Iowa dual thread - Jan 31

[Nitlion1986]

I like that this VERY good Iowa team needed other colleges to develop their wrestlers for them. And their fans wonder why Cael beats their ass in the recruiting game. And I'll say this, I'm not one of those saying how much better Teemer, Parco and Buchanon are now that they are getting coaching at Iowa. To me, they are what they are....or should I say were.

Their conditioning that first year improves a great deal. The better conditioning allows them to wrestle better as the match plays out. As the second year progresses the wear and tear seems to start manifesting in nagging injuries.

I've never thought Iowa rentals improve their wrestling skills at Iowa. I mean really. Iowa had a transfer kid who was obviously ahead of his Penn State opponent and the Penn State coaching staff had the PSU kid wrestle the Iowa with 1 hand tied behind his back. Presto the PSU kid won and the only thing the Iowa staff could offer the Iowa kid on how to wrestle a kid who wrestled him with one hand tied behind his back was to tap out when cradled.

 

[raslen007]

The Wharf on Derry St has a big McDevitt Wrestling banner out front. I've never gone there to watch wrestling, but might be worth a shot.

The owners said they were asked if it could be displayed, and they said sure. No ties to the program. I'll bet they would switch it on for you. You could try the Borough in Hummelstown.

 

[RealMicah]

Anyone else have any thoughts on willie going off on flo for their number 18 ranking for bloch lol

Listened to it today at work. Good stuff

 

[RealMicah]

LL Dec Cruz 3-0
Ayala Dec Davis 3-3
BB Dec Block 6-3
SVN dec Parco 9-3
Teemer Dec Kasak 9-6
MM Tech Caliendo 14-6
LH major Kennedy 18-6
CS Dec Arnold 21-6
Buchanan dec Barr 21-9
GK major Keuter 25-9

 

[GogglesPaizano]

133 is the only weight where they are favored,....

Ah, yet another product of common core?

Or are you accepting the wrestlestat projections over national rankings as the gospel?

 

[wrestleknownothing]

Any sharps in here? Lol, What’s u guys think of the DraftKings line on the PSU v Iowa dual? It’s PSU-21.5 could be a good bet to make some money?

Based on surveying 49 wrestling fans so far, partisan and neutral, the average score prediction is PSU 25.2 Iowa 7.6 for a spread of 17.6

The distribution looks like this:



Take it for what it is worth.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

The same ref who Terry called an asshole or asswipe? The same ref whose stall call on Teemer caused Tom to question his objectivity since he was from Ohio.

If I was that dude, I’d be on a hair trigger to ring their asses up. Plus, I’d stall Teemer out by the 2nd if he played his back up game

Not sure how Terry got away with that without getting ejected.

Raises the question, does the ref have to give a warning first or did he just have no balls?

 

[doubleboots]

Not sure how Terry got away with that without getting ejected.

Raises the question, does the ref have to give a warning first or did he just have no balls?

 

[jack66]

Ah, yet another product of common core?

Or are you accepting the wrestlestat projections over national rankings as the gospel?

Based on my subjective projections with the use of Intermat rankings.

Unless two wrestlers have met before, I consider it a toss-up when two wrestlers are ranked within 3 spots of each other.

Intermat rankings
125 - PSU (7) v Iowa (26) - PSU fav
133 - PSU (7) v Iowa (3) - Iowa fav
141 - PSU (3) v Iowa (?) - PSU fav
149 - PSU (4) v Iowa (2) - PSU fav (previous results)
157 - PSU (3) v Iowa (1) - toss-up
165 - PSU (1) v Iowa (2) - PSU fav (previous results)
174 - PSU (2) v Iowa (6) - PSU fav
184 - PSU (1) v Iowa (5) - PSU fav
197 - PSU (4) v Iowa (1) - toss-up
285 - PSU (2) v Iowa (11) - PSU fav

If fans want to call Buchanon the favorite based on experience and #1 ranking ... that's fine, but I don't.

