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Iowa @ Ohio State PBP, Results and Discussion Thread

Already posted on HR, and it most certainly wasn't supportive of holding Sam out.

Spencer is currently still recovering from a significant knee injury that was repaired less than a year ago and somehow managed to take the mat against a very strong and skilled opponent. Yeah i know. That's different.

Nine other kids battled to give Iowa a shot. Not a realistic shot (except maybe in your foggy head), but a shot and fearful of a big, strong, highly ranked athlete not being able to withstand the possible physical beating from a slightly higher ranked athlete the decision was made to punt the shot to win. Then to top it off, despite the fear the big, bad Buck might hurt the bigger, bad hawk the Hawk staff sent out a smaller, more susceptible to injury backup to take the beating.

If asking s honest question is trolling, then for your satisfaction we will go with trolling.

Did you post this same question on HR? I highly doubt it. You posted it here where it wouldn't be held to the fire for it's absurdity.

I'm not saying I agree with Stoll sitting out.

I'm just saying your post is one of the dumber ones I've seen lately. You have to be trolling. If Holloway takes a physical beating and tears his ACL what is lost? He isn't going to NCAAs regardless. He isn't seeing the lineup in the next few years at Iowa unless one of the starters is injured. Stoll is currently the clear #3 and has potential to place at NCAAs for first time. For you to make the argument you are making, I really can not believe you are not trolling.

Also, to word it that Snyder is only slightly higher ranked than Stoll is utterly ridiculous. Snyder is the best hwt in the world in both freestyle and folkstyle and could quite possibly go on to be one of the most accomplished american wrestlers of all time. Stoll is not merely ranked slightly below him. The gap between Snyder and Stoll is a lot bigger than the gap between Stoll and the #10

As the saying goes, "put down the vodka".
 
who cares if he posts it on HR? Does that make him a man/woman? Does he get anonymous message board poster of the year for that? Does he need to do it to get validation from you? Why do you even care what he posts and where he does?

You type a lot, but I fail to see what point you are trying to make. Might be on me, but d@mn your all up in arms over what I think is nothing.
 
Did you post this same question on HR? I highly doubt it. You posted it here where it wouldn't be held to the fire for it's absurdity.

I'm not saying I agree with Stoll sitting out.

I'm just saying your post is one of the dumber ones I've seen lately. You have to be trolling. If Holloway takes a physical beating and tears his ACL what is lost? He isn't going to NCAAs regardless. He isn't seeing the lineup in the next few years at Iowa unless one of the starters is injured. Stoll is currently the clear #3 and has potential to place at NCAAs for first time. For you to make the argument you are making, I really can not believe you are not trolling.

Also, to word it that Snyder is only slightly higher ranked than Stoll is utterly ridiculous. Snyder is the best hwt in the world in both freestyle and folkstyle and could quite possibly go on to be one of the most accomplished american wrestlers of all time. Stoll is not merely ranked slightly below him. The gap between Snyder and Stoll is a lot bigger than the gap between Stoll and the #10

As the saying goes, "put down the vodka".
And you keep thinking that Snyder is a freestyle hwt. I thought you weren't going to post over here until after nationals. Liar.
 
I think all would agree as fans we want to see the best vs. the best. I'm not sure of the Brands' motives but I will say that I don't recall that being the norm for Iowa. They seem to put their guys out there to decide it on the mat.
 
Just a thought.
Does anybody else find it hypocritical for a coach to not send out his highly ranked athlete against a slightly higher ranked athlete in fear of the higher ranked athlete hurting his highly ranked athlete? Yet it is OK to send a scrubb out to take the health risking beating instead?

Just a thought?

Yes. But it's even more ridiculous when the scrub is going out when a pin will win the dual and the first team guy is huge and much more capable of getting a pin.

This is what it's come to for Iowa fans - their revered coach basically throws in the towel with a chance, albeit a slim one, to win the dual and gets defended (by most, there were some people who were pissed). Then they celebrate the team's performance as a moral victory. I guess they are more realistic these days, which probably qualifies as a good thing.

I think all would agree as fans we want to see the best vs. the best. I'm not sure of the Brands' motives but I will say that I don't recall that being the norm for Iowa. They seem to put their guys out there to decide it on the mat.

