Why should he be? "Mentally challenged" is a clinical term for anyone who read the last few pages of this thread.
Pretty sure I lost at least 10 IQ points, not that I could spare them. Will probably spend the rest of the day drooling uncontrollably.
Iowa @ Ohio State PBP, Results and Discussion Thread
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Pretty sure I lost at least 10 IQ points, not that I could spare them. Will probably spend the rest of the day drooling uncontrollably.
There you go you strong willed fermented compliance officer. I complied.
You can run back over to HR and yell at me over there. Instead of a single post in a thread, I gave you an entire thread.
Have fun.
You can run back over to HR and yell at me over there. Instead of a single post in a thread, I gave you an entire thread.
Have fun.
Yes, I like posting and reading here. Very respectful folks.
Come on. We don't wrestle until Friday and then we get to spend two days trying to figure out who is training in the Lorenzo Wrestling room that Goodale will recruit this spring. Until then we must have entertainment.
just don't see why two people simply start a direct dialogue with each other when there is so much to say. Don't have to let the world see your arguments, especially after we heard them once...
Meh you guys are alrightYes, I like posting and reading here. Very respectful folks.
TBF, pawrest did say something about Brands being mentally challenged during matches.
So at what point is it safe for Still to wrestle? If he can’t wrestle to try and win a dual against the #1 team in the country, maybe he shouldn’t be wrestling. At some point, he will have to face guys (including Snyder) who shoot for the legs...
You don’t like the posts here, go back to HR...
Have to agree because it was not just a ride, Lee came close to back points several times.
And of course VT fans were really mad when Cael forfeited rather than send out Jan Johnson to be sacrificed to that heavyweight the Hokies had then.
Let's compare apples to apples. Jan Johnson did NOT duck Kyle Snyder. Cael sent Johnson out and Jan gave it everything he had while the fans cheered him on..
Let's compare apples to apples. Jan Johnson did NOT duck Kyle Snyder. Cael sent Johnson out and Jan gave it everything he had while the fans cheered him on..
Right, at what point does he wrestle Snyder? I understand to a point why Brands sat Stoll yesterday, however that begs the question what happens if they reach the BigTen finals, does he forfeit to protect for NCAAs and what happens if they face each other in the Semis at Nationals, do they sit him to protect for consolations? It's a rather slippery slope. With Michigan coming up, curious to see if he goes against Coon. If he doesn't, BigTen seeding committee really should take issue because that will be 3 ranked conference wrestlers that were ducked.
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Actually in November 2015 Penn State wrestled Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. McIntosh clinched the victory at 197. In what I believe would have been true freshman, football walk-on Jan Johnson's second match, after being in the wrestling room for a few weeks, Cael did choose to forfeit to second ranked Ty Waltz.
I suppose if someone had a very (and I mean very to the nth degree) limited understanding of athletics in general and wrestling specifically they might think the Johnson and Stoll situations were similar.
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How about the risk to Lee’s knee with NATO? At least be consistent...there is a risk whenever they wrestle, but if you going to sit Stoll against higher ranked wrestlers, he shouldn’t wrestle at all...
I don't remember Walz's exact ranking at the time (was way up there) but otherwise this is dead on.
Also: Johnson was a HS 195 the year before. He didn't have a 30+ lb weight advantage or enough time in the room to learn how to wrestle HWT.
The comparable situation would've been sending Warner out to face Snyder, if Warner joined the team after Midlands after 8 mo away from the sport and needed to be the guy for the rest of the year.
I can't even figure why Sam made the trip to Columbus. If Brands had no intention of Sam wrestling, even when a Tech or Fall could win the impossible for Iowa (I can see if up or down by 7 and the match doesn't matter), why even go. Cramped airplane seat for a Heavyweight. Getting a suitcase dropped on from overhead. Jamming knees on the seat with a bit of turbulence. Slipping and falling on the ice at Columbus. Or even getting robbed and knifed in downtown CBUS. Safer to stay in IC (second only to Iran in safety I hear).
Was Brands betting on Kevin Snyder to wrestle, and then Sam would trot out there (no chance with this being Kyle's last home match)? Sounds like Holloway was going to wrestle no matter what the circumstance.
Or, did Sam wake up with a stiff knee and decided to postpone the match. No idea. From the interviews, Sam seems like the real deal, and wouldn't duck competition for any reason. But, if there was never a plan to wrestle, stay home and be safe.
IDK either, but let's say Iowa was up by 5 and just needed to avoid a tech to win. Then does Stoll go? Interesting question, no way to know.
According to Iowa posters, no, he wouldn't go. If the rationale was to "protect the knees" from risk of injury, then the score is irrelevant.
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The score did 100% get messed up. You can call me dumb and delusional and idiotic all you want. It doesn't change the facts or change reality of what happened in the match. In fact, denying that while calling me delusional is ironically incredibly delusional.
There were 2 pts on the board for Martin that were put there incorrectly. The ref explicitly said no reversal.
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Said several times already in this thread I wish Stoll would have wrestled and I understand the complaints that he did not. That all makes perfect logical sense.
