hate" into my phone, predicted text shows "Thomas Gilman" as the next option. I'm dead serious.

 

[24Hawkeye7]

Gotta love the contorting of these Iowa fans. The kid is acting like an asshole. It's not a good look for him, for Iowa, or for the sport. They'd never ever tolerate it from anyone but their own. But nah we're all just haters.

Don't take my quote out of context. I was simply stating that there was a difference between the two examples. That's all I did.
Because frankly, although I love how tough Gilman is, I disagree with his antics as well. I also agree that it is weird TNT let it continue. But I'm not gonna knock my own Hawks! I'll have their backs even if I disagree with the antics. Because if it was someone on another team, I personally would not give a damn. I'm not a thin-skinned, spineless, androgynous ameba, and I don't need to seek out a safe space because someone loves to be the bad guy

 

[El-Jefe]

Not discussed enough: GIlman ran into the Goofers' huddle last year, and they let it happen again today.

Want to stop him from doing stuff like that? Pay attention. I guarantee he doesn't try that stunt if Pfarr and Kroells are in front and watching.

 

[CropDuster507]

We used to wrestle a team who always tried to throw us off by shaking left-handed. Don't like it? Don't let it happen. We'd slap their hand out of the way.

This is a combat sport. You have the opportunity to use your body as a weapon, more or less, and make your opponent uncomfortable, if not hurt.

 

[CropDuster507]

I've been out of it, lately. I was rationalizing official's calls, yesterday. Today, I'm borderline defending Thomas Gilman... I think I need a Snickers.

 

[JohnBasedow]

To summarize this thread, don't run into another team's huddle.

 

[21Guns]

Honest to God, I went up against this kid one time, who would whisper snide remarks during the down and up positions. It was always subliminal crap too, like "you don't want to go to that sit out" or "Don't try that peterson like you used last week against Mount Union.." Kid thought he was Freud or something. Didn't work, I got the best of him 4-3, but mainly it cracked me up.

 

[AgSurfer]

I know that a lot of people don't find Gilman's antics funny, but I'm not so sure that episode in the intros was really intended to PO the Minnesota team and fans. Sometimes athletes will do really off the wall stuff primarily to keep themselves from getting the jitters.

Way back when, one of my closest friends pulled something similar just prior to the EIWA finals. (This was when PSU was still in the conference.) The 126 finals was getting ready to go, but they had to hold it up because the other guy (from Princeton) couldn't find his headgear. He was looking all over for it when my friend walked over to him laughing and pulled out the headgear that he had hidden under his warmups. I don't know whether the Princeton guy thought that was funny, but my friend hammered him in the finals and ended up being named OW. He didn't do that out of spite or animosity, he was really just keeping his own nerves in check.

I don't know about Gilman, but that little stunt during the intros reminds me very much of what my friend did. If that's what Gilman was doing, it could be why Brands doesn't discourage him.

 

[Mpchillin]

It's not magnified by the school he attends. Battling for 4th place every year doesn't instill fear or jealousy. I'd criticize these antics if it was a PSU kid. Ffs call a spade a spade.

I love Clark and Kemerer, and Brooks is my favorite non-PSU wrestler. No one hates Iowa we hate d-bags.

He wrestles for Iowa, more people are prone to watch and pay attention because he wrestles for Iowa. Hence, why you guys have 5 pages dedicated to following their dual against Minnesota. P.S. I don't like the extra-curriculars at all.

 

[diggerpup]

To summarize this thread, don't run into another team's huddle.

LMFAO. Ok. You win the Interwebs today.

 

[AldenT]

LMFAO. Ok. You win the Interwebs today.

I had really hoped to live and die having never seen that video again.

 

[matter7172]

My college football team played against Billy "White Shoes" Johnson and his Widener College teammates in 1973. The year before Billy had scored 6 touchdowns against our team. For those who don't know, Billy was possibly the originator of touchdown dances in the NFLand he was in his senior year at Widener as a running back and kick returner.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...lebrations-homer-jones-ickey-woods-cam-newton

Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, one of the first to bring dance moves to the end zone, put it this way: "We're gladiators. We're in the arena. We're supposed to give a show. We're supposed to be entertaining."

Anyway, Billy's Widener team came into Allentown that year as the #1 D3 football team. We were well aware of Billy and his touchdown dances after the game in 1972. In the first half, Billy scored on a short run. He started to do his dance and one of our starting defensive tackles went after him in the end zone and chased him out of it. Best 15 yard penalty ever.

Billy was shut down the rest of the day. He did get one more short td, but he also fumbled the ball deep in his own territory, which led to our team's winning score. He ran the ball on fourth down on Widener's last offensive play of the game and was stopped short of the first down on our sideline. He was immediately surrounded by players from our team doing his touchdown dance. Billy just stood there with a dumbfounded look on his face. One of the best moments in my athletic career. We never did another "dance". This crap has no place in any sport, imo.

