PSU - Nebraska 2020 Dual Thread

[PSUer1989]

Some people are pretty harsh on our guys. We should have learned by now to trust Cael in regards to his lineups. He sees these guys in the room every day. He knows what is best for the wrestlers and the program. The fact that people complain about a match we won, in which our guys wrestled hard in a hostile environment, points to how entitled fans can become. We are probably not going to win 80% of the titles every decade, get used to it. But if they don't, it won't be for lack of effort or poor coaching.

 

[82bordeaux]

Some people are pretty harsh on our guys. We should have learned by now to trust Cael in regards to his lineups. He sees these guys in the room every day. He knows what is best for the wrestlers and the program. The fact that people complain about a match we won, in which our guys wrestled hard in a hostile environment, points to how entitled fans can become. We are probably not going to win 80% of the titles every decade, get used to it. But if they don't, it won't be for lack of effort or poor coaching.

I recall sitting in the stands when Cael was putting Cassar out against Moore thinking that Cael is waving a white flag. That's why I was sitting in the stands and Cael was in the corner. I'm done doubting. Now I just sit back and enjoy the ride.

 

[nerfstate]

Part of what makes the sport great


PS, saw you mat side @smalls103 you’re wearing that Keto thing nicely, looking good!

 

[07mantle]

Omg. This is the worst official I’ve seen yet

nah, the guy last week for the Rutgers match has that honor

 

[Ja1339]

285: #20 Seth Nevills vs. #16 Christian Lance

Per 1
Nothing thru 1st min. Seth shoots, blocked. Nothing thru 2 min. Snacks reaches, nothing. End

Per 2
Lance takes down. Lance to his feet and tripped down. Lance back up, and tripped back down. Back up again, and tripped back down. Snacks is a good rider. RT over 1 min. Near the edge. Stalemate with 35 sec left. Lance to his feet, and Snacks trips him back down and flattens him. Lance works up, but back down. End. A rideout. RT @ 2 min for Snacks

Per 3
Seth takes bottom. He works up, and he's out in 7 sec, 1-0. Snacks has a front headlock, but nothing. Snacks tries to circle behind but they go OOB with 1:23 left. Lance on a leg, Seth fighting it, and works out of it. Wow. Nice job Snacks. OOB with 51 sec, and stall warning on Lance for backing off. Lance shoots and is blocked. Stalemate with 40 sec. Lance shoots, nothing. Lance gets a leg, stall warning on Snacks, Seth spins behind for the TD, 3-0. End. With 2:11 in RT, it's a 4-0 decision!!!

20-18, PSU

Snacks seems to have pretty advanced riding skills for a freshman. Very impressive!

 

[slushhead]

. . . Yeah, he has the metabolism of a shrew and he can be excitable . . .

Haha, love the analogy.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Snacks seems to have pretty advanced riding skills for a freshman. Very impressive!

Next week should be interesting.

 

[tbay165]

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This guy must be insane. Many facts wrong, match strategy entirely off base, way too many words, too loud........

 

[nerfstate]

This guy must be insane. Many facts wrong, match strategy entirely off base, way too many words, too loud........

ken has always been a little exuberant. I wouldn’t call him insane, but definitely a quirky personality. all the same, he was the first Penn State wrestler to be an Olympian in my lifetime (was he the first ever?)—so I can’t actively hate him.

 

[Ski]

A few musing from inside the arena:

1. Hats off to Nebraska... National TV audience, and they delivered. The boys came to wrestle their best and the 5,960+ were loudly behind them. It was a really electric atmosphere in the arena.

2. Speaking of the arena... just a beautiful arena, which is very important since B1G tourney is anticipated to be there in 2022 after PSU next year. Not a bad sight line in the place and i was told it will hold 9,000 full. Most of the seating is chair back; however, the lower potions are bleachers as they get “pushed in” for some sports, and likely will to accommodate all the mats for B1Gs. Only real negative... it’s out in no man’s land with no bars or restaurants around it, and parking flow not very good... so between sessions will be inconvenient.

3. The officiating was a bit to be desired. RBY’s pin was missed when the ref being originally in the the right position to make the call inexplicably moved opposite side where he could see nothing. The stalling call on Pipher while he’s clearly trying get off bottom on his knees or tripod position was ridiculous while their guy just hung on top not even pretending to be working for a turning combo. Then calling it the opposite way against PSU... but here’s why:

4. The one really big negative of the night was the behavior of Coach Manning and all his assistants. I was seated center aisle, center mat on the team side of the mat. Coach Manning or his assistants actually led the cheers for stalling... turning to the crowd and pumping their stall fists in the air starting the mob chanting. Often, the minute one of their guys got a take down, within seconds they pleaded for a stall and wound up the crowd. It was really a pathetic sight to see ... and more inside baseball:

5. In the takedown challenge... Manning acting in a childish pique threw the brick on the first “non call” (which from my position was not a take down) but action continued to the edge where a hand was down with a foot in bounds. I remember saying to myself... “whew, good thing he challenged the first non-take down”... then as everyone is talking to their wrestlers, one of Manning’s asst quietly wandered over to the official and pointed to the spot of the second takedown. Thank goodness Cael et alii figured it out before it was announced. What little respect I had left for Nebraska coaching staff got totally flushed at that point.

so... take it for what the above is... just my opinions ... take’m or leave them!