What doesn't make sense, and what I initially posted about was the ridiculous claim by Nitlion6 that an injury risk to Stoll is equivalent to injury risk to Holloway. One is worth pts at nationals. One is not. One has a history of season ending knee injuries two years in a row. One does not. It's simply a ludicrous analysis.
As Dunkj01's signature line says: David Taylor - “If you have grown up your whole life winning 4-2, you don’t all of the sudden say ‘I’m going to win 10-2 in college.’ It’s a mindset and a lifestyle. If you want to win by 8 points, you have to push outside your comfort zone.”
The National tournament won't come down to conditioning, weight cuts, or peaking. It will come down to bonus points and PSU is the ONLY team with a proven record of going for bonus at every opportunity.
After watching tOSU, Iowa, OSU, and Michigan this season, I love our chances in March. They don't scare me.
The National tournament won't come down to conditioning, weight cuts, or peaking. It will come down to bonus points and PSU is the ONLY team with a proven record of going for bonus at every opportunity.
After watching tOSU, Iowa, OSU, and Michigan this season, I love our chances in March. They don't scare me.
Good Lord man. It amazes me you are still arguing it doesn't matter if Holloway gets injured. It might not matter to Iowa's drive for the 3rd place trophy. However, if you are overly concerned about the safety of your very large, strong like bull, 3rd ranked wrestler competing against Captain America, then it only makes semse you should have concern for your smaller, weaker, less skilled backup.
Now come on master compliance vodka dude. I gave you an entire thread on HR to express your annoyance with me. If you are going to post here could you change your subject material.
On HR, an IOWA poster was questioning Tom's decision making and used the green sweater as an example. No biggie, just funny
The owner of the bowling alley that first started Dwarf tossing/bowling was Irish and a Green sweater was required on all Dwarfs. Brands happened to be out bowling that night....leading to a horrible misunderstanding. They let him keep the sweater.
PS: It is almost 2:00 AM...... I just made this up....this wine is really good
One of the more critical members over on HR complained about Terry wearing a green sweater instead of team colors at one of the duals and that has become a running joke. Believe it was 9xs.
9X it was. He has been the primary poster pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes the past five years or so. The "inner circle" has tried to quiet him and point toward next year as the year Iowa reclaims the crown.....each of the last 5 years. Poor guy simply lacks the delusional mind to be a solid HR poster.
Ok buddy, you stick to your story. I expect nothing less from you. It's ironic after all this time you are still here trying to convince people they didn't see what they saw. Please go back to the fantasy land which is HR and try to convince them you are right because that's your only shot at it. I love how you completely dropped your stance on Snorenson. Change of heart or did your brain work for the 3 mins it took to type this response? Have a good day, I can't handle the ignorance of your replies so I guess I am left with having to use the ignore button. Sad day for me
You're right and that was wrong of me.
I sincerely apologize to any Mentally Challenged individuals who read that post and took offense to being compared to the Bopsy Twins. Thanks for looking out buddy, I appreciate it
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Ok buddy, you stick to your story. I expect nothing less from you. It's ironic after all this time you are still here trying to convince people they didn't see what they saw. Please go back to the fantasy land which is HR and try to convince them you are right because that's your only shot at it. I love how you completely dropped your stance on Snorenson. Change of heart or did your brain work for the 3 mins it took to type this response? Have a good day, I can't handle the ignorance of your replies so I guess I am left with having to use the ignore button. Sad day for me
Alright let's give you a little lesson with raw facts and video evidence. You want to keep talking about delusion. You're showing extreme cases of it.
Let's start with Sorensen since you want to be corrected on that match apparently.
Here's what you said about Sorensen:
"Snorenson was not in control of the match and was losing until the 3rd. I understand you are completely delusional but stop quoting my posts trying to convince me of what I saw. I have more than enough wrestling experience to draw my own conclusions. Sorenson will not be the favorite to make the finals come March, similar to last year when he was the 4 seed after being the 2 all year. Myles dominated the entire match and the score was not messed up, you are dumb. Martin dominated and got unlucky in a late scramble to miss the tech."
Sorensen losing until the 3rd period? No.
First period 0-0 not a lot of action. Sorensen took 4 shots to Hayes 1 shot. Sorensen was generally the aggressor and controlled the majority of the ties. Overall a pretty inactive period by both guys.
Second period. Sorensen chooses down. He's up and out within 10 seconds and takes the lead 1-0. Sorensen takes the first shot of the period as Hayes is backing up. Stall warning on Hayes. Hayes shoots a double as he's backing up and Sorensen is chasing. Sorensen counters. Hayes sticks with it and gets ahold of far ankle. Finishes really well for the first TD of the match. 2-1 Hayes. Sorensen escapes within 5 seconds of being taken down. Match tied up 2-2. Minuscule riding time advantage for Hayes. Neither guy shoots the rest of the period.
Third period. Hayes chooses neutral. Sorensen with a half shot followed by another shot. Sorensen the aggressor. Sorensen with another shot. Nothing from Hayes 35 seconds into period 3. Hayes shoots a long double that is stuffed and immediately puts his head onto the mat. Sorensen tries to circle for two, and drives Hayes out of bounds. 1:06 remaining still tied 2-2. 16 seconds riding time for Hayes. Sorensen shoots a deep single just after the whistle. Gets in deep and elevates. Puts Hayes in danger, and then finishes the shot for 2. 4-2 lead for Sorensen. Sorensen rides out remaining 46 seconds and Hayes does not come close at all to escaping. 4-2 win for Sorensen with 30 seconds of riding time.
