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Iowa Predictions

Creek Side

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125. Iowa 6
133. Iowa 3
141. PSU 4
149. Iowa 3
157. Iowa 3
165. PSU 3
174. PSU. 3
184. PSU 3
197. Iowa 3
Hwt. PSU 3

PSU 16 Iowa 18
What do you guys have to say?

Hopefully some of our guys can get an upset. I think it's quite possible that Nick Lee techs Murin.
 
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I think Iowa gets 5 at 125 instead of 6. While Spencer has the ability to pin anyone, he’s only got 2 pins this year. He’s got 7 TFs and one MD. He’s incredible with the tilt, but that lends itself more to the TF.
 
I had this:


Lee Tech 5-nil
Desanto D 8-nil
Lee D 8-3
Lugo D 11-3
Young D 14-3
Cenzo D 14-6
Mark D 14-9
Brooks D 14-12
Shak D 14-15
Cass D 17-15

But if Bull continues his streak and absent-minded Shak shows up, Hawks win more comfortably.

in the poll, I had Hawks by 5-9. That works if 1 of my 2 “toss ups” flips

5 Jan 19, 2020

Now, I’m thinking more like 20-12 with Shak not looking good. Just hope our guys bring it and don’t get hurt. I remember the punt year when Iowa was supposed to kill us and our very outmatched team wrestled great. We are outmatched this year, but not like in 2015
 
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I am all in on rooting for PSU as always but its time to be realistic. We are not beating Iowa in Carver this year. I just want to see improvements at 125, 149, 157, 184, 197, HWT as we need many more points from these weight classes than currently projected to have any shot in March.
 
125 Iowa 5
133 50-50 3
141 PSU 4
149 Iowa 4
157 Iowa 4
165 50-50 3
174 PSU 4
184 Iowa 3
197 Iowa 3
HWT PSU 3

Giving each team one of the 50-50 decisions, that's 22-14 Iowa. That seems reasonable to me.
 
There is a reason they wrestle the dual, but it sure feels like a comfortable Iowa victory. There are a couple of paths to victory for PSU while Iowa seems to have about 10. PSU needs to win all of the toss ups and matches they are favored in plus probably pull an upset at 133,197 or 285. 141-165-174-184 all must haves and need at least one other match plus bonus at 141. This still might not be enough. I have run it through in my mind and could see PSU winning only 2 matches (141-174), but there is also a chance PSU could win 7 matches. Tough task in Carver Hawkeye. I can see a path where Iowa wins this dual but PSU comes away as a toss up in March. If 165,174, and 184 show strongly for PSU and either RBY or Shak prove better than Desanto or Warner look out if Berge does come back strong for BIG. There is still a lot of season left.
 
I am all in on rooting for PSU as always but its time to be realistic. We are not beating Iowa in Carver this year. I just want to see improvements at 125, 149, 157, 184, 197, HWT as we need many more points from these weight classes than currently projected to have any shot in March.
Unfortunately I tend to agree with you.
 
As some have already stated, Penn State can win this dual, but the paths are few , whereas Iowa has many paths to victory. I see it this way:

Penn State Win w/Bonus: 0
Penn State Win: 141, 174
Tossup, Slight Edge PSU: 165, 184
Tossup, Slight Edge Iowa: 133, 197, HWT
Iowa Win: 149, 157 (w/Berge)
Iowa Win w/Bonus: 125, 157 (w/o Berge)

So clearly for PSU to have a shot they need to win the two matches I have them favored in and the two matches Tossup, Slight Edge PSU, plus at least 2 of the 3 Tossup, Slight Edge Iowa matches. That could still be difficult depending on how many bonus points Iowa gets in the first 5 matches (assuming we start at 125). So it could be close either way or Iowa wins big. WE ARE …..
 
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This is a good Iowa team in Carver so it's going to be a tall task for PSU. Regardless of the outcome I just want to see our boys go out and wrestle with some passion. Win or lose they'll learn from it.
 
