Well, Michigan screws us again.

[BUFFALO LION]

Now that Michigan State (Notre Dame), Michigan, and Ohio State (Oklahoma) have all screwed us, we have absolutely NO room for error. We have to hope Wisconsin remains undefeated even though their schedule sucks.

Even if we beat an undefeated Wisconsin, if we have one loss, pretty much every other potential one loss P-5 Conference Champ will trump us along with a one loss Notre Dame.

Us and Wisconsin beating Michigan now won't mean squat in the Big Picture (Playoff Selection).

Based on the way West Virginia got hosed on some big calls, it looks like the Big 12 will do all they can to keep TCU undefeated. Washington State looks REALLY good, maybe even better than Washington, and there is no way on earth we would get the nod over the Alabama/Georgia winner or Clemson, everything else being equal.

Unless we go undefeated (and as of today, even if we do), Peach Bowl here we come. : ^ )

 

[BisbeeMike]

Now that Michigan State (Notre Dame), Michigan, and Ohio State (Oklahoma) have all screwed us, we have absolutely NO room for error. We have to hope Wisconsin remains undefeated even though their schedule sucks.

Even if we beat an undefeated Wisconsin, if we have one loss, pretty much every other potential one loss P-5 Conference Champ will trump us along with a one loss Notre Dame.

Us and Wisconsin beating Michigan now won't mean squat in the Big Picture (Playoff Selection).

Based on the way West Virginia got hosed on some big calls, it looks like the Big 12 will do all they can to keep TCU undefeated. Washington State looks REALLY good, maybe even better than Washington, and there is no way on earth we would get the nod over the Alabama/Georgia winner or Clemson, everything else being equal.

Unless we go undefeated (and as of today, even if we do), Peach Bowl here we come. : ^ )

Washington from 2016 would like a word with you.

What I mean by that, is that they played nobody.

 

[AWS1022]

Now that Michigan State (Notre Dame), Michigan, and Ohio State (Oklahoma) have all screwed us, we have absolutely NO room for error. We have to hope Wisconsin remains undefeated even though their schedule sucks.

Even if we beat an undefeated Wisconsin, if we have one loss, pretty much every other potential one loss P-5 Conference Champ will trump us along with a one loss Notre Dame.

Us and Wisconsin beating Michigan now won't mean squat in the Big Picture (Playoff Selection).

Based on the way West Virginia got hosed on some big calls, it looks like the Big 12 will do all they can to keep TCU undefeated. Washington State looks REALLY good, maybe even better than Washington, and there is no way on earth we would get the nod over the Alabama/Georgia winner or Clemson, everything else being equal.

Unless we go undefeated (and as of today, even if we do), Peach Bowl here we come. : ^ )

Had UM won, we still would have had to go undefeated because if PSU, OSU and UM all had one loss, we're out in that scenario as well.

 

[BisbeeMike]

The idea is sort of opposite of the old format, in this way: In the old format, if you lost one game, you wanted to lose it early in the season. In the new format, it's not the worst thing to lose your one game, later in the season, as you now benefit from your accrued work, more than you benefitted from it in the old format. You lose one game, it becomes a battle between power rankings in your conference.

Michigan State winning this game actually helped Penn State. In a four way tie, which is absolutely possible, Penn State, if it can beat Michigan, would win the tiebreaker, which is overall won-loss record in out of conference games, provided each team ends with one loss in conference.

 

[michnittlion]

ESPN and GameDay may skip Happy Valley now. I wouldn't be surprised if they went w/ Colorado @ Washington State on the 21st. Even w/ Colorado's inexcusable home loss to Rich Rod's Arizona Wildcats tonight. They're well overdue for a trip to Pullman and this may be their chance.

So for the ESPN haters --- I guess that may be a way Michigan "helped" us tonight!

A pre-emptive strike: I have no idea what happened with "my" Michigan Wolverines tonight. Missed the game, being on a plane back from Chicago. But I don't think they're elite, and we should feel confident about that one in 14 days.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Washington from 2016 would like a word with you.