That was the old Iowa, bully on the block. This is the "orange" Iowa. ;)
 
Did you post this same question on HR? I highly doubt it. You posted it here where it wouldn't be held to the fire for it's absurdity.

I'm not saying I agree with Stoll sitting out.

I'm just saying your post is one of the dumber ones I've seen lately. You have to be trolling. If Holloway takes a physical beating and tears his ACL what is lost? He isn't going to NCAAs regardless. He isn't seeing the lineup in the next few years at Iowa unless one of the starters is injured. Stoll is currently the clear #3 and has potential to place at NCAAs for first time. For you to make the argument you are making, I really can not believe you are not trolling.

Also, to word it that Snyder is only slightly higher ranked than Stoll is utterly ridiculous. Snyder is the best hwt in the world in both freestyle and folkstyle and could quite possibly go on to be one of the most accomplished american wrestlers of all time. Stoll is not merely ranked slightly below him. The gap between Snyder and Stoll is a lot bigger than the gap between Stoll and the #10

As the saying goes, "put down the vodka".
Vodka dude.
Honestly. Your need to set posting rules is humorous.
You had a shot at the match and your staff punted.
The thing i find ridiculous is the need to protect Sam is AOK. Risking the smaller Holloway is AOK, I mean if that kid gets hurt so what. Right? I mean you just posted that.
Protect Sam, risk Spencer. Still AOK.

The question now is how far would you go in your rationalization efforts to justify any and all that is Honey Bee Black and Yellow?
 
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Did you post this same question on HR? I highly doubt it. You posted it here where it wouldn't be held to the fire for it's absurdity.

I'm not saying I agree with Stoll sitting out.

I'm just saying your post is one of the dumber ones I've seen lately. You have to be trolling. If Holloway takes a physical beating and tears his ACL what is lost? He isn't going to NCAAs regardless. He isn't seeing the lineup in the next few years at Iowa unless one of the starters is injured. Stoll is currently the clear #3 and has potential to place at NCAAs for first time. For you to make the argument you are making, I really can not believe you are not trolling.

Also, to word it that Snyder is only slightly higher ranked than Stoll is utterly ridiculous. Snyder is the best hwt in the world in both freestyle and folkstyle and could quite possibly go on to be one of the most accomplished american wrestlers of all time. Stoll is not merely ranked slightly below him. The gap between Snyder and Stoll is a lot bigger than the gap between Stoll and the #10

As the saying goes, "put down the vodka".

Stoll is the clear number 3? He has avoided two tough opponents to get this "clear number 3" title, so I'm not sure I subscribe just yet. He was held out against Maryland and now tOSU, so we can't get as clear a picture in either event. Tom Brands can do the old duck and dodge thing all he wants with his guys, but don't pretend he isn't exactly like Tom Ryan in that regard. He has ducked with Stoll twice this year. I once thought PD3 was a bad fit with Iowa, but it does seem he shares quite a bit of the same motives with his new head coach.
 
Gable was not in the BJC that night. Zalesky did not send a heavyweight out to wrestle Kerry, and to make it better waved hello with his one finger.

Not sending Jan Johnson out to wrestle Waltz when Penn State had the match won is not exactly the same thing as not sending the number 3 ranked heavyweight out to wrestle when even better than realistically, but in actuality the match was still there to be won.
Sorry, but that's BS.

Read Nolan Zavoral's book 'A Season on the Mat.' I've read it twice. Have you ever read it? Zavoral was granted full access to the Iowa room that year. Gable did not make the trip to PA (Iowa wrestled Lock Haven and then PSU) because he was having knee surgery. Before the team left, Gable fully approved of Zalesky's plan for that dual meet. Well, I'm not sure he approved of the middle finger, but he approved of the decision to not wrestle Wes Hand.

And, of course it's not "exactly the same thing," but it's very similar. I don't remember if Wes Hand was the number 3 ranked wrestler, but that doesn't sound right. Hand was a freshman that year, and as Zavoral details, he struggled in many matches. He did not finish as an AA. Gable and Zalesky felt that sending Hand to face McCoy might shatter his fragile confidence, which is the same logic behind the decision to not wrestle Johnson against Walz.
 
