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I haven't seen a lot of BBs matches but it certainly seemed like he wasn't crazy about shooting to his right. Is that a norm for him?
Dear stupid person.
Learn to read, or get someone to read and explain it for you.
Never, not once have I said Marinelli does not wrestle hard. He still was looking for that stall call. The point i was making when you were babbling your simplistic BS was Marinelli did during match with Lewis, while wrestling, look for the stall call. Simple enough, 0 - 0, second period Lewis has a warning and at the conclusion of the first two starts Marinelli is looking for a given point. That is the same point being made here.
Your arguement against what I am saying is Marinelli wrestles hard, he shot more shots than Lewis and because you think that Lewis was in fact stalling when he chased Marinelli off the mat on the first start that all means Marinelli wasn't looking for a given stall call and point.
Honest to God I get linear thought is your limitation, but holly rip dude. There is no question what he was asking when turning his head and pleading with ref.
Beau is awesome on and off the mat. I have no concerns whatsoever and we are lucky to have him.
If you were able to see the match he was hosed multiple times by the ref. He had an escape followed by a takedown where he was awarded only a reversal, and at the end he had a takedown IMO, the kid was on his hip and Beau has both legs covered but the action was so fast one leg got free and he was denied the takedown before the buzzer. Either call goes the other way and he wins outright. The false start reaction was obvious and truth be told hard to tell what happened listening to the audio for the timing of the whistle but that was a fluke that cost him the match.
In any case he is dynamic, and in time could to prove to be a take down let him go point machine after some PSU seasoning. Can't wait!!!
If you were able to see the match he was hosed multiple times by the ref. He had an escape followed by a takedown where he was awarded only a reversal, and at the end he had a takedown IMO, the kid was on his hip and Beau has both legs covered but the action was so fast one leg got free and he was denied the takedown before the buzzer. Either call goes the other way and he wins outright. The false start reaction was obvious and truth be told hard to tell what happened listening to the audio for the timing of the whistle but that was a fluke that cost him the match.
In any case he is dynamic, and in time could to prove to be a take down let him go point machine after some PSU seasoning. Can't wait!!!
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Can I just say that I have no problem with a guy who is working hard in a match whispering, murmuring, looking, glancing, or even using ESP to communicate to an official that he should be thinking about a stall call?
Seriously, what's to criticize in that situation, when the complainant is legitimately working his butt off?
If people want to criticize the guys who just drive their opponents off
the mat, will not let them circle in, or simply act busy without any genuine attempt to score a TD or NF, go
for it. But Marinelli is not that kind of wrestler . . . and that remains true even if, somehow, it could be proven he wrestled a match that way on an occasion or two. Body of work.
Also, the name-calling and accusations of stupidity are uncalled for and just delegitimize anything said afterward. They bring nothing useful to an opinion or a debate.
Seriously, what's to criticize in that situation, when the complainant is legitimately working his butt off?
If people want to criticize the guys who just drive their opponents off
the mat, will not let them circle in, or simply act busy without any genuine attempt to score a TD or NF, go
for it. But Marinelli is not that kind of wrestler . . . and that remains true even if, somehow, it could be proven he wrestled a match that way on an occasion or two. Body of work.
Also, the name-calling and accusations of stupidity are uncalled for and just delegitimize anything said afterward. They bring nothing useful to an opinion or a debate.
"Non-Walsh Ironman" content to "Walsh Ironman" content ratio is comically wide.
We do seem to have lost our Grip, as it were
You're trying to retroactively change your argument because you know you can't defend it. Here's what you first posted several months back:
"Marinelli lost to Lewis because as a rule of thumb Iowa kids are trained to wrestle for stall calls and not to push the offense."
When people correctly pointed out that Marinelli shot the whole match, you then changed your argument to those shots don't count because they didn't work and therefore weren't serious (against one of the best defensive specialists in the country no less).
Then when people pointed out how silly that argument was, you changed it to Marinelli looking at the ref while getting driven out of bounds, while in the process of working for an escape (which he got). He then continued to attack and did not ask for a stall call in any other situation.
Your argument is unserious and fueled by an emotional disdain for Iowa. It's okay. That's what fans do. You don't have to keep doubling down. Everybody can see it for what it is.
+1 THIS is how you debate. Leave the ad-hominem attacks at the door.
I have asked this question over on HR several times. I was given a wide array of opinions. Also was given many different examples of wrestlers that in my opion wrestled different style.
So if I was going to answer you I'd tell you that the idea of an "Iowa Style" is all bull sh!t. Just something that sounds cool to say..
I'm sure when "Iowa style" is mentioned, most people think heavy hands, constant forward pressure, elite conditioning, brawlers more so than technicians. Basically, they think Gable era teams.
Truth is though, there is no single style that could accurately describe Iowa wrestling(past or present)or PSU, or any other team.
