Not a fan of this at all, time to move on we won’t be going anywhere again next year 5 loses here we come
Football Penn State QB Sean Clifford set to return for 2022 season
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Will CV get an opportunity to start or play more? I am not confident in that prospect.
Do you really think Clifford, Veilleux, Allar, and Pribula will all get a chance to play?
Yes but without Clifford you are looking at potentially 3 losses by October 1st. The prospects for next year just got a lot better.
Even with Clifford back I think there’s a decent chance the 2023 QB starter is playing a lot of football by the end of the 2022 season. Regardless, no coach would throw away a 2022 season just to be better prepared for 2023.
Do those who don't want Clifford back to make way for "can't miss" QB Allar have amnesia? Do they remember "can't miss" Hackenberg? "Can't miss" Bolden? "Can't miss" Morelli?
Clifford coming back is great for the program. A good, experienced QB returning for another year is always a good thing. And spare me the transfer portal, free agent nonsense. That's for the SEC sewers of the world.
Clifford coming back is great for the program. A good, experienced QB returning for another year is always a good thing. And spare me the transfer portal, free agent nonsense. That's for the SEC sewers of the world.
I don't believe the prospects for next season got better. Veilleux, in a limited sample of playing time, was more accurate and had better pocket awareness than Clifford has shown the last 2 seasons. So I don't believe starting a young, talented QB, Veilleux or whoever possibly would beat him out of Pribula or Allar, is throwing away a season. Did oh-high-ya throw away their season by starting Stroud? No. Starting young, talented QB's is the nature of top 20 college football now. And making a judgment or statement that starting a young and talented QB is throwing away a season seems irrational.
There is no basis for predicting that the 2023 starting QB will get a lot of playing time in 2022 based upon Franklin's body of work as coach of PSU.
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Clifford coming back is great for the program - Are you out of your ever-loving-mind sir?
I was happy to get a glimpse of our future when young Christian got to show his talents. I'm guessing that Clifford thinks he has no future in football after leaving Penn State.
Nobody ever said that those 3 QB's of yesterday were 'can't miss'.
You work for CNN? I have to ask.
You have to think Clifford is locked in as the starter. - That is the scary part!!
it took CV spring, all of preseason and 3/4 of the season before CJF was ready to bump him to 2nd string. Hopefully with a kid like Allar you can short cycle that bit now that the offense is installed. He is still not going to be ready to start at the beginning of the season, let alone beat Clifford or CV out for the starting job. CV did a nice job against RU. But it was Rutgers. if you watched TFrank's breakdown of his performance there were lots of issues that need to be corrected or re-enforced with his understanding of MY scheme. Allar may have arm talent, but it's the in betwee the ears is what is going to get him on the field.
Sure. if he does. I don't think it's fair to say that CV outplayed a healthy SC though.
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I would say that the reluctance of some fans to have Clifford back really means they think the following:
"Well Clifford is starting no matter what the incoming guys do."
And that's the real problem. To me, Clifford has been a good player, a good representative. He's welcome back. But CJF must play whoever is the best at that time.
No one trusts him to do that. Unfortunately.
Correct. If Clifford doesn’t get hurt, even with our O weaknesses, this is a 11-1 or 10-2 team, and many more people would be thrilled he is coming back. However, he got hurt, season went sideways, and many are instead crying about it.
What should happen if, for example, CV shows he is better all through spring practice and into fall practice?
What do you think WILL happen IF CV shows that?
This is good news overall. He was the unquestioned MVP of this season. Having him at the top of the position group will hopefully keep the team above .500 in what looks like a rough rebuilding year depending on who leaves.
That depends on Franklin. He is well known for not allowing open competition at that particular position and going with his guy if he has any choice.
Many of us were asking what the hell happened in 2020, and expected it to be a one off problem as we headed into 2021. Instead, 2021 looked eerily similar to 2020 so now people are asking have the wheels fallen off in the Penn State Football Program? Im very skeptical as to whether Franklin knows how to improve things.
We need to stop with the coulda woulda shouldas, we were not a good team in 2021. Clifford was not the problem in 2021 but we also know that he is not skilled enough to get us to the playoffs. Clifford coming back helps Franklin achieve 2-4 losses next year, versus the 3-6 losses that many of us have been predicting for next years rebuilding year.
two of the young guns get to play one sits. The key is for this team to occasionally put a beat down on teams which we have done rarely in the past two years. One of the downsides of playing 9 games in the B10 AND scheduling a team like Auburn. Not enough powerpuff games to get the young players feet wet.
Pretty amazing we have gone 11-10 in the past two years, now predicting a ~0.500 season and we added another million to JF compensation.
Definitely not down in Austin. They wear knee pads down here for the burnt Orange
Clifford is ****ing good. End of story.
I actually wish he would portal somewhere and come back and kick our asses so people get a little more realistic of who we are.
where it stands right now, a three year starter and finishing in the top 5 of every an category. And one of those years was the stupid covid year.
I actually wish he would portal somewhere and come back and kick our asses so people get a little more realistic of who we are.
where it stands right now, a three year starter and finishing in the top 5 of every an category. And one of those years was the stupid covid year.
Well, JVP played upperclassmen to a fault. JF has a much better track record of playing Freshmen. Honest question, what backup QB do you think should have started during JF's tenure?
The problem here is that Franklin tends to play the starter deep into blowouts.
I suspect that CV was not, and is not currently, as good as Sean Clifford.
I'm just saying that people are suspicious that Franklin won't play the best player if it is going to cause turmoil/dissention.
I don't know if that's true, just that it is a concern.
I remember when John Cooper cost himself a national title playing Stanley Jackson and Joe Germaine, even though it was clear as glass that Germaine was the better player. It happens.
Maybe he isn’t but he was a four-star recruit also. If anything he proves that you have no clue with these two freshman will be.
Clifford has been good. Not great, but good.
Not hard to finish in the top-5 of many categories when (1) you're the starter for 3 seasons and (2) we're in a pass-happy era of CFB. His only real competition stats-wise, then, become other 3-year starters in the 21st century. And there aren't many of them.
It's a net benefit to have him back for the 2022 season at least. If the season turns out to be a rebuild and a 5-loss type of season, well it would be better off rolling with Allar and getting him that critical experience. But nobody can predict that. And coaches have to win NOW. Thus, Clifford gives us the best chance to do it.
He won't be in any Heisman conversations, but no reason why he shouldn't have a solid season.
Clifford is going to be the best option under center when the season starts. Probably by a long shot. The problem is that nobody on this board will believe it.
And that's the real problem. To me, Clifford has been a good player, a good representative. He's welcome back. But CJF must play whoever is the best at that time.
No one trusts him to do that. Unfortunately.
Exactly!!!
I think it’s worth pointing out that Clifford got his initial starting job over an older QB in Stevens.
