A name I really havent heard thrown around here much is Braxton Brown from Allen Tx. Thought it strange considering the connection to Bo.
Edit. Looks like he just committed to Maryland.
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SVN to PSU!!
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Edit. Looks like he just committed to Maryland.
Jason Nolf was scouting for ..... himself at the soccer game. As you said, worked for him at all levels.
Solid post. Just think someone else will be added at some point too. It’s sickening to see this come together.
Exactly. My point being, we don’t even know anything about these kids yet. I trust Cael & Co. on finding the right talent, but also with the right mindset.
This thread needs to be bumped to the top again, because...
SHAYNE VAN FREAKIN' NESS!!!
Woo Hoo!!!
SHAYNE VAN FREAKIN' NESS!!!
Woo Hoo!!!
Yeah, we are so ho hum. This is great news and gets that Blair pipeline running again hopefully.
Really sucks that the 2 biggest high school powerhouses are Sem and Blair and they happen to be well within easy driving distance to Caeladelphia
I'm old enough to remember other fanbases claiming PSU wouldn't benefit from proximity to talent under Cael.
SVN sat down with Garth and Wayne
He has some interesting things to say about his choice. He says he told the Penn State coaches early on that they were out of the running, but the coaches refused to take no for an answer.
Another fun moment was right around the 18 minute mark. SVN told the hosts his two finalists were PSU and Cornell, and he invited them to guess which one he was picking. They both chose Cornell enthusiastically. When he said no, he was committing to Penn State, Cornell was not spoken of again.
He has some interesting things to say about his choice. He says he told the Penn State coaches early on that they were out of the running, but the coaches refused to take no for an answer.
Another fun moment was right around the 18 minute mark. SVN told the hosts his two finalists were PSU and Cornell, and he invited them to guess which one he was picking. They both chose Cornell enthusiastically. When he said no, he was committing to Penn State, Cornell was not spoken of again.
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The story in this link (and the comments in particular) never gets old
https://www.blackheartgoldpants.com...ail-iowa-wrestling-topples-1-penn-state-22-13
Pish-posh. Give these guys to John Smith and Scott Goodale and it would look like Fix/Suriano.
Can you imagine trying to sell a car to Cael? I might wind up paying him to take it off the lot....
"Considering this car's post-collegiate plans, there is no better place for it than my driveway."
Unrefrigerated milk has a longer shelf life than that article.
It was the more than just the rap music. The whole concept of the video turned me off. That said...I have seen him weestle...he is darned good and I hear through the grapevine he is a good kid with his priorities on right. Did not love some of Bo or Hall’s celebrations either. Maybe I am just too old and can’t appreciate this generation.
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Shayne’s Dad went to Rutgers but was rooting for him to pick Princeton. Ouch!
Wow. The Iowa fans really like themselves a self-congratulatory circle jerk, don't they?
I have to wonder what they were saying during the two four-peats. Not that I'm going to go look for it, but if anyone has any particularly great threads/stories from BHGP (I can't help but think of SpongeBob SquarePants) after PSU stomped the tar out of them for an entire decade, I'd love to read them.
And I'm old enough to remember those idiots over on HR telling us that word is out that Cael is a pos to wrestle for and top recruits wouldnt wrestle for him anymore....
He talked about weight classes. He mentioned 138 was the plan for senior year. In college he said 141 or 149 or possibly even 157 depending on how much he grows. Believe that is consistent with someone else reported on here. He also said he did better when he didn’t cut as much weight. He said he had a smaller cut his Sophomore year than his junior year, and preferred not cutting as much. He also said his walking around weight right now was about 150.
Just a guess on my part, but I could see him starting at 149 if he redshirted a year first.
State Caellage.
More privacy so when the group circle jerk manifests there isn't the public ridicule for whose hand is where.
One of the many things I've long appreciated about Ross' writing is the tendency to include a good bit of fairness, even in a piece that's largely celebratory & full of shade.
To wit:
Applying those 2011 January words to March, we have:
1&2. "Taylor and Ruth are absolutely legit and look like strong contenders to be finalists.":
- Taylor, Finals, lost to Bubba
- Ruth, injured in a Qtrs loss, won 4 bouts after that to finish 3rd
3. "Molinaro is very tough as well and could benefit from being in a division that isn't terribly deep":
- Finals, lost to Dake
4&5. "Long and Alton came up short today, but they're still talented wrestlers capable of making deep runs in a tournament":
- Long, lost in the Semis, won 2 bouts after to finish 3rd
- Alton, lost in the Qtrs, 2-0 & the R12 5-4
6. "Wright too could wind up being a force if he can ever stop doing his drummer from Def Leppard impression out there on the mat":
I thought this one was especially prognosticatory, given what we knew then & have since learned, about Quentin's & Cael's relationship, and how Q struggled to accept Cael's coaching in January & Feb, but solved it big time in March. And because I haven't reviewed it for awhile, let's include Q's whole results list from those 3 months:
Before getting injured in the NLO, his only L was 4-3 to Hamlin in the Lehigh dual.
