Hall: "Hey Zahid, can I be your workout partner to help you represent USA?"
World Championships - Oct. 20-28
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Hall: "Hey Zahid, can I be your workout partner to help you represent USA?"
Honestly, if we’re sticking to the athletes only Snyder has been the loudmouth - talking twitter trash for more than a year and calling Sadulaev’s mentors dumb. We don’t want to acknowledge this, because ‘Murica, but maybe some humble pie was served.
I thought something was off with Snyder, so I’m not surprised at this, but the quick pin is shocking
No only that, but Batirov and Gazimagomedov (his opponent in the finals) are both from Dagestan, which is a bit smaller than West Virginia.
Agreed. didn’t look right in the eyes standing on the mat before. Chalked it up to the size of the moment, but that’s not typical Captn. America.
FIremans took him over to his back... then he had Snyders elbows/arms hooked, his back on Snyders chest. Clear pin
Pretty crazy a fireman’s won two gold medals this year. There’s hope for Desanto yet.
Hi LL, Mark Hall asked me to tell you that you can unfollow him and crawl under a rock.
I don't have or use Twitter so I was not aware of this. I guess I only got the one sided version where the Russian coach was mouthing off and criticizing Snyder. If what you said is true maybe some humble pie was served today.
It's not something I would doubt considering Snyder did have something to say on Twitter about PSU last year and again he was served up some humble pie. If he's really on social media doing what you say he's doing I'd say I like the humble Kyle Snyder better and not the guy running his mouth on the internet.
Me too! I hate it when people I want to like for their achievements talk too much and reveal unlikeable personality. See Elon Musk.
Say what? I just watched it and the ref was in the perfect position to see the pin.
But Lemonpie asked me to lodge a complaint: The camera was not in perfect position to check for shrinkage or lack thereof. Please add more cameras in the future.
#shrinkagecam #zoom247
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Snyder needs to warm up with J’den Cox and get his arms covered with a layer of J’den sweat. Sadulaev would have been unable to hold Snyder down by Snyder’s slippery arms.
I did not see a fireman, nor a Peterson. We need more-cromulent words!
I agree - a Fireman's Carry is leg and arm of same side (head under armpit of opponent's arm). In this case he had leg and opposite arm... a variant of Kelly or Petersen Roll - more Kelly imho as you're using opposite arm from leg hold (Peterson is leg and arm of same side). Kelly is what they call the counter roll for an opponent who sprawls on your Hi-C as was done here.
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Not the way it feels for Kyle right now, I'm sure...he'll turn the loss into a positive and be even more prepared next time.
He didn't pin him from the Petersen Position... the Russian Tank spun 180 degrees on his shoulder which was squarely in Snyder's chest, then he got the pin (i.e., immediately following accomplishing the chest-to-chest position).
.... Between PSU & Sadulaev, maybe Kyle needs to back away from the Twitter Machine for a bit .....
Would of never imagined that would be the outcome. The unexpected is one of the main reasons I love this sport.
The next one should be PPV
The next one should be PPV
Right, but he held him there for awhile without even hooking a leg, like you'd normally have with a Peterson, and Snyder didn't have an answer. I don't either but I imagine it would either involve moving his hips out or maybe using Sadulaev's momentum against him--his shoulders aren't far from the mat either.
Sure seems like they had scouted Snyder and had that planned if he could get on a single
But he did have firm control of both of Snyder's arms (i.e., locked on both forearms and holding tight across his chest). This is why Snyder could not escape the position - Sudalev was glued to his chest using Snyder's arms pulled and pinned across his own chest to tie him there. Much like the Pettersen Position, it is nearly impossible to pin someone from that position, but you are making them burn a tremendous amount of energy keeping at least on shoulder blade off mat. Sudalev knew he couldn't pin him from that position so he spun after he felt he had tired him out sufficiently. In any event, even though you can't really pin from that position, it is still very difficult to extricate yourself from that position when both of your arms are locking you to your opponent and they have an iron grip on your forearms.
I fully agree with your description of what happened here, but still--wrestlers do escape from Petersons. Snyder couldn't. But it's easier for me to monday-morning quarterback than suggest how to defend against Sadulaev.
Sadulaev has pinned Snyder more times than he has pinned me.
IMHO, Snyder's chance to escape was when Sudalev released the far arm and spun 180 degrees while holding onto near arm. Snyder almost got to his belly but was not quick enough (didn't seem to sense or feel when Sudalev was going to attempt the spin and seemed a little late in reacting). Again, he very nearly did get to his stomach (pretty much got to his side) when Sudev spun on his shoulder to get chest-to-chest....but Sudalev was able to roll him back to his back as he never made it to a full bellied-out position.
Having seen a lot of Snyder's matches from his freshman year in high school on I can tell you that he doesn't do much on the mat wrestling as takedowns are his strong point and really all he wants to do. Take that away and he has a lot to think about. It will be interesting to see how he responds to this loss. Once that feeling of invulnerability is gone a completely new mind set is necessary and over the past 55 years I've seen a lot of great wrestlers that never recaptured their greatness after a devastating loss. Let's hope he's not one of them.
But again. Barrel Roll (also called a "Dump Roll") is from the Fireman's Carry position - i.e., holding elbow of arm slung over your head on same side as leg you are going to pin at the knee and use as fulcrum to "dump" opponent over onto their side/back. Also quite different in that you are already in a chest-to-chest position when you pop head up after dumping opponent.
In this case, Sudalev went opposite arm/elbow from the side he had Hi-C on.
Disagree, fireman’s is arm and leg on same side, barrrel is arm and leg on opposite sides. Usually you keep the leg to finish a fireman’s, and release the leg to finish a barrel.
I think CJF says “leg” to mean the opponent’s right knee that the wrestler trips using the wrestler‘s right hand in the following video, whereas you say “leg” to mean the opponent’s left knee/leg that the wrestler might grab using the wrestler’s right hand and throw upward in an “outside fireman’s carry” using the same dump action by the wrestler’s left arm on the opponent’s right arm/armpit as in the following video.
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Not sure I agree (you're pinning the knee on the same side as the arm you are locking and pulling down on by bicep/elbow in a dump/barrell roll) but not important. On a Fireman's Carry and a Dump (Barrel) Roll you are roll your opponent to the outside off of your back....but in the move that Sudalev did was an "inside roll" using outside leg and opposite arm (effectively "sitting into" your opponent) - this is why Sudalev finished chest/face up with his back on Snyder's chest (and Snyder on his back with Sudalev controlling him by strapping his arms across his chest with wrist bars). Again, you do not end up in this position on either a Fireman's Carry or Dump/Barrel Roll as you're rolling opponent off of you to outside arm....again, in this case it was outside leg and opposite inside arm (i.e., "iside roll" with Sudalev "sitting into" and Rolling into the arm and into Snyder's body - not "dumping" him to the outside).
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This is what Sadulaev used, with a better camera angle.
PS, who knew Snyder could be pinned with a Pitt move?
PS, who knew Snyder could be pinned with a Pitt move?