Agree on the Nebraska coaches. I wasn’t there, but watching from home I wanted to reach into the TV and slap the smile off of Steve Urkel’s face.

 

[McScoreley]

I think Shak is completely a mental and confidence thing right now. Truthfully he looked better last year with a torn ACL than he does right now and I think he's close to 100% because he has no brace on. He beat Venz and more or less had Ness beat on a torn ACL. He was still shooting and scoring. Hope Shak can get over the hump and leave college wrestling on his terms.

 

[nerfstate]

 

[tbay165]

ken has always been a little exuberant. I wouldn’t call him insane, but definitely a quirky personality. all the same, he was the first Penn State wrestler to be an Olympian in my lifetime (was he the first ever?)—so I can’t actively hate him.

I was saying Pyles was insane for indicating he did a good job.

 

[creamery freak]

Ed Ruth was fabulous as a redshirt freshman. Tremendous skill, speed and power. Great from the top position and on his feet. It is early and maybe he is hurt but AB, for now, doesn't remind me at all of a redshirt freshman named Ed Ruth.

AB is a true freshman and there is quite a difference because Ed had an extra year in the room for the technical training and to get physically stronger. I said in a previous post about the difference in Zain after his red shirt was night and day. Nolf and Nickal could have both done well as true frosh wrestlers but I doubt they would have been finalists that year. Save the guys shirts and look forward to the next 4 years.

 

[Cowbell Man]

How can PSU not have anybody competitive at 125, 149 or 157? Going to cost us a natty

Your question only applies to 149. The 125 and 157 story is well understood.

 

[PSUbluTX]

So who won, Nick's dad or Red's dad? Was the bout on a mat or in the parking lot?

 

[Cowbell Man]

Home cooking.

Actually it is the flaw in the video review.

we saw what looked like at TD and then definitely saw a TD

what looked like one wasn’t because one of the knees was off the mat even tho the hand was. So it was waved off. But even though it wasn’t one, there was a TD like 2 seconds later. But that doesn’t count because the review evaporated the wrestling action and thus the actual TD.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Great win last eve. Sitting here with a fresh, new knee. Thought I would pass along some thoughts. That wasn't the best we've heard from Ken - seemed to be off a bit - although I do like his analysis approach. Tuned into the Iowa match right when Lugo brought his hips to the party! Iowa looks good and every one of their wrestlers do not quit. You have to bring your A game or they will take you down a notch quickly.
Would like to see Merideth continue to improve. RBY seems to be less active in the last two matches (I know he is getting scouted against!) but makes me wonder from a strategy, injury, etc., perspective.
Lee is a little Zain - his technique on shots is improving a great deal. Hope Verk can pick it up and figure out how to get more openings. He has definitely been scouted. Like to see Pipher open it up. He had a few nice shots just too late. Cenzo must have heard the no TDs in regulation against White scoop. Hall is great... just hard to live up to the expectations - I expect a fall every time. So ridiculous of me.. AB is right there and needs to get the experience he got last night. Shaq appears to not be himself as he is wrestling so conservatively and not creating any openings - here is the guy who should have beaten the NCAA champ at 197 two years ago. He was winded again last night. Hope he keeps building in the right direction. We know he has the talent. Snacks is much more than I imagined. Needs to continue to improve on his D to ensure it works against the higher quality opponents - we'll know in a week.
Thought the crowd was great but mislead on a few occasions. Getting tired of the stalling on top not being called. Tricky situation with hand control being so vital for preventing tilts and the like.

 

[Ja1339]

Agree on the Nebraska coaches. I wasn’t there, but watching from home I wanted to reach into the TV and slap the smile off of Steve Urkel’s face.

Our coaches low-key demeanor appears to be an exception amongst their Big10 coaching brethren

 

[Dogwelder]

Great win last eve. Sitting here with a fresh, new knee. Thought I would pass along some thoughts. That wasn't the best we've heard from Ken - seemed to be off a bit - although I do like his analysis approach. Tuned into the Iowa match right when Lugo brought his hips to the party! Iowa looks good and every one of their wrestlers do not quit. You have to bring your A game or they will take you down a notch quickly.
Would like to see Merideth continue to improve. RBY seems to be less active in the last two matches (I know he is getting scouted against!) but makes me wonder from a strategy, injury, etc., perspective.
Lee is a little Zain - his technique on shots is improving a great deal. Hope Verk can pick it up and figure out how to get more openings. He has definitely been scouted. Like to see Pipher open it up. He had a few nice shots just too late. Cenzo must have heard the no TDs in regulation against White scoop. Hall is great... just hard to live up to the expectations - I expect a fall every time. So ridiculous of me.. AB is right there and needs to get the experience he got last night. Shaq appears to not be himself as he is wrestling so conservatively and not creating any openings - here is the guy who should have beaten the NCAA champ at 197 two years ago. He was winded again last night. Hope he keeps building in the right direction. We know he has the talent. Snacks is much more than I imagined. Needs to continue to improve on his D to ensure it works against the higher quality opponents - we'll know in a week.
Thought the crowd was great but mislead on a few occasions. Getting tired of the stalling on top not being called. Tricky situation with hand control being so vital for preventing tilts and the like.

