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Exactly. The poster missed the point completely, or he intentionally disregarded the point. The degree of misbehavior is irrelevant. If you celebrate, endorse or sit silently by while someone is misbehaving, you are complicit as well. Period.
He did when Nico beat him. I'm tired of the act as well but he seems to keep it on the mat. Does not seem to be troublesome otherwise - yet?
Let's face it. Gilman's act is classless and exhibits poor sportsmanship. Bad for the sport; bad role model for kids. Does anyone want to see a whole team of guys acting like that?
Gilman beat Garrett every time they wrestled. A few years back, substitute Ramos for Gilman and you guys were singing the same tune.
That kind of stuff is beneath a program like Iowa and a coach like Brands. Apparently you all disagree.
When Gilman was down 8-0...how hard were you rooting for him to get beat? I bet some of you were screaming at the computer or TV cheering on Lizak. If he would have lost, you all (collectively) would be over on HR shoving it in our faces...so let's not lecture Gilman on class. He's had one spot where I truly disapproved of his actions and that was against Missouri a few years back. Love him or hate him, you have a vested interest in his matches. Tip of the hat for Lizak and the ride but I doff my cap to Gilman for coming back and pinning. You guys are always complaining about Iowa guys having fun, we have some, and we're bad sports
I don't agree with all of the name calling. That is classless. Gilman is about to graduate with a college degree and has never been in trouble with the law. He is a fantastic wrestler who is relentless on the mat. I don't see Thomas Gilman calling anybody assholes or douchebags or idiots in any of his interviews or comments. He is brutally honest and tells you exactly how it is. VERY intense person.
When i played Rugby in my 20's i would smash and get smashed on the pitch all day long. Some real dirty stuff at times. But afterwards we would drink for hours with the opponent and become friends. Thomas reminds me of that.
I could almost guarantee that none of you "behavior labeler's" have ever met or talked to Gilman in person. Probably havent even been close enough to hear his voice. Thats too bad. But by all means keep calling him names from a distance. Thats your thing evidently
Comical. Is there no accountability at all? Anyone can make a mistake or two, but this person has consistently exhibited this low class, obnoxious, arrogant behavior over a period of years. Long-term patterns of behavior are displays of character. That's simply how it is. If this displeases you, then I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps some denial on your part, though I can't be certain.
When Gilman was down 8-0...how hard were you rooting for him to get beat? I bet some of you were screaming at the computer or TV cheering on Lizak. If he would have lost, you all (collectively) would be over on HR shoving it in our faces...so let's not lecture Gilman on class. He's had one spot where I truly disapproved of his actions and that was against Missouri a few years back. Love him or hate him, you have a vested interest in his matches. Tip of the hat for Lizak and the ride but I doff my cap to Gilman for coming back and pinning. You guys are always complaining about Iowa guys having fun, we have some, and we're bad sports
You have no idea how I would have reacted, but we all see how he does time and again. I'll continue to call a classless act classless, and I'd encourage you to do the same.
You'd be calling him every name in the book if he was at ISU. This is an intense sport and he's an elite wrestler. Funny that 99 percent of guys at this level don't act this way. Strange that.
Agree. Lizak got Gilman's leg and was able to turn it into a TD, something that Suriano was unable to do against Gilman.
Well, maybe not. I don't condone Gilman's antics and I fully agree he behaves like a punk at times. However, the righteous indignation in this thread about Gilman's behavior is a bit over the top, IMO. Let's not all take ourselves so seriously ...
The big issue and question is why does a Head Coach of a Big 10 program allow that type of behavior? Why does the Athletic Director turn a blind eye? Do you see any other coaches, not just in collegiate wresting, but any other sport at any other university allow their kid to act like that? It speaks volumes to the class of Tom Brands character and Iowa as a University. It's sad, really.
Actually, have seen ISU guys punch guys in match, curse fans, have to be escorted out of the arena etc. Have seen other wrestlers grab there nuts in salute to the fans, mug for opposing fans with their arms in flex mode, general taunting, face mushing...Our guy likes to run into huddles and get the handshake done so he can run off.
BTW, it did look like Gilman told Lizak "Good match" during the post match shake so that at least should give you a warm fuzzy.
This is 2017 in America. Acting strange, unprofessional, out there is celebrated by a vast majority of the population. Facebook, YouTube, reality tv etc is nothing but a celebration of jackassery, 15 seconds or 15 minutes at a time. Much of what gets a lot of white hot attention quickly fades. I think it is funny and sad at the same time.
I don't know about anyone else, but I never called him ANY names. I said that his ACTIONS today were bush league. Every competitor, is capable of making a wrong move at one time or another. He made a wrong move today.