What I mean by that, is that they played nobody.

They only had one loss. We had two. We should have trumped Ohio State, not Washington.

And this year, if we lose a game, we will most likely have either a one loss ND or one loss or undefeated PAC 12 Champ to deal with. ND already trumps us with their win over Michigan State in most circumstances if we lose a game, and if they lose to Stanford and/or USC, the PAC 12 will trump us because they were able to do something one of the best teams in the B1G couldn't. Beat Notre Dame.

 

[fastlax16]

Good lord. Earlier this week it was all about how if we won out, we'd still get screwed, now its if we lose one we get screwed. Give it a rest or go root for alabama.

 

[Lion8286]

Good lord. Earlier this week it was all about how if we won out, we'd still get screwed, now its if we lose one we get screwed. Give it a rest or go root for alabama.

If we lose 6, we are TOTALLY screwed.

 

[Safety Blitz]

From this point on, PSU will have to win out to get in.
Same can be said for almost every other team with serious thoughts of making the playoff. I've got no issue with that.
Teams have nobody to blame but themselves if they are counting on help to get in.

 

[fastlax16]

If we lose 6, we are TOTALLY screwed.

We should probably just forfeit.

 

[BisbeeMike]

Somebody is going to beat Clemson.

 

[AWS1022]

They only had one loss. We had two. We should have trumped Ohio State, not Washington.

And this year, if we lose a game, we will most likely have either a one loss ND or one loss or undefeated PAC 12 Champ to deal with. ND already trumps us with their win over Michigan State in most circumstances if we lose a game, and if they lose to Stanford and/or USC, the PAC 12 will trump us because they were able to do something one of the best teams in the B1G couldn't. Beat Notre Dame.

If we beat MSU then how will ND's win over MSU trump us? Also, ND will lose at least one more just like there won't be an undefeated PAC12 team. Every year there's maybe one undefeated team, why are you convinced there will be so many undefeated teams this year?

 

[fastlax16]

If we beat MSU then how will ND's win over MSU trump us? Also, ND will lose at least one more just like there won't be an undefeated PAC12 team. Every year there's maybe one undefeated team, why are you convinced there will be so many undefeated teams this year?

Because it lets him make these doom and gloom posts.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Had UM won, we still would have had to go undefeated because if PSU, OSU and UM all had one loss, we're out in that scenario as well.

It would have been better for MSU to beat OSU, not Michigan. Then OSU would have two losses (MSU/Michigan) and Michigan would have two losses (Us and Wisky). I'm looking Big Picture. If last year taught us anything, it's that politics are against us and we will need all the help and credibility we can get.

 

[AWS1022]

It would have been better for MSU to beat OSU, not Michigan. Then OSU would have two losses (MSU/Michigan) and Michigan would have two losses (Us and Wisky). I'm looking Big Picture. If last year taught us anything, it's that politics are against us and we will need all the help and credibility we can get.

Exactly and Michigan losing helps us. You can't count on Wiscy to beat them...take the losses when you can get them. If we can knock UM off, then they are out.

 

[Howie'81]

Now that Michigan State (Notre Dame), Michigan, and Ohio State (Oklahoma) have all screwed us, we have absolutely NO room for error. We have to hope Wisconsin remains undefeated even though their schedule sucks.

Even if we beat an undefeated Wisconsin, if we have one loss, pretty much every other potential one loss P-5 Conference Champ will trump us along with a one loss Notre Dame.

Us and Wisconsin beating Michigan now won't mean squat in the Big Picture (Playoff Selection).

Based on the way West Virginia got hosed on some big calls, it looks like the Big 12 will do all they can to keep TCU undefeated. Washington State looks REALLY good, maybe even better than Washington, and there is no way on earth we would get the nod over the Alabama/Georgia winner or Clemson, everything else being equal.