Thank you for your impressions and good luck with your new knee!

 

[Ja1339]

SIAP but Cenzo fending off White's two quick shots right out of the gate were super impressive. I know that is pretty routine for him, but those were 2 good shots...not sure how many other wrestlers fight off both of those shots. I love watching Cenzo and I'm going enjoy his remaining matches.

Not gonna lie, I'm a bit melancholy about Cenzo and Marky eras nearing an end.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

SIAP but Cenzo fending off White's two quick shots right out of the gate were super impressive. I know that is pretty routine for him, but those were 2 good shots...not sure how many other wrestlers fight off both of those shots. I love watching Cenzo and I'm going enjoy his remaining matches.

Not gonna lie, I'm a bit melancholy about Cenzo and Marky eras nearing an end.

I’d love for Mark Hall to get on staff. Totally agree with Nomad’s opinion that he’d be an awesome one.

 

[jschrantz]

I’d love for Mark Hall to get on staff. Totally agree with Nomad’s opinion that he’d be an awesome one.

First Mark has to coach high school though

 

[NoVa Lion]

First Mark has to coach high school though

Why? None of Cael, Cody, Casey, Jake, or Adam ever coached high school and they seem to be doing a fine job to me.

 

[jschrantz]

Why? None of Cael, Cody, Casey, Jake, or Adam ever coached high school and they seem to be doing a fine job to me.

that’s what Nomad said, I was referencing the FRL episode Chickenman was talking about, I should have noted such

 

[Tjsch1]

AB is a true freshman and there is quite a difference because Ed had an extra year in the room for the technical training and to get physically stronger. I said in a previous post about the difference in Zain after his red shirt was night and day. Nolf and Nickal could have both done well as true frosh wrestlers but I doubt they would have been finalists that year. Save the guys shirts and look forward to the next 4 years.

Brooks Grayshirted last year and trained at the OTC in Colorado. So technically a true Freshman but not age and experience wise. Same as Ruth

 

[El-Jefe]

Why? None of Cael, Cody, Casey, Jake, or Adam ever coached high school and they seem to be doing a fine job to me.

To establish another PSU pipeline, of course.

 

[El-Jefe]

Brooks Grayshirted last year and trained at the OTC in Colorado. So technically a true Freshman but not age and experience wise. Same as Ruth

Not the same as Ruth. Ruth spent the year taking classes, training folkstyle, and wrestling a full schedule of college opens.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Not the same as Ruth. Ruth spent the year taking classes, training folkstyle, and wrestling a full schedule of college opens.

Plus, pretty sure Brooks was still only 17 when he graduated high school. Not sure about Ruth, but most these days are 18 going on 19.

 

[amalone]

 

[amalone]

Big Snacks with the cutch late takedown and win.

 

[nerfstate]

First Mark has to coach high school though

Nomad must’ve read my post a couple of weeks ago on that topic.

 

[jammenz]

Just another case of Cael intimidating the refs:

The ref waves off the escape after Cael tells him to review it.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Just another case of Cael intimidating the refs:

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The ref waves off the escape after Cael tells him to review it.

Yup, so intimidated they only called White twice for stalling (should have been 4 or so).

Note - had to edit. White’s impression of Jake Ryan messed my memory up

 

[nerfstate]

 

[PSUbluTX]

Just another case of Cael intimidating the refs:

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The ref waves off the escape after Cael tells him to review it.

lol. Did you even bother to watch the actual video? The Nebraska coaches were chewing the ref's ear a lot longer and in greater numbers than Cael. Plus, Nebraska had the brick in their hand ready to throw but convinced the ref to review the call a 2nd time without having to throw the brick. The ref then ruled no escape after Cael had been sitting quietly on his chair for at least a minute. You funny.

 

[NittanyChris]

SIAP but Cenzo fending off White's two quick shots right out of the gate were super impressive. I know that is pretty routine for him, but those were 2 good shots...not sure how many other wrestlers fight off both of those shots. I love watching Cenzo and I'm going enjoy his remaining matches.

Not gonna lie, I'm a bit melancholy about Cenzo and Marky eras nearing an end.

Completely agree. I posted during their match that Cenzo successfully defended the same double that White used to take down Marinelli with ease a week ago. Looking forward to Cenzo-Marinelli.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Just another case of Cael intimidating the refs:

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The ref waves off the escape after Cael tells him to review it.

Jealous because you have coaches that can't intimidate a flea?

 

[amattaro]

RBY tried that same late match flurry (with less success) earlier this yea, maybe against a Lehigh. Looks like something he has been working on.

 

[tomsc]

Next week should be interesting.

Watched the Cassioppi-Traub match last night afterwards and Cassioppi is really good on his feet. But Traub rode him really hard and Cassioppi only got out late in the period. Cassiopppi-Nevills should be very interesting, not sure Cassioppi is getting out on Seth, but he sure is dangerous from neutral.