BTW: what the F... is with the common core comment? Did my opinion upset you that much?

 

[lisa morales]

Wondering if any women attend PSU wrestling matches, or is it all older white men?

 

[doubleboots]

Wondering if any women attend PSU wrestling matches, or is it all older white men?

Oh no!!! Suspended!!

 

[Random4598375]

User suspended for repeated trolling comments

RIP, Lisa. We hardly knew ye.

 

[dicemen99]

Have our kids lost their sense of humor?? Or did they never have one???

#FreeLisa

 

[PSU Mike]

Have our kids lost their sense of humor?? Or did they never have one???

#FreeLisa

It’s clearly Uncle Carmine …

 

[El-Jefe]

Not sure how Terry got away with that without getting ejected.

Raises the question, does the ref have to give a warning first or did he just have no balls?

Agreed, but then again Terry has actually touched a ref during live action with no consequence.

It was in the infamous HWT match vs Illinois when Iowa was losing by 5 pts, and Deuce Rachal hit The Rachal on himself vs Sam Stoll. Terry ran around the boundary to get a better view of the pin and actually hit the ref on the back with his hand -- while the ref was down on the mat, checking for the fall.

The ref should have stopped the match, awarded Stoll NF3, ejected Terry, and docked Iowa a team point. It would've probably cost Iowa the dual (maybe they win on tiebreakers if Stoll pinned Rachal anyway?). You get what Terry earned.

 

[nittinsc]

Have our kids lost their sense of humor?? Or did they never have one???

#FreeLisa

 

[Still in State College]

I think he's gone Amish.

 

[fortheglory94]

Lisa making his/her case to @backdrft76

One of the more feel good season ending episodes I've seen. Wish that show kept going, but tough to keep playing off thirtysomethings as high schoolers.

 

[Pitchfork Rebel]

I was always impressed with how he got Carol Brady in the vid.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Based on my subjective projections with the use of Intermat rankings.

Unless two wrestlers have met before, I consider it a toss-up when two wrestlers are ranked within 3 spots of each other.

Intermat rankings
125 - PSU (7) v Iowa (26) - PSU fav
133 - PSU (7) v Iowa (3) - Iowa fav
141 - PSU (3) v Iowa (?) - PSU fav
149 - PSU (4) v Iowa (2) - PSU fav (previous results)
157 - PSU (3) v Iowa (1) - toss-up
165 - PSU (1) v Iowa (2) - PSU fav (previous results)
174 - PSU (2) v Iowa (6) - PSU fav
184 - PSU (1) v Iowa (5) - PSU fav
197 - PSU (4) v Iowa (1) - toss-up
285 - PSU (2) v Iowa (11) - PSU fav

If fans want to call Buchanon the favorite based on experience and #1 ranking ... that's fine, but I don't.

BTW: what the F... is with the common core comment? Did my opinion upset you that much?

"Unless two wrestlers have met before, I consider it a toss-up when two wrestlers are ranked within 3 spots of each other."

That's just the way common core reasons ;-). BTW I am just screwing with you.

Iowa is favored in 4 weights based upon rankings. Just sayin' not that I agree with them. I fully expect several of these rankings to be corrected by our guys after this dual.

Wrestlestat's ELO chess based algorithm has its moments for sure, but it is a great reference, better reference than predictor, especial with respect to margin of victory.

All of the ranking services tend to under rank PSU freshmen for sure, and of course we peak in March so there is no ranking service that tends to take this reality into account.

If Barr beats Buchannon, he should immediately jump to #1 and be considered the favorite. In my book it's far more likely as a freshman that this could be that 'learning' match, feeling a truly elite opponent for the first time. I wouldn't be shocked if Josh fell short at Big 10s as well, but his trajectory is exciting to watch. I don't see Buchannon beating him three times in a row. Regardless of what happens tomorrow, I feel really great about Josh's chances in March.