Joe Williams, Mark Perry, McGinness, Brinzer, etc all had their own unique style that wouldn't really fall under the above description.
Look at this year's team. No two starters have the same style. Spencer loves to rack up near falls. Kem is relentlessly attacking from the opening whistle. Lugo is a grinder. Marinelli is as physical as they come. Desanto is all about pace. No single style encompasses the team, and never will.
Very much in sync with the "PSU style" of "wrestle free, score lots of points, have fun".
Some will exemplify this, but certainly not all. It's just not possible for a team of 10 unique wrestlers with their own identities to have the same "style".
I remember Jim Gibbons discussing this back at the beginning of the PSU dynasty. His words and I'm paraphrasing were along the lines that Iowa and other schools need to change their style. In context, he was bringing up a philosophy or mental approach to wrestling. I think it's safe to say that some wrestlers are more offensive but in college they become less offensive. The competition is more equal. Having said this I have watched Iowa and others wrestle the same way they always have. The emphasis is not on a bonus it's more about winning the match and there are a ton of wrestlers who are perfectly ok with that. That's not to say that Lee, Kemmerer, and Marinelli wrestle that way but most of the Iowa kids do. They have heave hands and they push forward not really looking to attack or bonus their opponent. I recognize that it's far to simplistic to associate a style with a given program based on diversity of wrestlers in said program but you can't help but wonder when you watch a majority of the kids in that program wrestle that way
The apocalypse is upon us! JSS is getting along with a Hawkeye. What's next, Matter and a Rutgers fan?
The apocalypse is upon us! JSS is getting along with a Hawkeye. What's next, Matter and a Rutgers fan?
The apocalypse is upon us! JSS is getting along with a Hawkeye. What's next, Matter and a Rutgers fan?
It's the season...peace on Earth and good will to (most) men...
The apocalypse is upon us! JSS is getting along with a Hawkeye. What's next, Matter and a Rutgers fan?
When Roar curses, makes a prediction, or offends someone, then I will know the end is near.
This is a very good explanation. "Iowa Style" was always an attitude/approach, not a set of techniques. It was about relentless work ethic and big heart during matches. Hawkeyes were famous for breaking opponents with their pace.
As jrod notes, Iowa has never had a team where every wrestler, even some of their all-time greats, embodies that style.
Spencer and Marinelli are polar opposites when it comes to overall style, but they're both iowa style because they step on the mat every time to rip somebody's head off. Nolf, DT, Nickal, etc... are also "iowa style" in this sense. The reason they call it Iowa style is because those teams were so dominant during that time frame. Penn State will have a similar influence in the future after their current phase of dominance, if they don't already.
It comes down to recruiting. If there were 100 Jason Nolfs out there, every top program would have 10. Cael has recruited better athletes who wrestle, as opposed to wrestlers.
It forced Iowa and other teams to adjust -- and Iowa's recruiting has improved in recent years. Offhand I think these are Iowa's beat athletes since Cael joined PSU at 125, 133, 165, 174, 197, and 285. And Brooks' athleticism at 184 was overshadowed by Bo. (No knock against Cory Clark, a deserving national champ, just IMO DeSanto is a little more athletuc.)
Though neither program is challenging Tan Tom for the Recruiting National Championship.
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He offends me using those words, and he always predicts that the wrestlers will be their best versions of themselves and have fun. So, sign of the end times?
Lol. Theres actually a few I get along with but jrod is one of the best out there for sure.The apocalypse is upon us! JSS is getting along with a Hawkeye. What's next, Matter and a Rutgers fan?
When John Brooks posts insights about AB an angel gets its wings.
Could be more f** just to do the combinations
Edit: this is cracking me up. man there really has been a cast of characters around here the last decade
We could have an entire thread for this.
Or:
You could go onto HR and ask FMK for 3 different handles for JTS.
Save a few years off your sentence.....If you F before you K...….it is murder,,,but…....the dead can't testify about the F. If you K before you F...….that is Murder plus Necrophilia. Choose wisely. Ok......time for my meds and back to the padded room
PS: Some of you are really strange......and definitely deserve a beer
PS: Some of you are really strange......and definitely deserve a beer
I didn't change my arguement. He was wanting that stall call and point. Just my opinion, but if you are looking to score a stall call (point) your focus may be off.
As far as half shots and full shots, he took both. You count half shots as full shots, I don't.
As far as pushing the offense, Marinelli worked his offense in all three periods, but everytime Marinelli posted Lewis' arm and dropped to his knees, Lewis would reshoot, and more than once came close to scoring. The winning TD was off one of these reshots.
At the end of this whole entire back and forth you even admitted he was looking for stall calls twice in the second period.
So according to you Marinelli did not wrestle to score a stall point, but he wanted a stall call (point), but he didn't, but he did, but he didn't.
Relax. Maybe this year when things get tight he will wrestle through it and score a championship. Then you can tell me how full of crap I am.
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