 

[NittanyChris]

Don't flatter yourselves Iowa fans. It's got absolutely nothing to do with who he wrestles for. If he wrestled for Hawaii and pulled the same BS, I'd be calling him out too. I absolutely love Kemerer and I like Clark a lot too. He's earned this through HIS OWN actions. Nobody else's.

 

[lionlover]

So now the question is this...what is Brands' motivation for tacitly endorsing Gilman's career long pattern of misbehavior? It's got to be one of the following, I'd say:
1. He thinks it's "good" for his team, because it fires them up in some way.
2. He tolerates it because he is by far the best wrestler on his team and he does not have the balls to confront him about it.
3. He thinks it shows "passion" for the sport.
4. He does not think any of the behavior is disrespectful or low-class.

Any other possible reasons? What do people think?

Brands seems to promote professional wrestling antics.

 

[lionlover]

My college football team played against Billy "White Shoes" Johnson and his Widener College teammates in 1973. The year before Billy had scored 6 touchdowns against our team. For those who don't know, Billy was possibly the originator of touchdown dances in the NFLand he was in his senior year at Widener as a running back and kick returner.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...lebrations-homer-jones-ickey-woods-cam-newton

Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, one of the first to bring dance moves to the end zone, put it this way: "We're gladiators. We're in the arena. We're supposed to give a show. We're supposed to be entertaining."

Anyway, Billy's Widener team came into Allentown that year as the #1 D3 football team. We were well aware of Billy and his touchdown dances after the game in 1972. In the first half, Billy scored on a short run. He started to do his dance and one of our starting defensive tackles went after him in the end zone and chased him out of it. Best 15 yard penalty ever.

Billy was shut down the rest of the day. He did get one more short td, but he also fumbled the ball deep in his own territory, which led to our team's winning score. He ran the ball on fourth down on Widener's last offensive play of the game and was stopped short of the first down on our sideline. He was immediately surrounded by players from our team doing his touchdown dance. Billy just stood there with a dumbfounded look on his face. One of the best moments in my athletic career. We never did another "dance". This crap has no place in any sport, imo.

I love Billy, his talent and his dance. But...that is professional sports. I don't like watching professional sports anymore.

 

[kingslayer_85]

My college football team played against Billy "White Shoes" Johnson and his Widener College teammates in 1973. The year before Billy had scored 6 touchdowns against our team. For those who don't know, Billy was possibly the originator of touchdown dances in the NFLand he was in his senior year at Widener as a running back and kick returner.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...lebrations-homer-jones-ickey-woods-cam-newton

Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, one of the first to bring dance moves to the end zone, put it this way: "We're gladiators. We're in the arena. We're supposed to give a show. We're supposed to be entertaining."

Anyway, Billy's Widener team came into Allentown that year as the #1 D3 football team. We were well aware of Billy and his touchdown dances after the game in 1972. In the first half, Billy scored on a short run. He started to do his dance and one of our starting defensive tackles went after him in the end zone and chased him out of it. Best 15 yard penalty ever.

Billy was shut down the rest of the day. He did get one more short td, but he also fumbled the ball deep in his own territory, which led to our team's winning score. He ran the ball on fourth down on Widener's last offensive play of the game and was stopped short of the first down on our sideline. He was immediately surrounded by players from our team doing his touchdown dance. Billy just stood there with a dumbfounded look on his face. One of the best moments in my athletic career. We never did another "dance". This crap has no place in any sport, imo.

He had a pretty good career and I always enjoyed watching him, found his dancing entertaining and harmless

 

[NittanyChris]

So here's a question: if Gilman runs up to their huddle, yapping as he did and Kroells floors him with a right cross, would that be wrong on Kroells' part?

 

[matter7172]

He had a pretty good career and I always enjoyed watching him, found his dancing entertaining and harmless

If you were the other team in college, you would have found it disrespectful and clownish. Just saying.

 

[matter7172]

So here's a question: if Gilman runs up to their huddle, yapping as he did and Kroells floors him with a right cross, would that be wrong on Kroells' part?

I'm going with "no". See my story above. My teammate may have been thrown out of the game, the more I think about it. Still worth it. He sent the message.

 

[drock1971]

So here's a question: if Gilman runs up to their huddle, yapping as he did and Kroells floors him with a right cross, would that be wrong on Kroells' part?

Unfortunately--he'd have been tossed from the match....even though I'd have less an issue with the punch then the childish act of running into the other teams huddle.

 

[El-Jefe]

So here's a question: if Gilman runs up to their huddle, yapping as he did and Kroells floors him with a right cross, would that be wrong on Kroells' part?

Yes, if he's right handed. Every athlete knows you always use your off hand.