There is one possibility that nobody has mentioned: Every wrestler is looking for an "edge", it's possible that Gilman uses tactics like this, in the belief that it gives him an advantage.
Not for me: The ability to laugh at yourself, is a strength, not a weakness.
In that spirit: Gavin Teasdale has just announced his intention to begin his career at Iowa, at 174 pounds.
Gilman is like a little yippy, continually annoying, nervously shivering, mentally unstable, ankle biting Chihuahua.
All the bigger dogs are like, "shut that thing up and get it out of here!"
All the bigger dogs are like, "shut that thing up and get it out of here!"
We were counting on 57...dude needs to stop eating
For a second I thought you meant ankle GRABBING chihuahua, which of course, we all know, is Jesse Delgado.
Him and me both, I'm at 240 right now and I have the gas tank of a 1974 Ford Pinto.
This is what he told Themat.com
“I welcome the challenge,” Gilman said. “He came out there to beat me and I really appreciate that. I genuinely mean that too. He came out there to beat me. Not a lot of guys do that. They wrestle to keep it close. It was a good match.”
http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2017/February/05/Iowa-defeats-Minnesota
Does not seem too bad.
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Only from BEHIND my man only from behind, lol. Long as they come straight up, I'm good!
Dang Mr. You been eating Stollhouse cookies all winter?!
It was a good wake up call forsure. Maybe its a good thing.. serious props to Lizak. He looked like Waters in the video above. Very tough on top with those legs in. Needs a gas tank
I confess I was on my way over. I was anxious to count the number of posts screaming about Lazik stalling. But damn it man. Gilman ruined my freaking fun by pinning him.When Gilman was down 8-0...how hard were you rooting for him to get beat? I bet some of you were screaming at the computer or TV cheering on Lizak. If he would have lost, you all (collectively) would be over on HR shoving it in our faces...so let's not lecture Gilman on class. He's had one spot where I truly disapproved of his actions and that was against Missouri a few years back. Love him or hate him, you have a vested interest in his matches. Tip of the hat for Lizak and the ride but I doff my cap to Gilman for coming back and pinning. You guys are always complaining about Iowa guys having fun, we have some, and we're bad sports
Dang Mr. You been eating Stollhouse cookies all winter?!
It was a good wake up call forsure. Maybe its a good thing.. serious props to Lizak. He looked like Waters in the video above. Very tough on top with those legs in. Needs a gas tank
I've gone straight Stollhouse with extra dough, and gone to Jimmie Jackson cornbread on the side!
The kid's behavior is disrespectful to his opponents and disrespectful to the sport of wrestling. You can deflect the issue onto posters here who have been critical or you can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to try and justify your support of him, but that does not make the first sentence of this post any less valid.
I WAS a bit skeptical when Gilman challened the Okla St team to a game of one on one on the Iba basketball court, until I realized that the only reason Gilman was even on the court, was because of the tiny little wrestling mat, made for midgets.
Yes, multiple schools in multiple sports allow stuff to happen like this. I would equate Gilman's actions to a technical foul in basketball or a personal foul in football. I won't go anywhere close to your idea that Iowa as a University is classless based off of one wrestler's actions. That's just plain ridiculous. That being said, as an Iowa fan, I cringe every time something like this happens but I also question if it's always magnified because of the school he attends. I love Gilman as a wrestler and wish we had 9 other guys with the confidence and skill that he has but I will be glad to have Spencer Lee taking over and guys like Kem, Marinelli and Young representing the program.
While I'm not a big fan of Gilman's antics, I think the calls for Brands to discipline him in some manner, including benching him, are a bit extreme and not realistic imho. Again, not a big fan of his antics, but Gilman himself is most responsible for his behavior and words (classless or not)....and nobody else (and they reflect most significantly upon him - i.e., Gilman - and not Brands or anyone else). For all we know, maybe Brands has had private discussions with him to tell him to be more thoughtful in his outbursts or that his actions are a poor reflection of who he truly is, can be and wants to be. If Gilman lost it and started assaulting someone or something, that'd be another matter. But as it is and as distasteful as his behavior / mouth is at times, he is still a great wrestler and those actions do not detract from that in the least.
I actually think Gilman is entertaining. However, that being said, I'm glad he's a Hawkeye because I do prefer how our guys represent themselves.
There's a big difference between Gilman's antics versus the train wreck, also known as PD3 or #dumbarse.
Mpchillin, you have a great point. A team point deduction would end Gilman's prematch forays pretty quickly.
It's not magnified by the school he attends. Battling for 4th place every year doesn't instill fear or jealousy. I'd criticize these antics if it was a PSU kid. Ffs call a spade a spade.
I love Clark and Kemerer, and Brooks is my favorite non-PSU wrestler. No one hates Iowa we hate d-bags.
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