Cool, I'll stop posting here. I'll leave the basketball talk to experts like you and Nate. Hope you guys enjoyed watching Tony Carr, Mike Watkins, and Lamar Stevens this season since it's the best they'll ever be. It was fun while it lasted, later.
The OFFICIAL PSU/MSU B1G Tournament Game Thread
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Cool, I'll stop posting here. I'll leave the basketball talk to experts like you and Nate. Hope you guys enjoyed watching Tony Carr, Mike Watkins, and Lamar Stevens this season since it's the best they'll ever be. It was fun while it lasted, later.
2015 had Watkins and Reaves. Not exactly a slouch. But keep up the apologist shtick. That's not getting old at all...
I agree. I could understand people being hopeful for the future if this team was really starting to put it together and with a little more fine tuning they'd be a real threat each game. Problem is it's the same each game- poor shooting, no defense, etc. Its 69-42 with 8 minutes to go. I'm not seeing the improvement.
So you can't deal with pushback at the dinner table when you patronize and act like a smug know-it-all. Pass the potatos or go to your room.
Penn State would be a tournament team except for "bad luck". Where wilting down the stretch, poor shot selection, horrific defense, and being unable to hit free throws = "bad luck".
Solid players for sure! So two classes? That's fine!!! No issues here! Follow up with two or three classes from here and Pat is on to something! Not sure why you went negative but ok.
If losing 11 of last 15 is "improving", how bad were they before that?
Really? Tourney team? Interesting perspective. We must be close then. A little luck next year should help for sure.
There were definitely some positive signs throughout the year - IMO
These two tourney games though.......
Maybe the worst 80 (85) minutes they have played all year. If you put them on the court next to five random guys who met up at the Y for a pick up game - - - - - - I'm not sure how you could tell them apart.
They are young and they look gassed. A year in the S&C program and they should be better next year. Hell they lost 6? BigTen games by under 5 pts. I think that was the stat I heard the other night.
They need a legit 3pt shooter.
They need a legit 3pt shooter.
Hey don't worry our assistant coach told Dan Jockitch before the tourney that Penn State was going to go on a run of wins. At least the team leadership is grounded in reality.......
It's funny. PSU loses to MI ST and Chambers is an awful coach. Was he a good coach when PSU beat MI ST? Maybe the players have something to do with it? No, it's all the coaches fault. How many lay ups did Chambers miss today? I lost count. How many open 3's. Chambers better practice his shooting because under 30% isn't getting it done. We need a coach that can shoot better than that. Oh, he only took bad shots. Nah, he took some bad ones but he also took lots of good ones and missed. Come on Pat get out there and practice your shooting!
Defense is absolutely horrible. They didn't know where the shooters were, turned their heads, and Watkins got beat to the spot in the post all day. I can't say that I am optimistic for the future. I not sold on Chambers at all. Mediocrity is probably the best description. No one can tell me that basketball in Philly is probably not in the top 5 in the country for talent. They need more size inside and can't solely rely on Watkins. The other players just want to play on the perimeter.
How about their defense, turning their heads and not knowing where the ball is, getting beat to the spot in the post. Michigan State won today because their players improved and ours have not. That is coaching. This team is all offense and no defense. They all want to jack up 3 pointers.
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Not watching the game, but saw a 'We Are' Michigan State logoed T-shirt in DC today. Is the tournament here?
Another observation from the cheap seats: PSU handles the ball so poorly that It seems like there's always a half second of adjustment to regain possession of the ball sometimes on every pass in a possession. That half second is supposed to be used to jump start you beating the guy guarding you, not regaining possession and dribbling it at chest height while the shot clock ticks down.
Huh? I didn't blame the refs. Watkins got caught pushing. It was a cheap foul in the sense that it was totally unnecessary.
I believe this team will be substantially better next year. They are very young with little or NO upperclass guidance. Despite "coaching" many "kids" hear but do not respond. Instead relying on their generally superior athletic skills. In fact, when all "thinking" fails they gravitate to overconfident physical play. I coached HS BB in the Philadelphia Public League for 14 years. Does not make me an expert just somewhat familiar with "physically" talented kids vs "team" play.
Watkins is very good and he has improved as the season progressed.
Carr is difficult to assess. He uses his size to score in the paint but he hasn't been a great playmaker at PG and his defense needs work.
Stevens is more of a 3/4 than a pure 4. He's not big and strong enough to do a lot of damage in the psint.
Reeves is Reeves. Very quick, creates lots of turnovers, and makes a lot of mistakes himself. He haD the one great shooting game but overall not much of a scoring threat.
Garner was worse this year. He doesn't move well without the ball.
Banks has always struggled on defense but he had one of the best set shots in the league. But he totally collapsed in the last 5 or 6 games. Perhaps not getting good looks and forcing shots out of frustration.
Moore will never be a great player in this league but he was improving and giving quality minutes. Then he went backwards in a big way for the last 5-6 games. Injury?
Samuels is OK. Why didnt he play?
Bostick & Zemgulus didn't get much of a chance. I think that hurt because our young guys played too many minutes for freshmen.
Penn State Mens' Basketball: Where making excuses for the coach, is more important than winning.
...since 1982, hey, if it aint' broke....
...since 1982, hey, if it aint' broke....
Penn state will start looking for a new coach now. Chambers will be back but will be gone by half way through the year and a new hc will be named before season end. If Osu let's Thad Matta go, psu should go get em. Also the Rutgers coach is solid.
I highly doubt Penn State will fire Chambers mid-season.
One thing for certain: IF Sandy let's Pat go, the next coach, should be hired, based on his ability to get Penn State to the NCAA tournament. NOT the following:
1. Whether he grew up in the State College area
2. Whether he was an assistant at Penn State at one time
3. Whether his siblings graduated from Penn State.
1. Whether he grew up in the State College area
2. Whether he was an assistant at Penn State at one time
3. Whether his siblings graduated from Penn State.
I can't imagine there is any way you would fire Chambers mid season. I believe Chambers can get it done BUT I strongly believe he needs to take a long hard look at his staff and make some tough decisions. I think he needs to drop all the young guys and find a seasoned veteran to provide some perspective at points throughout the season. An Xs and Os guy with experience to develop players and gameplan for opponents. Our staff right now just does not have that experience and it shows on game days.
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Anyone know what happened to result in the two technical fouls for Carr and Stevens at the end of the game?
Seems to me that playing three guards kept us from forcing the ball to the post and kept our defense from defending the post against their three man front line. The outside shooting sucked.
We probably could have out bid Miami for that dirt bag Nolan Richardson, but do we want to win at the cost of our ethics? None of his Arkansas black starters ever graduated.