Unless we go undefeated (and as of today, even if we do), Peach Bowl here we come. : ^ )

Geez, chill out bro.

 

[NittanyOpp]

Michigan Michigan Michigan, the rest takes care of itself. Keep winning one game at a time.

 

[PearlSUJam]

ESPN and GameDay may skip Happy Valley now. I wouldn't be surprised if they went w/ Colorado @ Washington State on the 21st. Even w/ Colorado's inexcusable home loss to Rich Rod's Arizona Wildcats tonight. They're well overdue for a trip to Pullman and this may be their chance.

So for the ESPN haters --- I guess that may be a way Michigan "helped" us tonight!

A pre-emptive strike: I have no idea what happened with "my" Michigan Wolverines tonight. Missed the game, being on a plane back from Chicago. But I don't think they're elite, and we should feel confident about that one in 14 days.

It would be a shame if ESPN skips our game. Comcast Spotlight would lose out on the advertising.

Alabama is the only team that is "elite" right now, and they looked like this last year at this time and lost to Clemson in the NCG. Clemson didn't look very "elite" after the loss to Pitt either but managed to win the NC.

 

[BisbeeMike]

It would be a shame if ESPN skips our game. Comcast Spotlight would lose out on the advertising.

Alabama is the only team that is "elite" right now, and they looked like this last year at this time and lost to Clemson in the NCG. Clemson didn't look very "elite" after the loss to Pitt either but managed to win the NC.

Alabama's offense looked very one dimensional today at A & M. Had they been playing anyone with an offensive threat, they would have been in trouble. There is no dominant team in the field this year. Alabama has the most depth, but they too can be beaten on any given Saturday.

 

[CDLionFL]

Why is there such hand-wringing over what other teams are doing? If Penn State loses a game, they've given up their opportunity to control how things go. If they keep winning, they'll be in fine shape. Personally, I'll love watching all the other teams, especially those in the Big Ten, lose. It was fun watching Oklahoma yak it and always fun to watch Michigan lose. How do some of you sleep at night with all of this worrying?

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Don't lose. Simple. That's the Penn State burden. Lose and we're toast.

Notice I said Simple not "Easy."

There's no way 26 is winning the Heisman. There's no way PSU is getting to the final four unless undefeated. Even then it could be a toss-up. Just watch. It's very obvious to most people how the writers come down on this.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Good lord. Earlier this week it was all about how if we won out, we'd still get screwed, now its if we lose one we get screwed. Give it a rest or go root for alabama.

Go f-(k yourself dickhead. If you like smelling Ohio State's a$$ like we had to last year, feel free. But don't come crying on this Board in December bi+ching and complaining when the Committee uses their muddied politics to say that Washington's wins over Stanford and USC are better than our wins over Michigan and Michigan State because Notre Dame destroyed Michigan State in East Lansing.

We've been screwed too many times. 1968, 69, 73, 94, 2016. If Ohio State beats Texas in 2005, we play USC for the National Championship. Sounds like you are too young to remember all that.

Enjoy your Peach Bowl.

 

[BisbeeMike]

Why is there such hand-wringing over what other teams are doing? If Penn State loses a game, they've given up their opportunity to control how things go. If they keep winning, they'll be in fine shape. Personally, I'll love watching all the other teams, especially those in the Big Ten, lose. It was fun watching Oklahoma yak it and always fun to watch Michigan lose. How do some of you sleep at night with all of this worrying?

Exactly. You saw today that anyone can lose at any time, unless you have 85 5 star players like Alabama. That INCLUDES Clemson who once again was less than impressive. All I heard going into today, was how the "big 3" teams in the nation were CLEARLY the best teams in the nation, and the only question was "AFTER BAMA, CLEMSON AND OKLAHOMA, who are the next best challengers for the only open spot for the playoff picture". That's a DIRECT quote because that was discussed all week long on every show on every network.

