anywhere from 1-DNP. one of about 15 guys who I think could win it all.I'm curious where you would put Ayala in March.
5-r12 seems about right.
anywhere from 1-DNP. one of about 15 guys who I think could win it all.I'm curious where you would put Ayala in March.
I think where we might depart a bit is that I think this might have more to do with those AA level guys regressing than Davis making a huge jump. He's definitely better. I'm just not ready to say he's that much better, yet.Thank you for confirming my thoughts basically. I get if you have a better history, you get more benefit of the doubt but nobody would have picked Davis to be beating AA level guys as a HS senior.
I would agree with your take they regressed but they still recorded wins over good kids this year. Now if Davis' ranking was completely made on beating Eddie Ventresca earlier this season then you definitely are onto something lol.I think where we might depart a bit is that I think this might have more to do with those AA level guys regressing than Davis making a huge jump. He's definitely better. I'm just not ready to say he's that much better, yet.
I don't know if we'll ever see a bracket like 125 again. Would be so funny if it ended up going chalk.I would agree with your take they regressed but they still recorded wins over good kids this year. Now if Davis' ranking was completely made on beating Eddie Ventresca earlier this season then you definitely are onto something lol.
That being said, your point stands, Braeden will face someone that can in theory beat him every round, especially since he could be drawing someone like Maida, Terukina, Palmer first round.
I think after conferences, it might end up being laughably true since it indicates who is getting hot.I don't know if we'll ever see a bracket like 125 again. Would be so funny if it ended up going chalk.
Camacho? Jacob or Colton? Either one would be a major surprise. Jacob has reportedly had some kind of nerve disorder and has seemingly lost his starting job to Trombley after losing 4 straight duals and Colton kind of sucks and has lost 4 in a row himself.I think after conferences, it might end up being laughably true since it indicates who is getting hot.
As @jmadden1998 said, some guys are starting to solidify themselves surely as one of the guys, Ramos was the first (probably least shocking) I think someone from the Big 12 clearly does (my guess is Volk) and similar from the ACC (guessing Camacho)
Landmines will be everywhere as expected, Figs is going to be the annoying wildcard if he's healthy because he'll basically be randomly drawn into the field also lol. Noto is looking like he's going to be a bad draw instead of a high seed.
I was wondering what the deal with Camacho was. I really liked him a couple years ago and thought he would be in contention this year.Camacho? Jacob or Colton? Either one would be a major surprise. Jacob has reportedly had some kind of nerve disorder and has seemingly lost his starting job to Trombley after losing 4 straight duals and Colton kind of sucks and has lost 4 in a row himself.
Job 38; such a great chapter!two years ago when we arrived at Logan pass shortly after dawn, and I looked around me, the words of job 38 came rushing into my head. Unforgettable.
Do they have guanciale at the General Store?yes, i live here. got kicked out of easton.
haven't made it up to sandpoint yet.
I think it's one too few. But what do I know.That is 2 too many.
Doubtful but they do have bulk foods for all the Doomsday Preppers and, back in the 90s, the White Aryan Nation members who’d come into town to get supplies (no joke). Ruby Ridge is just up the road from SandpointDo they have guanciale at the General Store?
Congratulations to you my friend! You are a rock star!!!!HBD Willie- you share 2/8 with my daughter! 22 years old today!
Probably not, but he can just use bacon….Do they have guanciale at the General Store?
Kilkeary has no good wins? He has head scratching losses early at the midlands and a couple others that any true freshman could have. However, he lost in sudden victory to #9 Greg D, 5-0 to Ramos and 10-3 to Noto. And, he beat Davis (we all know it).Yes, he's done a great job. I just want to see more before I predict him to be a top 4 guy. I feel the same way about Ayala more or less (though I do think Ayala is better and will control this match).
There aren't many guys at 125 who I don't think Davis can beat on any given day, but there also might be 20 guys who I think can beat him too, if not more. For example, the NCAA head of officials put out a statement saying he should have lost to Kilkeary and Kilkeary would not be ranked if he were the starter. He has several ugly losses.
Kilkeary is definitely going to be pretty good, although it sounds like he’s had an inconsistent redshirt year (that’s why redshirts exist, though, I guess). McCrone isn’t bad, either, but I think eventually next year Kilkeary will overtake him.Kilkeary has no good wins.
He has two head scratching losses early at the midlands that any true freshman could have. However, he lost in sudden victory to #9 Greg Diakamahalis,
Kilkeary only lost to Noto 10-3, Diakamaholis in SV and Ramos 5-0. He has head scratching losses as all freshman do. But had he beat Davis (which we all know he did) then he’d certainly be ranked. Point is Kilkeary is NO slouch and will be tough.
Idk.... Kilkeary has always been tough.I think we agree here. I said he could make the finals with how crazy the weight is. My only contention would be if I had to pick people to place top 4 at this point, I'd lean on guys with larger track records and/or have done it before.