 

[jmadden1998]

"Unless two wrestlers have met before, I consider it a toss-up when two wrestlers are ranked within 3 spots of each other."

That's just the way common core reasons ;-). BTW I am just screwing with you.

Iowa is favored in 4 weights based upon rankings. Just sayin' not that I agree with them. I fully expect several of these rankings to be corrected by our guys after this dual.

Wrestlestat's ELO chess based algorithm has its moments for sure, but it is a great reference, better reference than predictor, especial with respect to margin of victory.

All of the ranking services tend to under rank PSU freshmen for sure, and of course we peak in March so there is no ranking service that tends to take this reality into account.

If Barr beats Buchannon, he should immediately jump to #1 and be considered the favorite. In my book it's far more likely as a freshman that this could be that 'learning' match, feeling a truly elite opponent for the first time. I wouldn't be shocked if Josh fell short at Big 10s as well, but his trajectory is exciting to watch. I don't see Buchannon beating him three times in a row. Regardless of what happens tomorrow, I feel really great about Josh's chances in March.

They may not even meet at Big 10's if Cardenas has anything to say about it.

 

[PSUbluTX]

#FreeLisa

A little surprising that JST hasn’t been here to defend Lisa’s honor.

 

[matter7172]

"Unless two wrestlers have met before, I consider it a toss-up when two wrestlers are ranked within 3 spots of each other."

That's just the way common core reasons ;-). BTW I am just screwing with you.

Iowa is favored in 4 weights based upon rankings. Just sayin' not that I agree with them. I fully expect several of these rankings to be corrected by our guys after this dual.

Wrestlestat's ELO chess based algorithm has its moments for sure, but it is a great reference, better reference than predictor, especial with respect to margin of victory.

All of the ranking services tend to under rank PSU freshmen for sure, and of course we peak in March so there is no ranking service that tends to take this reality into account.

If Barr beats Buchannon, he should immediately jump to #1 and be considered the favorite. In my book it's far more likely as a freshman that this could be that 'learning' match, feeling a truly elite opponent for the first time. I wouldn't be shocked if Josh fell short at Big 10s as well, but his trajectory is exciting to watch. I don't see Buchannon beating him three times in a row. Regardless of what happens tomorrow, I feel really great about Josh's chances in March.

Michael Beard and Little aren't slouches and guys in the room aren't bad either.

 

[Rocky_Smith]

This is a VERY good Iowa team. No doubt. Title winners in any other era.

In ny other era they wouldn’t have 5th year transfers around to score all their points.

 

[Bob_Anderson]

In ny other era they wouldn’t have 5th year transfers around to score all their points.

Without the transfers, Iowa would already have a new coaching staff. The transfers have been masking all the issues that have been repeated ad nauseum.

 

[donboy6499]

In ny other era they wouldn’t have 5th year transfers around to score all their points.

5th year transfers are young pups to Jacori.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Without the transfers, Iowa would already have a new coaching staff. The transfers have been masking all the issues that have been repeated ad nauseum.

Hopefully they keep getting enough transfers to continue finishing 4th or 5th and the twins are still coaching 20 years down the road.

 

[District four]

Listened to it today at work. Good stuff

Willie definitely made some great points. 2-4 and is 20th in the nation. Bit of a stretch glad he called flo out for it

 

[nerfstate]

Ross Bendik on Instagram: "Tomorrow. Iowa Wrestling at Penn State wrestling in the BJC. Who said it better - Gabe or Carter ?"

127 likes, 0 comments - wrestlechicago on January 30, 2025: "Tomorrow. Iowa Wrestling at Penn State wrestling in the BJC. Who said it better - Gabe or Carter ?".

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[Psalm 1 guy]

They may not even meet at Big 10's if Cardenas has anything to say about it.

If between Barr, Cardenas and Buchanan they have some combination of losses to one another prior to the NCAA tournament, it will be very interesting to see if a (potentially) undefeated Ferrari gets the #1 seed with the much weaker schedule of the four.