Then this drubbing by Gambrall in the Jan 30 Iowa Dual, 8-3. After that: it's struggle, struggle, struggle, then Revenge, Revenge, Revenge, REVENGE, Revenge. Dellago, Rutt & Steinhaus (2x!) at B1Gs, then Gambrall emphatically in the Semis, and Hamlin in the Finals.
| 02/4/11 | Michigan State Dual Meet | Ian Hinton (Michigan State) | W MD 13-1 | Recap |
| 02/6/11 | Michigan Dual Meet | Hunter Collins (Michigan) | W Fall (0:24) | Recap |
| 02/11/11 | Illinois Dual Meet | Tony Dellago (Illinois) | L 8-7 | RecapPhotos |
| 02/13/11 | Minnesota Dual Meet | #9 Kevin Steinhaus (Minnesota) | L MD 10-1 | RecapPhotos |
| 02/18/11 | Wisconsin Dual Meet | #3 Travis Rutt (Wisconsin) | L Fall (4:41) | RecapPhotos |
| 03/5/11 | Big Ten Championships | Hunter Collins (Michigan) | W MD 10-2 | RecapPhotosBrackets (PDF) |
| 03/5/11 | Big Ten Championships | #3 Travis Rutt (Wisconsin) | W 4-3 | |
| 03/5/11 | Big Ten Championships | Tony Dallago (Illinois) | W 8-5 | |
| 03/6/11 | Big Ten Championships | #7 Kevin Steinhaus (Minnesota) | W 4-3 | Video |
| 03/17/11 | NCAA Championships | Jonathan Fausey (Virginia) | W 7-4 | RecapPhotosBrackets (PDF) |
| 03/17/11 | NCAA Championships | Kevin Steinhaus (Minnesota) | W 8-4 | |
| 03/18/11 | NCAA Championships | #1 Chris Honeycutt (Edinboro) | W 7-3 | |
| 03/18/11 | NCAA Championships | #12 Grant Gambrall (Iowa) | W Fall 3:53 | |
| 03/19/11 | NCAA Championships | #2 Robert Hamlin (Lehigh) | W 5-2 |
It's so freakin gorgeous!
While Quentin's performance alone debunks Ross' dunks on Cael ("But that final piece, the motivation factor? The ability to get a team performing at its highest level in the biggest meets and the most important settings? The ability to win with not just guys who have staggering natural talent (your David Taylors and Ed Ruths), but the other guys, the scrappy guys who weren't coveted by every single program in America? You still haven't figured that out."), a look at the team performances at Nationals shows the coaching of motivation & peak performance at the highest levels the best.
Here are some old gsheets from when I was exploring two different styles of Seed to Placement results: Ordinal & Team Point Differential. Also back when seeding was changing a lot, so I stopped measuring at 12s.
2011 to 2014 PSU vs Iowa Ordinal Diff only:
It's really pretty wild that in the 3 yrs of Nationals performance by the Hawks (after Ross wrote that about Cael after a midseason dual) that the Brands' motivated their lineups so much that 4, then 5, then 5 wrestlers UNDERperformed their seeds.
I'm deep in a wormhole, but need to stop.
Thanks for the time capsule, CT!
One of the many things I've long appreciated about Ross' writing is the tendency to include a good bit of fairness, even in a piece that's largely celebratory & full of shade.
To wit:
Applying those 2011 January words to March, we have:
1&2. "Taylor and Ruth are absolutely legit and look like strong contenders to be finalists.":
- Taylor, Finals, lost to Bubba
- Ruth, injured in a Qtrs loss, won 4 bouts after that to finish 3rd
3. "Molinaro is very tough as well and could benefit from being in a division that isn't terribly deep":
- Finals, lost to Dake
4&5. "Long and Alton came up short today, but they're still talented wrestlers capable of making deep runs in a tournament":
- Long, lost in the Semis, won 2 bouts after to finish 3rd
- Alton, lost in the Qtrs, 2-0 & the R12 5-4
6. "Wright too could wind up being a force if he can ever stop doing his drummer from Def Leppard impression out there on the mat":
I thought this one was especially prognosticatory, given what we knew then & have since learned, about Quentin's & Cael's relationship, and how Q struggled to accept Cael's coaching in January & Feb, but solved it big time in March. And because I haven't reviewed it for awhile, let's include Q's whole results list from those 3 months:
Before getting injured in the NLO, his only L was 4-3 to Hamlin in the Lehigh dual.