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Stoll is the clear number 3? He has avoided two tough opponents to get this "clear number 3" title, so I'm not sure I subscribe just yet. He was held out against Maryland and now tOSU, so we can't get as clear a picture in either event..

Funny..I was going to post the EXACT same thing.."Clear #3" when you duck two of the 3 ranked guys he faced.

So Nevills would have been the clear #3 after he beat Hall in All Star and Kasper at Keystone. If he would have ducked everyone else..he would be clear 3 in Vodkas mind.
 
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Vodka dude.
Honestly. Your need to set posting rules is humorous.
You had a shot at the match and your staff punted.
The thing i find ridiculous is the need to protect Sam is AOK. Risking the smaller Holloway is AOK, I mean if that kid gets hurt so what. Right? I mean you just posted that.
Protect Sam, risk Spencer. Still AOK.

The question now is how far would you go in your rationalization efforts to justify any and all that is Honey Bee Black and Yellow?

You're doubling down on that idiotic post.

Also, did you miss the part where I said I would have liked to see Stoll wrestle?

I can understand, support, and possibly agree with an argument saying Stoll should have wrestled.

What I can't understand, support, or even comprehend is the idiotic argument that risking a Stoll injury (#3 ranked guy who has a history of season ending knee injuries) is equivalent to risking a Holloway injury (guy who is worth 0 pts at nationals and would not see the mat if not for an Iowa starter sitting our or being injured. And who does not have a history of season ending knee injuries).

Please. You are better than that. That is seriously one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen from someone who is not a blatant troll. And you enhanced the stupidity further by wording it in a way that makes it sound like Stoll is only ranked "slightly below Snyder". lmao. sure, just like I am only ranked slightly below Einstein, when compared in a 2 man pool of me and Einstein.

This is the level of stupidity your posts can reach when you post in a circle jerk and no one calls you on your BS. Like I said, how come you post that here but on HR wouldn't dare make that stupid of a post b/c you know you'd be called out on it.
 
Already posted on HR, and it most certainly wasn't supportive of holding Sam out.

Spencer is currently still recovering from a significant knee injury that was repaired less than a year ago and somehow managed to take the mat against a very strong and skilled opponent. Yeah i know. That's different.

Nine other kids battled to give Iowa a shot. Not a realistic shot (except maybe in your foggy head), but a shot and fearful of a big, strong, highly ranked athlete not being able to withstand the possible physical beating from a slightly higher ranked athlete the decision was made to punt the shot to win. Then to top it off, despite the fear the big, bad Buck might hurt the bigger, bad hawk the Hawk staff sent out a smaller, more susceptible to injury backup to take the beating.

If asking an honest question is trolling, then for your satisfaction we will go with trolling.

If it's "already posted" on HR, then maybe you two should go get a room there.
 
Not that this is surprising, but vodka proved he does not keep his word over weekend and he keeps continuing, just when we were all enjoying our vacation from him.

Yep broke my self imposed restriction. Your boy Nitlion on a roll with ridiculous posts lately. Keep him in line and I'll stay off the board.
 
I avoid HR because it is a delusional place filled with idiots, so now the idiot in chief of the place hangs out here day and night? It sure seems the vodka induced opinions would be more welcomed by individuals who drink the same punch day in and day out. Go be with your kind.
 
I avoid HR because it is a delusional place filled with idiots, so now the idiot in chief of the place hangs out here day and night? It sure seems the vodka induced opinions would be more welcomed by individuals who drink the same punch day in and day out. Go be with your kind.

So you agree with Nitlion6's premise on Stoll/Holloway being an equivalent risk for injury to the Hawks?
 
I avoid HR because it is a delusional place filled with idiots, so now the idiot in chief of the place hangs out here day and night? It sure seems the vodka induced opinions would be more welcomed by individuals who drink the same punch day in and day out. Go be with your kind.