Then the Iowa St Cyclones come out and beat OU on their own home field with a walk on freshman splitting time with a freaking middle linebacker at quarterback.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Don't lose. Simple. That's the Penn State burden. Lose and we're toast.

You hit that nail on the head!!!

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Exactly and Michigan losing helps us. You can't count on Wiscy to beat them...take the losses when you can get them. If we can knock UM off, then they are out.

They are already out. It would have been much better if WE were the ones to have done it. Now they will be nothing more than also-rans when we beat them.

 

[michnittlion]

Go f-(k yourself dickhead. If you like smelling Ohio State's a$$ like we had to last year, feel free. But don't come crying on this Board in December bi+ching and complaining when the Committee uses their muddied politics to say that Washington's wins over Stanford and USC are better than our wins over Michigan and Michigan State because Notre Dame destroyed Michigan State in East Lansing.

We've been screwed too many times. 1968, 69, 73, 94, 2016. If Ohio State beats Texas in 2005, we play USC for the National Championship. Sounds like you are too young to remember all that.

Enjoy your Peach Bowl.

One difference between 1994, 2005 and 2017 --- we completely control our destiny. Win out and we'll be one of the 4 teams playing for the MNC.

Beat Akron. Beat Pittsburgh. Beat Georgia State. Beat Iowa. Beat Indiana. Beat Northwestern. Beat Michigan. Beat Ohio State. Beat MSU. Beat Rutgers. Beat Nebraska. Beat Maryland. Beat Wisconsin (most likely).

6 down, 7 to go in that regard.

If we're 11-1 and playing in the Peach Bowl --- well, I guess that's our own "fault." Though that's still honestly pretty damn good in its own right. If the cards don't fall our way, fair enough.

 

[BisbeeMike]

Just think how crappy San Diego State feels? They might beat everyone in sight and finish no higher than 15th.

 

[BisbeeMike]

One difference between 1994, 2005 and 2017 --- we completely control our destiny. Win out and we'll be one of the 4 teams playing for the MNC.

Beat Akron. Beat Pittsburgh. Beat Georgia State. Beat Iowa. Beat Indiana. Beat Northwestern. Beat Michigan. Beat Ohio State. Beat MSU. Beat Rutgers. Beat Nebraska. Beat Maryland. Beat Wisconsin (most likely).

6 down, 7 to go in that regard.

If we're 11-1 and playing in the Peach Bowl --- well, I guess that's our own "fault." Though that's still honestly pretty damn good in its own right. If the cards don't fall our way, fair enough.

Actually the goal IS to play in the Peach Bowl. In January, in the final game of the year.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Why is there such hand-wringing over what other teams are doing? If Penn State loses a game, they've given up their opportunity to control how things go. If they keep winning, they'll be in fine shape. Personally, I'll love watching all the other teams, especially those in the Big Ten, lose. It was fun watching Oklahoma yak it and always fun to watch Michigan lose. How do some of you sleep at night with all of this worrying?

The problem is when they lose, our probabilities for a Playoff slot diminish. If that's not important, then you are right. Who cares?

 

[CDLionFL]

Just think how crappy San Diego State feels? They might beat everyone in sight and finish no higher than 15th.

South Florida feels the same way.

 

[CDLionFL]

The problem is when they lose, our probabilities for a Playoff slot diminish. If that's not important, then you are right. Who cares?

But when Penn State wins, they keep their probabilities stable, if not make them rise. Why get your mind worked up in what others do when you're in the driver's seat? Last year was the time to worry about others because PSU needed Michigan to lose twice and OSU had to be the one to give them that 2nd loss. When you need help, you worry about other results. PSU doesn't need any help right now -- tunnel vision focus on winning each week and going 1-0. It's a long season. Things will start taking care of themselves like they did today with OU losing. It's only October 8, still plenty of time for conference attrition. If PSU loses to either Michigan or Ohio State or even Michigan State coming up, then depending on the conference standings, there may have to be some concern. But not until then. All of this worrying is taking away from enjoying each week and each win as something special. 6 years ago you'd have been wishing on every star in the universe to have this luxury.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

One difference between 1994, 2005 and 2017 --- we completely control our destiny. Win out and we'll be one of the 4 teams playing for the MNC.