If in the next few weeks, he sweeps Ayala, Peterson, and Smith that changes my perspective considerably. Maybe even if he only goes 2-1, honestly.
Could also be recency bias. I've never been high on Kilkeary and the fact he (should have) lost that match tells me he hasn't made the enormous jump from where he was a year ago when you had him ranked as a good, not great recruit.
LossesKilkeary is definitely going to be pretty good, although it sounds like he’s had an inconsistent redshirt year (that’s why redshirts exist, though, I guess). McCrone isn’t bad, either, but I think eventually next year Kilkeary will overtake him.
Robbie HowardI was wondering what the deal with Camacho was. I really liked him a couple years ago and thought he would be in contention this year.
Idk.... Kilkeary has always been tough.
No facts to back this up, I believe that he is darn close to beating or being just as good as McCrone.
That is with all my years of super spectacular knowledge that I present to you.😁🤫
I agree the Kilk had the win, but his only scoring move was that great throw at the end. Let's not pretend that he is better than Davis.Losses
4-2 to Caleb Weiand, Michigan St backup (8-6 record)
5-0 to Matt Ramos, Purdue. Ranked #1. 19-3 record
7-2 Kaden Chinavare, Central Michigan. Redshirt freshman (8-4 record)
10-3 Anthony Noto, Lock Haven. 12-2 record.
12-0 Diego Sotelo, Harvard. 21-7 record.
5-4 Max Gallagher, Penn. 11-5 record.
4-1 Greg Diakomahlis, Cornell, 13-3 record
4-3 Braeden Davis, Penn St, 14-0
K beat Davis last year and was a higher ranked recruit.. If I had to guess partially based upon Davis wrestling a bit too conservative after that first takedown, I think their history was in his head just a bit. I like Braeden's upside in our room much better!I agree the Kilk had the win, but his only scoring move was that great throw at the end. Let's not pretend that he is better than Davis.
on a blatant illegal cutback that the ref fell asleep on.K beat Davis last year and was a higher ranked recruit.. If I had to guess partially based upon Davis wrestling a bit too conservative after that first takedown, I think their history was in his head just a bit. I like Braeden's upside in our room much better!
Independent of the outcome, I thought he wrestled less free than we have become accustomed. I suspect the history there altered his approach, and held him back a bit.on a blatant illegal cutback that the ref fell asleep on.
I believe this, too. Beating a guy you’ve lost to (twice in this case) is a mental hurdle you don’t have against others who may even be better but you haven’t faced before. He was very tentative in that match. Learning to just cut loose is something he’s still working on.Independent of the outcome, I thought he wrestled less free than we have become accustomed. I suspect the history there altered his approach, and held him back a bit.
well duh. i have him #1I’m most confident in Ramos. Finalist last year and he hasn’t lost since Cliff Keen on Dec 1. He has beaten 4 ranked guys since then, Ayala, Barnett, Peterson and Molton.
That's an interesting take. I was puzzled as to why he was so tentative in the 3rd period instead of looking to score another takedown and ice the match. Basically gave the other guy too much respect and the opportunity to get really aggressive without the worry of getting out of position and taken down. Hopefully he learns from this because I thought he was the better wrestler for the majority of that match.I believe this, too. Beating a guy you’ve lost to (twice in this case) is a mental hurdle you don’t have against others who may even be better but you haven’t faced before. He was very tentative in that match. Learning to just cut loose is something he’s still working on.
It’s not pretending until Braedon beats him. He hasn’t yet. But I’m with you and @GogglesPaizano on thinking he does from here on out to prove your point. Crazy anxious for tonight against an elite who’s beaten McKee twice and lost close to Ramos. If our kid wins, the pin drop silence in Carver may allow them to hear my screamed ‘Yes!’ from four states away.I agree the Kilk had the win, but his only scoring move was that great throw at the end. Let's not pretend that he is better than Davis.
@smalls103 If this is not allowed because it's behind a paywall, let me know and I'll delete it.
I love Willie's Crystal Ball Predictions, as I like those kind of projections over rankings, as they are just someone picking what they thing will happen versus rankings that are just based on pure results that have been seen up to that point.
Willie now has us at 171 points (He has Iowa 5th)
Davis 4th
Nagao 5th
Beau 1st
Kasak 7th
Haines 2nd (Shapiro 1st)
Messenbrink 3rd
Starrocci 1st
Truax 3rd
Brooks 1st
Kerkvliet 1st
No one has at 125 this year, though. Maybe Ramos. Maybe.I understand the hesitation on Davis' rankings; his resume doesn't scream top-5 wrestler. At the same time, Ayala has not yet earned elite status either.
It’s not pretending until Braedon beats him. He hasn’t yet. But I’m with you and @GogglesPaizano on thinking he does from here on out to prove your point. Crazy anxious for tonight against an elite who’s beaten McKee twice and lost close to Ramos. If our kid wins, the pin drop silence in Carver may allow them to hear my screamed ‘Yes!’ from four states away.