You guys keep mentioning this vodka character. Personally, I haven't seen a post from him for months. If everyone would do that instead of responding to him don't you think that would be a more effective way of dealing with him. It would almost certainly drive him nuts since no one would respond to him, and having people respond to him is obviously what he wants. Just saying. :D
 
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I avoid HR because it is a delusional place filled with idiots, so now the idiot in chief of the place hangs out here day and night? It sure seems the vodka induced opinions would be more welcomed by individuals who drink the same punch day in and day out. Go be with your kind.
Look NO FURTHER than all of their rabid reaction to something that I posted in error on there. it's entitled, or something to that effect, "Has This Been Discussed Here Yet?"
 
You're doubling down on that idiotic post.

Also, did you miss the part where I said I would have liked to see Stoll wrestle?

I can understand, support, and possibly agree with an argument saying Stoll should have wrestled.

What I can't understand, support, or even comprehend is the idiotic argument that risking a Stoll injury (#3 ranked guy who has a history of season ending knee injuries) is equivalent to risking a Holloway injury (guy who is worth 0 pts at nationals and would not see the mat if not for an Iowa starter sitting our or being injured. And who does not have a history of season ending knee injuries).

Please. You are better than that. That is seriously one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen from someone who is not a blatant troll. And you enhanced the stupidity further by wording it in a way that makes it sound like Stoll is only ranked "slightly below Snyder". lmao. sure, just like I am only ranked slightly below Einstein, when compared in a 2 man pool of me and Einstein.

This is the level of stupidity your posts can reach when you post in a circle jerk and no one calls you on your BS. Like I said, how come you post that here but on HR wouldn't dare make that stupid of a post b/c you know you'd be called out on it.


Vodka again, get a new hobby. You are way over the edge. You use the words stupid and idiotic way too much. As in The Lady Doth protest too much. Just go away. Its fine with civil discourse. But the repeated idiot and stupid remarks are useless and if you continue you should be banned. You are just trolling now.
 
Vodka again, get a new hobby. You are way over the edge. You use the words stupid and idiotic way too much. As in The Lady Doth protest too much. Just go away. Its fine with civil discourse. But the repeated idiot and stupid remarks are useless and if you continue you should be banned. You are just trolling now.

You can't be serious. Go read half the posts directed at me by posters here. If me calling someone's post idiotic warrants a ban then your entire forum is going to be empty because most here are guilty of that.
 
So it is your official position that mother tomresa cares about the health of his point scoring wrestlers and couldn't care less if a backup it maimed or killed on the mat? Got it.

Yes exactly my opinion is that anyone who steps on the mat against Snyder is at risk of being maimed and killed. That's what I said.

Hilarious that you intentionally fail to understand the logic of the initial conversation regarding risk to Stoll vs. risk to Holloway for the Hawks.
 
Look NO FURTHER than all of their rabid reaction to something that I posted in error on there. it's entitled, or something to that effect, "Has This Beescussed Here Yet?"

You figured the place out rather quickly Ban. This place isn't at all like HR. You can have opinions contrary to the status quo and survive quite nicely. You can even say nice things about other programs and coaches without being attacked.
 
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Sooooooo I see that Vodka is back. GREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAATTTT.. I refuse to read his incoherent ramblings but I assume from some of the responses he is laying down the law on who is allowed to post what and where. I'll have to go back and read all the rules so he doesn't call any compliance offices on me.

On a side note, I was at the OSU vs. Iowa wrestling match yesterday and have to say it was somewhat entertaining.

Spencer had the look of "I'm not losing this" after 2 and Nato had the look of "I really shouldn't have cut that last 14 pounds this morning." Spencer looked every bit as strong as Nato which makes me think Nato will struggle with Suriano and Rivera as much as he did with Spencer. There are 10 guys that could win this weight in March, can't wait.

Pletcher looks more impressive/dominant in person but I found myself still checking out my phone during his match (maybe cause PSU was about to start :)

Mckenna doesn't look like all american material at all right now. Something about the conditioning of Nato, Mckenna and Hayes looks very familiar.

If Hayes had lungs, he would have beat Snorenson. I thought Snorer was a better athlete but was clearly outmatched in that category. Never really doubted him winning because Hayes conditioning is just that bad. Still think Sorenson has a tough time making the finals this year in either tournament.

Kem looked good but let Micah hang around. Micah is just physically outmanned by the top guys at this weight. My guess is 6th is best case scenario for Micah this year with strong possibility of not placing.