Beat Akron. Beat Pittsburgh. Beat Georgia State. Beat Iowa. Beat Indiana. Beat Northwestern. Beat Michigan. Beat Ohio State. Beat MSU. Beat Rutgers. Beat Nebraska. Beat Maryland. Beat Wisconsin (most likely).

6 down, 7 to go in that regard.

If we're 11-1 and playing in the Peach Bowl --- well, I guess that's our own "fault." Though that's still honestly pretty damn good in its own right. If the cards don't fall our way, fair enough.

Sorry man. I'd rather be 11-1 and playing in the Rose Bowl (this year). The Peach Bowl is even worse than the Rose Bowl was last year. At least this year, the Rose Bowl will actually mean something (Playoff).

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Just think how crappy San Diego State feels? They might beat everyone in sight and finish no higher than 15th.

Sounds like their problem. Not our problem.

 

[BisbeeMike]

Sounds like their problem. Not our problem.

It was our problem in 1968 and 1969.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Actually the goal IS to play in the Peach Bowl. In January, in the final game of the year.

HAAAAA!!!! You are right!!! I stand corrected!!!!!!

 

[Victor E. Bell]

It was our problem in 1968 and 1969.

I was two years old.

I stand by my original post...You have to win, and you have to win them all. Lose one game and your season is a complete waste of time.

 

[BisbeeMike]

I was two years old.

I stand by my original post...You have to win, and you have to win them all. Lose one game and your season is a complete waste of time.

Post noted and sealed with approval. Now, let's fix the offensive line and the field goal situation.

 

[michnittlion]

Actually the goal IS to play in the Peach Bowl. In January, in the final game of the year.

Sort of true ...... there is the actual game named the Peach Bowl on 1-January. Then the playoff Championship game (in Hot-lanta but not technically the "Peach Bowl") on 8-January.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Sort of true ...... there is a Peach Bowl on 1-January. Then the playoff Championship game (in Hot-lanta) on 8-January.

Ya. But he made it clear when he said the FINAL game of the year (2017/2018 season).

As you insinuate, the first one means nothing to me.

 

[fastlax16]

Go f-(k yourself dickhead. If you like smelling Ohio State's a$$ like we had to last year, feel free. But don't come crying on this Board in December bi+ching and complaining when the Committee uses their muddied politics to say that Washington's wins over Stanford and USC are better than our wins over Michigan and Michigan State because Notre Dame destroyed Michigan State in East Lansing.

We've been screwed too many times. 1968, 69, 73, 94, 2016. If Ohio State beats Texas in 2005, we play USC for the National Championship. Sounds like you are too young to remember all that.

Enjoy your Peach Bowl.

Uncalled for. We had two losses last year. That doesn’t seem to resonate with you. It’s bull chit but it’s really really simple. Again last week it was all about undefeated Oklahoma and the pc-12 plus one loss Bama and Clemson. Give it a f’kng rest. If we win out we are in. Harbaugh can drive his season off a cliff and it doesn’t change that. If we lose a game we need to focus on winning the division first and Michigan losing helps achieve that. It’s impossible to know what combination of games helps or hurts at this point in the season. Maybe Michigan st finishes w two losses and looks like a great win at the end of the season (I know I know notre dame). You just don’t know at this point so stfu.

And I was at every home game and the orange bowl in 2005. Even if Texas loses to osu we don’t necessarily get in. Should have beaten Michigan. Why is everything someone else’s problem? We didn’t achieve something because osu couldn’t beat Texas. Losers mentality. Boo f’ing hoo. Go blame Reggie Bush for the bush push or the refs for not calling it in that case.