 

[slushhead]

With 6 top-5 wrestlers this is Iowa's best team since 2021. I don't see it being a walkover. There is a path for Iowa to keep it uncomfortably close.

133 is the only weight where they are favored, but 149, 157, 174, and 197 are all within reach, IMO. I know most people already have 174 chalked into the PSU win column, but Levi's match against Turley hinted that he might not have the same strength advantage he enjoyed at 157.

Levi is the better wrestler, but Kennedy is a 5th-year disciple of Barnds' hand-fighting and stalling techniques.

That said, if everything goes our way, it will be a walkover.

Love your work on here. I do have a different take on 174, though. Levi has a length advantage and a talent advantage. I think he handles Kennedy.

Plus, 5 years with Brands has not been a positive for anyone, as far as I can tell. Except for surgeons and brace manufacturers, that is.

 

[El-Jefe]

If between Barr, Cardenas and Buchanan they have some combination of losses to one another prior to the NCAA tournament, it will be very interesting to see if a (potentially) undefeated Ferrari gets the #1 seed with the much weaker schedule of the four.

Without going thru the full seeding crteria: in that scenario, the only way Ferraei doesn't get the 1 seed is if he isn't #1 in the coaches poll -- which would be unlikely as a returning champ + the only unbeaten 197.

Ferrari would have to beat Little 2x (dual + Pac12s).

Otherwise it's hard to ovestate how bad Ferrari's schedule has been. #22 Stemmet, #26 Hopkins, Little upcoming, and a lot of stiffs. Soldier Salute is tougher. If Ferrari gets the 1, he'll be the first 1 to lose

 

[Random4598375]

Without going thru the full seeding crteria: in that scenario, the only way Ferraei doesn't get the 1 seed is if he isn't #1 in the coaches poll -- which would be unlikely as a returning champ + the only unbeaten 197.

Ferrari would have to beat Little 2x (dual + Pac12s).

Otherwise it's hard to ovestate how bad Ferrari's schedule has been. #22 Stemmet, #26 Hopkins, Little upcoming, and a lot of stiffs. Soldier Salute is tougher. If Ferrari gets the 1, he'll be the first 1 to lose

I doubt he beats Little twice.

 

[slushhead]

Agreed, but then again Terry has actually touched a ref during live action with no consequence.

It was in the infamous HWT match vs Illinois when Iowa was losing by 5 pts, and Deuce Rachal hit The Rachal on himself vs Sam Stoll. Terry ran around the boundary to get a better view of the pin and actually hit the ref on the back with his hand -- while the ref was down on the mat, checking for the fall.

The ref should have stopped the match, awarded Stoll NF3, ejected Terry, and docked Iowa a team point. It would've probably cost Iowa the dual (maybe they win on tiebreakers if Stoll pinned Rachal anyway?). You get what Terry earned.

Terry’s behavior should be admonished . . . but I can’t help but focus more on the fact that the throw attempt by Rachal should have earned him infinite eligibility. That was a serious Commitment to Overconfidence.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Without the transfers, Iowa would already have a new coaching staff. The transfers have been masking all the issues that have been repeated ad nauseum.

Well, this is correct in that for several cycles now the best kids on the Iowa squad are nearly all transfers. That's not the best look as a one off, but as a trend it's says a lot more. In a negative way.

 

[MacwoodFleetPsu]

**** those guys

 

[PAHURDLER]

Due to illness (not mine), I have an extra ticket available for tonight’s Iowa dual. Great seats, section 107 row A.

Only downside is you’d be sitting next to me. 🥴

 

[Reslo]

Gonna be hilarious when Iowa has fewer takedowns against PSU than Drexel did.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Gonna be hilarious when Iowa has fewer takedowns against PSU than Drexel did.

That will need posted on GIA/HR

 

[Reslo]

That will need posted on GIA/HR

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