Marrinelli is a brawler but lack of offense is going to be his downfall in March. If he goes down big early, literally has nothing to get back in the match.

74 was boring and predictable, reminded me of a Dean Heil match.

Myles looks tough and was one of the few buckeyes that wrestled the whole match. He got scored on late in a unlucky scramble or it would have been a tech.

Moore looked really good and the match was a domination that the score didn't reflect at all. He should still be the heavy favorite come March. Still think Cash is AA this year.

Snyder looked a little winded and out of shape. Just kidding, he looked like Capt America per usual. Hope he destroys the Russians.

Overall, the crowd was big but clearly not 100 percent sure of all the rules.
Also, thank god we don't have coaches like Tina and Tammi bouncing around the gym like a bunch of idiots. OSU coaches are slime balls but at least don't look mentally challenged during every close match. I think PSU is safe as long at the Bopsy twins are in charge of that program.

Sorry for the length, haven't been on in a while. Can't wait for Vodka's next post. And, by can't wait, I mean I could die 4 times and it still not be long enough. Cheers
 
Sooooooo I see that Vodka is back. GREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAATTTT.. I refuse to read his incoherent ramblings but I assume from some of the responses he is laying down the law on who is allowed to post what and where. I'll have to go back and read all the rules so he doesn't call any compliance offices on me.

On a side note, I was at the OSU vs. Iowa wrestling match yesterday and have to say it was somewhat entertaining.

Spencer had the look of "I'm not losing this" after 2 and Nato had the look of "I really shouldn't have cut that last 14 pounds this morning." Spencer looked every bit as strong as Nato which makes me think Nato will struggle with Suriano and Rivera as much as he did with Spencer. There are 10 guys that could win this weight in March, can't wait.

Pletcher looks more impressive/dominant in person but I found myself still checking out my phone during his match (maybe cause PSU was about to start :)

Mckenna doesn't look like all american material at all right now. Something about the conditioning of Nato, Mckenna and Hayes looks very familiar.

If Hayes had lungs, he would have beat Snorenson. I thought Snorer was a better athlete but was clearly outmatched in that category. Never really doubted him winning because Hayes conditioning is just that bad. Still think Sorenson has a tough time making the finals this year in either tournament.

Kem looked good but let Micah hang around. Micah is just physically outmanned by the top guys at this weight. My guess is 6th is best case scenario for Micah this year with strong possibility of not placing.

Marrinelli is a brawler but lack of offense is going to be his downfall in March. If he goes down big early, literally has nothing to get back in the match.

74 was boring and predictable, reminded me of a Dean Heil match.

Myles looks tough and was one of the few buckeyes that wrestled the whole match. He got scored on late in a unlucky scramble or it would have been a tech.

Moore looked really good and the match was a domination that the score didn't reflect at all. He should still be the heavy favorite come March. Still think Cash is AA this year.

Snyder looked a little winded and out of shape. Just kidding, he looked like Capt America per usual. Hope he destroys the Russians.

Overall, the crowd was big but clearly not 100 percent sure of all the rules.
Also, thank god we don't have coaches like Tina and Tammi bouncing around the gym like a bunch of idiots. OSU coaches are slime balls but at least don't look mentally challenged during every close match. I think PSU is safe as long at the Bopsy twins are in charge of that program.

Sorry for the length, haven't been on in a while. Can't wait for Vodka's next post. And, by can't wait, I mean I could die 4 times and it still not be long enough. Cheers

Sorensen controlled the entire match. Gave up one TD from a very good shot by Hayes. Sorensen struggle to make the finals? He's the clear #2. As long as he's on opposite side of bracket as Zain he is the heavy favorite to make the finals.

Myles get the tech? No lol. In fact the match was only a decision. The ref muffed the score when Martin's shoe came off. Ref called no reversal but the points were put on scoreboard and stayed there. Shame the ref and Iowa coaches didn't catch that. It was only a 7 pt decision, not a 9 pt major. Not close to a tech.

Wonder if Goethe thinks you should be banned for calling people idiots and mentally challenged.
 
You can't be serious. Go read half the posts directed at me by posters here. If me calling someone's post idiotic warrants a ban then your entire forum is going to be empty because most here are guilty of that.