Then this drubbing by Gambrall in the Jan 30 Iowa Dual, 8-3. After that: it's struggle, struggle, struggle, then Revenge, Revenge, Revenge, REVENGE, Revenge. Dellago, Rutt & Steinhaus (2x!) at B1Gs, then Gambrall emphatically in the Semis, and Hamlin in the Finals.
02/4/11 Michigan State Dual Meet Ian Hinton (Michigan State) W MD 13-1 Recap 02/6/11 Michigan Dual Meet Hunter Collins (Michigan) W Fall (0:24) Recap 02/11/11 Illinois Dual Meet Tony Dellago (Illinois) L 8-7 RecapPhotos 02/13/11 Minnesota Dual Meet #9 Kevin Steinhaus (Minnesota) L MD 10-1 RecapPhotos 02/18/11 Wisconsin Dual Meet #3 Travis Rutt (Wisconsin) L Fall (4:41) RecapPhotos 03/5/11 Big Ten Championships Hunter Collins (Michigan) W MD 10-2 RecapPhotosBrackets (PDF) 03/5/11 Big Ten Championships #3 Travis Rutt (Wisconsin) W 4-3 03/5/11 Big Ten Championships Tony Dallago (Illinois) W 8-5 03/6/11 Big Ten Championships #7 Kevin Steinhaus (Minnesota) W 4-3 Video 03/17/11 NCAA Championships Jonathan Fausey (Virginia) W 7-4 RecapPhotosBrackets (PDF) 03/17/11 NCAA Championships Kevin Steinhaus (Minnesota) W 8-4 03/18/11 NCAA Championships #1 Chris Honeycutt (Edinboro) W 7-3 03/18/11 NCAA Championships #12 Grant Gambrall (Iowa) W Fall 3:53 03/19/11 NCAA Championships #2 Robert Hamlin (Lehigh) W 5-2
It's so freakin gorgeous!
While Quentin's performance alone debunks Ross' dunks on Cael ("But that final piece, the motivation factor? The ability to get a team performing at its highest level in the biggest meets and the most important settings? The ability to win with not just guys who have staggering natural talent (your David Taylors and Ed Ruths), but the other guys, the scrappy guys who weren't coveted by every single program in America? You still haven't figured that out."), a look at the team performances at Nationals shows the coaching of motivation & peak performance at the highest levels the best.
Here are some old gsheets from when I was exploring two different styles of Seed to Placement results: Ordinal & Team Point Differential. Also back when seeding was changing a lot, so I stopped measuring at 12s.
2011 to 2014 PSU vs Iowa Ordinal Diff only:
It's really pretty wild that in the 3 yrs of Nationals performance by the Hawks (after Ross wrote that about Cael after a midseason dual) that the Brands' motivated their lineups so much that 4, then 5, then 5 wrestlers UNDERperformed their seeds.
I'm deep in a wormhole, but need to stop.
Thanks for the time capsule, CT!
Here's the full points breakouts for the 2011 Nationals, for PSU, Cornell, Iowa & OkSt:
Is HR like dead for good?? It’s a wasteland on there right now... and I hate to say it, but it makes me sad
It’s definitely hampered by 2 things:
1. The HWC Inner Circle board kneecapped it because the “elites” don’t seem to want to share good scoop with the Hoi polloi
2. Letting morons like Hoyhawk and Ih8st8 run rampant - best way to kill a board, even if they’re on your “side”, is to allow this (take note mods). The Michigan Rivals FB board turned to sewage allowing the idiots to rule the board. The normal fans largely decamped
Found this funny post about Van Ness - hard to not bring up ASD’s meek tapout
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The way Quentin explained it in a podcast is more clear and more interesting. Quentin said that he was overly enamored with Cael’s teaching, to the point of trying to wrestle like Cael and not winning with that approach. It was when Quentin decided:~”forget that, if I’m going to lose, I’ll lose in my own way” and decided to go back to Quentin’s own style of wrestling that Quentin regained success.
Among the most memorable conversations for me over the years, Q's stand out. Hard to explain, as honesty and candor are commonplace when talking to all the wrestlers. A bit more outspoken, but not in a bad way.
I think I've heard Cael's version on this matter as well--learning that it was OK to let guys be themselves, etc.. Can't source the memory, but it's there.
Perfect, thank you, fellas! Get a few of us middle aged bros, piecing our collective foggy memories together, and oila: History!
Quentin is disarmingly honest and candid. Such a great personality. When Flo interviewed Quentin back in July, they brought on Zane Richards toward the end of Quentin's interview and Bader introduced Quentin to Zane. First, Quentin asked Zane if he wrestled at Rutgers (Zane wrestled at Illinois) and also said, "I don't remember much about you right now but I'll have to look you up." Many people would have told a "white lie" about knowing the person just to not be embarrassed, but not Quentin!
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