This is a good Iowa team in Carver so it's going to be a tall task for PSU. Regardless of the outcome I just want to see our boys go out and wrestle with some passion. Win or lose they'll learn from it.
Pretty much it, imo. A very important dual, that all the wrestlers should have no problem getting up for. Embrace the moment, as these are exactly the events that guys come to Penn State to wrestle. Out-manned as a team (on paper), hostile environment, I'm excited to see how our guys respond.

It's a bit late for me to stay up and watch, but I'll just have to force myself :);).
 
I don't like our chances in that arena with those guys smelling blood. This is their Superbowl and they are all going to come out guns blazing. Plus they are a very talented and deep team. Going to be the team to beat this year and next, just need to prepare ourselves to live through the pain for awhile. I can't reasonably go through the match-ups and see a path for PSU to win. Lee is not teching Murin. We are very limited in bonus against their lineup.
 
Let's see our guys wrestle hard and come out healthy...and RBY can steal from AB's playbook and tell Desanto that he's going to pin him in March. That should start the hamsters running around in his skull for the next 7 weeks.
 
I'm honestly looking forward to just a great match. I am well aware the most likely outcome is we lose. We might get run out of CHA all together like they did to Nebraska, Wisconsin this year and more or less did to OSU. (Let's be honest, that's what they are looking to do, they don't want to win a close one even)

Alas, I'll have some fun with it. I break down 2 potential paths to a win (and they're both long shots)

Path 1: Split 5-5 and Nick/Mark find a way to outbonus Spencer

IMPORTANT: For this to work, ONLY Meredith can get bonused and ideally, he can keep it to 5. If any of our other wrestlers who lose give up anything but a decision, it's over.

#1. We are favorites at 2 weights but even heavy favorites can get Carvered. We would need to find bonus at 141 and 174 but it won't be easy to bonus against either wrestler. I think Mark might take a risk losing the match trying to get KemDawg to his back (which has been done before but only twice) He sensed we needed it against Nebraska and went for it (and got it) against Labriola. Nick has never bonused Max and even though he's improved this year, Max noticeably has also.

#2. Ask Iowa and they're favored at every other weight (especially at Carver) But IMO none of the following weights would the Iowa counterpart be an insurmountable favorite: 133/165/184/197/285. (Feels weird to say Cenzo would be an underdog but let's go with that for now since Bull is 2-0 against him) 285, maybe insurmountable in Freestyle but I think Seth can keep it close in Folk. He has to avoid Cass' feet to back neutral offense. To win 3 of those at CHA? Yeah - it's a monster challenge.

Path 2: One of Verk/Pipher pulls some kind of unthinkable upset
1. Verk counters a Lugo TD at end of period 3 with the match tied 1-1. I might have believed in this scenario if I didn't just see Verk get packed Purinton.
2. Young gets cradled by Pipher.
 
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I'm honestly looking forward to just a great match. I am well aware the most likely outcome is we lose. We might get run out of CHA all together like they did to Nebraska, Wisconsin this year and more or less did to OSU. (Let's be honest, that's what they are looking to do, they don't want to win a close one even)

Alas, I'll have some fun with it. I break down 2 potential paths to a win (and they're both long shots)

Path 1: Split 5-5 and Nick/Mark find a way to outbonus Spencer

IMPORTANT: For this to work, ONLY Meredith can get bonused and ideally, he can keep it to 5. If any of our other wrestlers who lose give up anything but a decision, it's over.

#1. We are favorites at 2 weights but even heavy favorites can get Carvered. We would need to find bonus at 141 and 174 but it won't be easy to bonus against either wrestler. I think Mark might take a risk losing the match trying to get KemDawg to his back (which has been done before but only twice) He sensed we needed it against Nebraska and went for it (and got it) against Labriola. Nick has never bonused Max and even though he's improved this year, Max noticeably has also.

#2. Ask Iowa and they're favored at every other weight (especially at Carver) But IMO none of the following weights would the Iowa counterpart be an insurmountable favorite: 133/165/184/197/285. (Feels weird to say Cenzo would be an underdog but let's go with that for now since Bull is 2-0 against him) 285, maybe insurmountable in Freestyle but I think Seth can keep it close in Folk. He has to avoid Cass' feet to back neutral offense. To win 3 of those at CHA? Yeah - it's a monster challenge.