Are you really this unaware? You are on another site trolling. Wait let me answer this...yes. You still think contacting compliance offices is a good thing. On top of that, his posts werent idiotic. Your Heavyweight has now ducked two wrestlers. This is not the Iowa of old that your board worships. This is the new Irony university. Make fun of PD 3 last year, embrace him this year. Make fun of Ryan for holding wrestlers out, praise Brands for the same thing. Cael only won NCAA because of double teams, Tom Brands hmnnn . Its laughable already at you and your fanbase for the excuses that rise daily from the HR. You can tell.me all you want about risking injury but its BS. Especially against Hermedia. Fly home little sparrow. The Hawks have lost their claws. Excuses is all they produce not championships.
 
Sorensen controlled the entire match. Gave up one TD from a very good shot by Hayes. Sorensen struggle to make the finals? He's the clear #2. As long as he's on opposite side of bracket as Zain he is the heavy favorite to make the finals.

Myles get the tech? No lol. In fact the match was only a decision. The ref muffed the score when Martin's shoe came off. Ref called no reversal but the points were put on scoreboard and stayed there. Shame the ref and Iowa coaches didn't catch that. It was only a 7 pt decision, not a 9 pt major. Not close to a tech.

Wonder if Goethe thinks you should be banned for calling people idiots and mentally challenged.

Snorenson was not in control of the match and was losing until the 3rd. I understand you are completely delusional but stop quoting my posts trying to convince me of what I saw. I have more than enough wrestling experience to draw my own conclusions. Sorenson will not be the favorite to make the finals come March, similar to last year when he was the 4 seed after being the 2 all year. Myles dominated the entire match and the score was not messed up, you are dumb. Martin dominated and got unlucky in a late scramble to miss the tech.

You are extremely dumb/delusional and everyone here and anyone with a brain on HR agrees with that assessment. At least on HR, your idiotic ramblings are actually read. Hate to be mean but this idiot needs to go.
 
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Sorry, but that's BS.

Read Nolan Zavoral's book 'A Season on the Mat.' I've read it twice. Have you ever read it? Zavoral was granted full access to the Iowa room that year. Gable did not make the trip to PA (Iowa wrestled Lock Haven and then PSU) because he was having knee surgery. Before the team left, Gable fully approved of Zalesky's plan for that dual meet. Well, I'm not sure he approved of the middle finger, but he approved of the decision to not wrestle Wes Hand.

And, of course it's not "exactly the same thing," but it's very similar. I don't remember if Wes Hand was the number 3 ranked wrestler, but that doesn't sound right. Hand was a freshman that year, and as Zavoral details, he struggled in many matches. He did not finish as an AA. Gable and Zalesky felt that sending Hand to face McCoy might shatter his fragile confidence, which is the same logic behind the decision to not wrestle Johnson against Walz.
Sorry. I am having a tough time following.
I said Gable was not in BJC and Zeleksy did not send out a heavyweight.

You acknowledge I am correct and actually add a few more details.

So how in the heck can you say my post is BS but essentially accurate?
 
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I missed that i was responding to the same guy in these last two posts.
The realization explains the "you are correct, but full of BS" concept.
 
I still have to favor Nato in a rematch. Lee's only points came on 2 releases and a ride out.

Lee didn't come close to scoring a TD, and I doubt Nato takes bottom next time.
I agree that while Lee won, I saw no offense from him at all. The 2nd period ride out was impressive, though. Didn't see that coming.

For Lee to win again, he will need to improve his defense (I think Nato will learn) and find a way to score on NATO. I hope he does.
 
Yep broke my self imposed restriction. Your boy Nitlion on a roll with ridiculous posts lately. Keep him in line and I'll stay off the board.
Keep me in line?
So you are acknowledging you are on here posting preposterous thoughts simply because I made fun of you and hurt your feelings. I am sorry.
 
I agree that while Lee won, I saw no offense from him at all. The 2nd period ride out was impressive, though. Didn't see that coming.

For Lee to win again, he will need to improve his defense (I think Nato will learn) and find a way to score on NATO. I hope he does.
That second period ride out was freaking impressive.
 
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