More seriously, if I were Kroells, I'd grab him and pull him right into the middle of the huddle. And hold him there. You want to be here, come on in and stay a while.

 

[JohnBasedow]

So here's a question: if Gilman runs up to their huddle, yapping as he did and Kroells floors him with a right cross, would that be wrong on Kroells' part?

There is no way a Minnesota HWT would actually take a shot.

 

[CropDuster507]

So here's a question: if Gilman runs up to their huddle, yapping as he did and Kroells floors him with a right cross, would that be wrong on Kroells' part?

No, but knowing he's done it before, you could keep a backup in the huddle for just this purpose. A goon. An enforcer.

 

[kingslayer_85]

So here's a question: if Gilman runs up to their huddle, yapping as he did and Kroells floors him with a right cross, would that be wrong on Kroells' part?

Seems like a bit of an over reaction, no problem if he politely escorted Thomas back to the center of the mat. I personally just not bothered by him as most are here. Some of this is off the wall and bit odd bits that's about it from my perspective

 

[RoarLions1]

Gilman is on another team, and his actions speak for themselves. Not sure what the anger, name-calling, whatever it is, proves. I'm proud of how OUR guys handle themselves...makes a PSU fan proud!!

 

[johnstownsteel]

I'm praying to sweet baby Jesus that the Atlanta Falcons don't pull a "Lizak" and totally ruin my day...

 

[21Guns]

There is no way a Minnesota HWT would actually take a shot.

Tony Nelson would get on top of him and put all his weight on his shoulders.

For 2 minutes straight.

 

[21Guns]

I'm praying to sweet baby Jesus that the Atlanta Falcons don't pull a "Lizak" and totally ruin my day...

I pulled a Lizak the other day on the treadmill. Just Lizaked out after a long sprint. Got Lizaked right there at the gym.

 

[NittanyChris]

There is no way a Minnesota HWT would actually take a shot.

Ok, that was pretty damn funny.

 

[21Guns]

Doesn't anyone else see the irony of Gilman playing "The Heavy"? LMAO. At 125 lbs?

 

[amalone]

Doesn't anyone else see the irony of Gilman playing "The Heavy"? LMAO. At 125 lbs?

Maybe, just maybe... he has a slight Napolean complex mixed in with some sort of mental psychosis. Me against the world. The way Thomas Gilman talks... he's seems to not project with the rest of society or people he has to relate to in this world.

10. Hero Complex



As the name suggests, this complex makes people very prone to trying to get recognition. Often the situations they tackle are very difficult and self-created in order to get a sense of self-worth. This is quite common when people are in a profession/sport where they aren’t doing that well but want to feel good about themselves or are doing well and want to overstate their achievement. Thus, they are quite prone to bragging about the nature of their achievements and the difficulties of the job. They like to act as a rescuer for others even when unnecessary and feel like they have a burden to carry. Often their actions may be considered odd by others and this leads to more seclusion and depression. Civil servants, nurses and fire-fighters are quite prone to this problem and may commit arson and crime for thrill-seeking and revenge as well. However, most of the actions are simply a desperate need to compensate for past failures.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

I'm praying to sweet baby Jesus that the Atlanta Falcons don't pull a "Lizak" and totally ruin my day...

Jinx!

 

[AgSurfer]

I'm praying to sweet baby Jesus that the Atlanta Falcons don't pull a "Lizak" and totally ruin my day...

Well, I'm guessing that, at this point, your day has been totally ruined.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Brands seems to promote professional wrestling antics.

think so. If you watch BTN he didn't walk out onto the mat until he saw Gilman getting pushed back. He got to the center of the mat and it doesn't appear he said anything. Must be ok with coach.

 

[NittanyChris]

Simply cannot imagine that Cael would tolerate this in one of his guys.

Just a hunch, can't say for certain.

 

[Stanley75]

Gilman gets more ink over here than he does on HR. Wonder what mind games he is playing?

 

[amalone]

Gilman gets more ink over here than he does on HR. Wonder what mind games he is playing?

That's a lie. You can always go back to HR and let his antics forever stand for what Iowa wrestling has become. A side show.

And it's his mind we're talking about. We like to examine for ourselves, your over the top kooks. We can't get Mike Evans off our tongues enough or our newest, favorite psychological train wreck.

 

[Just another PSU Fan]

I absolutely love the Gilman brand! He didn't quit when he didn't start as a RS FR, he sat the pine and worked on his skills - so he says some words we don't like to hear from a college athlete, he has the right to say what he wants!

and I recall 20k fans at MSG cheering hard for him when he knocked off NATO

reminds me of a Metcalf JR ...

 

[El-Jefe]

Gilman gets more ink over here than he does on HR. Wonder what mind games he is playing?

JV version of what PD3 plays over on HR.