Path 2: One of Verk/Pipher pulls some kind of unthinkable upset
1. Verk counters a Lugo TD at end of period 3 with the match tied 1-1. I might have believed in this scenario if I didn't just see Verk get packed Purinton.
2. Young gets cradled by Pipher.
Path 3 would be that Murin and Warner are actually hurt and not just ducking Pletcher and Moore and PSU gets 5 or 6 at 141 and a win at 197.
 
Path 3 would be that Murin and Warner are actually hurt and not just ducking Pletcher and Moore and PSU gets 5 or 6 at 141 and a win at 197.

Murin being out would definitely help Nick get bonus. Max is very hard to score on let alone bonus. The way Shak is wrestling right now, I'd say him vs Cash is a tossup at best.
 
How much f*n would this be?

125: Lee Fall 6-0
133: AD Dec 9-0
141: Lee Dec 9-3
149: Lugo Dec 12-3
157: Young Dec 15-3
165: Joseph Dec 15-6
174: Hall Dec 15-9
184: Brooks Dec 15-12
197: Shak Fall 15-18
285: Cass Dec 18-18

PSU wins on criteria C (Total match points scored only from decisions, major decisions and technical falls)

Ironically, a quick fall from Spencer will cost them in the criteria.
 
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How much f*n would this be?

125: Lee Fall 6-0
133: AD Dec 9-0
141: Lee Dec 9-3
149: Lugo Dec 12-3
157: Young Dec 15-3
165: Joseph Dec 15-6
174: Hall Dec 15-9
184: Brooks Dec 15-12
197: Shak Fall 15-18
285: Cass Dec 18-18

PSU wins on criteria C (Total match points scored only from decisions, major decisions and technical falls)

Ironically, a quick fall from Spencer will cost them in the criteria.
Wouldn't that criteria be tied, too? You have one fall each way, so 12-12? What am I missing?
 
My prediction is Iowa will be so fired up that some of their guys will gas out in the third. Almost Mckenna style in last years dual vs Lee.
 
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125 Iowa 5 PSU 0
133 Iowa 8 PSU 0
141 Iowa 8 PSU 4
149 Iowa 12 PSU 4
157 Iowa 16 PSU 4
167 Iowa 16 PSU 7
174 Iowa 16 PSU 11
184 Iowa 16 PSU 14
197 Iowa 19 PSU 14
285 Iowa 22 PSU 14
 
125 Iowa 5
133 50-50 3
141 PSU 4
149 Iowa 4
157 Iowa 4
165 50-50 3
174 PSU 4
184 Iowa 3
197 Iowa 3
HWT PSU 3

Giving each team one of the 50-50 decisions, that's 22-14 Iowa. That seems reasonable to me.[/QUOTE
Call me crazy but I could see something big happening at 165, as in +/-6 points.

May I call you crazy. Who is getting the 6? I would guesstimate that 60/40 that would be Marinelli.
 
I don't like our chances in that arena with those guys smelling blood. This is their Superbowl and they are all going to come out guns blazing. Plus they are a very talented and deep team. Going to be the team to beat this year and next, just need to prepare ourselves to live through the pain for awhile. I can't reasonably go through the match-ups and see a path for PSU to win. Lee is not teching Murin. We are very limited in bonus against their lineup.
irombird wants to get a train ticket to bring in Michael.......Buffer and vodka's looking into the legalities
 
May I call you crazy. Who is getting the 6? I would guesstimate that 60/40 that would be Marinelli.
What I meant was it could be Cenzo or Marinelli with a fall. Crazy atmosphere, 2 powerful wrestlers capable of big moves, and anything can happen. Of course, I'm hoping it's six for the Italian in blue!
But no offense in calling me crazy. I was kinda asking for it.
 
Iowa 5
Iowa 4
PSU 3
Iowa 3
Iowa 4
Iowa 3
PSU 3
Iowa 3
Iowa 3
Iowa 3

Iowa 28 PSU 6
 
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