Sorensen took more shots, was the aggressor, controlled the tie ups. Had more riding time. Got the only escape of the match. Each guy with one takedown. Hayes had a great shot and finish but that was it the entire match. Hayes had the lead for a whopping 10 seconds in the match. Remainder was tied or Sorensen with the lead.
By no means did Hayes control that match. You claim Sorensen won't be the favorite to make the finals come March? How is that so? It is a clear cut Zain #1 and Sorensen #2 and that isn't changing unless Sorensen loses. Like it or not, Sorensen is the heavy favorite to make the finals. Does that mean he is guaranteed to do so? Absolutely not but he is undoubtedly the favorite right now.
Ok now let's pull up the video of Martin Bowman. Here's the link for you. Doesn't work in chrome. Works for me in IE: https://www.btn2go.com/embed?id=29494
Third period. Martin with a 15-5 lead and riding time at 1:06 for Martin but counting down since Bowman is riding on top. Martin starts to come up. Bowman drops down to a leg and is in a single leg take down finish with the leg elevated above his head. He's still in control on top at this time. He's grabbing a hold of Martin's ankle. He has full control with Martin not close to going around. Bowman then goes to 2 hands on the one ankle. Martin's shoe pops off and he spins behind for what looks like a reversal, but clearly only got out because of his shoe coming off. Ref calls delay of match. Brands checks with official to confirm if it was injury time since the shoe came off. Official confirms that it was injury time. The ref did not award a reversal. In fact he was going to resume the match with Bowman on top since it was not a reversal. Since it was injury time, Bowman gets his choice in position and chooses down. You can hear the official as clear as day saying "no reversal" in the broadcast. However, the people working the scoring table awarded 2 to Martin erroneously. The scoreboard is showing 17-5. You can even hear someone in the background shout "Score's wrong". Next Brands asks "did you award a reversal??" The official says, "no, no it was just injury time". You can even hear the official say the score should be at 15. However, he never corrected the scoreboard and the score remained incorrect for the remainder of the match and resulted in a major instead of a decision. So the match then resumes with Bowman getting his choice following the Martin injury time. Bowman chooses down. Bowman then gets an escape immediately. Now score should be 6-15. Bowman locks up a cradle on a go behind with 19 seconds remaining. Gets the TD so now score should be 15-8. Match concludes. No riding time pt for either guy. Final score on scoreboard is incorrectly showing 17-8. Match is truly 15-8 which is a 7 pt decision not a 9 pt major.
These are all facts. Goodluck arguing against all of that video evidence. Am I still the delusional one or is ironically you? You claim you have more than enough wrestling experience to know what you saw. Well your eyes are lying to you then. You can't deny reality and facts.
And one last final point. You claimed Martin got "unlucky" in a late scramble to miss the tech. So now you're using luck as a valid reason why Martin didn't get the tech? You gotta be kidding me Dr. delusion lmfao. Couldn't it be unlucky for Bowman that he didn't get the fall? He had the cradle locked up and was turning Martin over. Just ridiculous to call that unlucky for Martin lol. The fact is Bowman was closer to winning the match than Martin was to the tech.
Can't wait to hear your rebuttal to the facts. I expect an apology.
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Ok so you were at the match too and were sitting close enough to hear the exchange? I wish you would have said something because I was there and would have loved to have met you. You seem like a real stand up knowledgeable wrestling fan isn't a delusional homer. I'm sure you're right in that the Bopsy twins were completely ok with Myles getting 2 unearned points and just let it go because they didn't feel like arguing the point. C'mon, even you're not that dumb.. wait... nevermind.
To your point on Snorenson, Ok he was tied. My point was, you posted like the match was in control for him the whole time and he dominated. It wasn't. He is going to lose more than once before the end of the year and like it or not, will NOT be the favorite to make the finals. Feel free to call me out when he does. Until then shut up.
Now, I've asked you nicely to refrain from responding to my posts. Go back to your hole on HR where you belong so the grown ups can talk about wrestling. Bye Bye now, good day then.
I don't know why but this is what I always picture Vodka to look like..
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Dude, I linked you the video replay of the match. You can literally watch and follow my explanation in slow motion with the volume on and you'll be able to understand everything I said. You're now trippling down on the erroneous claim that the ref did award a reversal?
It was a mistake by the ref to not correct the scoring table and it was a mistake by Brands to not correct it either. The ref explicitly said it was not a reversal. He explicitly said the score should be 15. I didn't hear it because I was sitting close at the meet. I heard it on the recorded broadcast that you can listen to and rewind and listen to again and rewind and listen to again until it goes through your stubborn brain.
When you deny facts, continue to call me delusional when you are the one who is not understanding the circumstance and what actually happened despite clear video evidence, that is hilariously ironic and quickly approaching the point of mental derangement.
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