2021-2023 Transfer Portal news

[82bordeaux]

Not even remotely the same. Predicting injury for a future competition is not the same as suggesting leaving an injured brother behind. One is a prediction, the other is occurring.

Not even remotely true. You can choose to let something go, in most cases it is your need you are fulfilling when you decide to confront. I can see certain circumstances where there is a need to confront such as coming to the defense of someone in a time of need (racial slurs yelled at wrestler) but if someone yells that a wrestler was pinned, you can choose not to engage and it does mean you are affirming their opinion. I agree a person betting on a wrestler getting injured should most likely be met with a respectful counter-point but all those that chose not to respond were not affirming it was true. Examples used were extreme to prove point not for further debate.

Bottom line...what's your point? Are you being argumentative to argue or you defending PSUgo's posts?

Not even remotely the same. Predicting injury for a future competition is not the same as suggesting leaving an injured brother behind. One is a prediction, the other is occurring.
He suggested we move on (i.e. leave Howard behind) as though his prediction was certainty. Even to the point of wagering on that future injury.

I agree a person betting on a wrestler getting injured should most likely be met with a respectful counter-point but all those that chose not to respond were not affirming it was true

I'm not indicting every member of this forum that doesn't rebut douchery, trolling, and mean-spirited posts toward student-athletes. But I am saying when no one speaks up, the bullies and trolls turn the forum into a cesspool. We have seen it happen elsewhere.

 

[PSUer1989]

I keep looking at this thread thinking there may be real transfer information!

 

[mjmirv]

I’m all for this Robbie to join our starting lineup.

 

[Cstroke]

 

[PSUbluTX]

... but he's just added to his own bad takes by defending him.

If I had a dime for all the bad takes I've seen on this board over the years I could probably retire.

If I had the same for every bad take on HR ... well, then I could surely retire to Aruba.

 

[kps7987]

Bottom line...what's your point? Are you being argumentative to argue or you defending PSUgo's posts?

Not even remotely the same. Predicting injury for a future competition is not the same as suggesting leaving an injured brother behind. One is a prediction, the other is occurring.
He suggested we move on (i.e. leave Howard behind) as though his prediction was certainty. Even to the point of wagering on that future injury.

I agree a person betting on a wrestler getting injured should most likely be met with a respectful counter-point but all those that chose not to respond were not affirming it was true

I'm not indicting every member of this forum that doesn't rebut douchery, trolling, and mean-spirited posts toward student-athletes. But I am saying when no one speaks up, the bullies and trolls turn the forum into a cesspool. We have seen it happen elsewhere.

Are you being argumentative to argue or you defending PSUgo's posts?
There are more than 2 potential reasons for my post. Weird that you didn't consider one of the reasons was that your information was not accurate,

He suggested we move on (i.e. leave Howard behind) as though his prediction was certainty. Even to the point of wagering on that future injury.
You made the comparison that predicting future injury of a sporting event was comparable to leaving an injured military member behind on the battlefield. I assume you understand the difference between something that is a potential to occur in the future to something that has occurred and is currently an issue to address? All the time people predict potential injury, often times when an NFL player has not made it through consecutive seasons they are deemed as injury prone by commentators. Giving your opinion that someone is more likely to be injured in competitive play in the future is not attacking that individual but may say more about your outlook on life. I'm not a doctor and have very little understanding of sports injuries so I would not make such a prediction. Also I wish the best for people so that can cloud my judgement.

I'm not indicting every member of this forum that doesn't rebut douchery, trolling, and mean-spirited posts toward student-athletes. But I am saying when no one speaks up, the bullies and trolls turn the forum into a cesspool. We have seen it happen elsewhere.

In this forum the bullies and trolls can be the ones that think they are the martyrs for standing up for what is right. Piling on, name calling, and meme posting is far less effective and puts someone on defense then a person stating a reasonable objection with the intent of helping the person find the error in their ways.

Even your response to me seems to indicate that you believe I have defended PSUgo. I have not and find betting on injury reprehensible. I have even responded to PSUgo in a non-bullying fashion and he rebutted taking a more dug in stance. My way does not always work but I prefer to at least try each time.

Not argumentative, just feel you stated things as generalized facts that are wrong.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

I don't like what's been going on in the transfer portal lately. Not one bit.

 

[donboy6499]

I don't like what's been going on in the transfer portal lately. Not one bit.

Go on....

 

[82bordeaux]

Are you being argumentative to argue or you defending PSUgo's posts?
There are more than 2 potential reasons for my post. Weird that you didn't consider one of the reasons was that your information was not accurate,

He suggested we move on (i.e. leave Howard behind) as though his prediction was certainty. Even to the point of wagering on that future injury.
You made the comparison that predicting future injury of a sporting event was comparable to leaving an injured military member behind on the battlefield. I assume you understand the difference between something that is a potential to occur in the future to something that has occurred and is currently an issue to address? All the time people predict potential injury, often times when an NFL player has not made it through consecutive seasons they are deemed as injury prone by commentators. Giving your opinion that someone is more likely to be injured in competitive play in the future is not attacking that individual but may say more about your outlook on life. I'm not a doctor and have very little understanding of sports injuries so I would not make such a prediction. Also I wish the best for people so that can cloud my judgement.

I'm not indicting every member of this forum that doesn't rebut douchery, trolling, and mean-spirited posts toward student-athletes. But I am saying when no one speaks up, the bullies and trolls turn the forum into a cesspool. We have seen it happen elsewhere.

In this forum the bullies and trolls can be the ones that think they are the martyrs for standing up for what is right. Piling on, name calling, and meme posting is far less effective and puts someone on defense then a person stating a reasonable objection with the intent of helping the person find the error in their ways.

Even your response to me seems to indicate that you believe I have defended PSUgo. I have not and find betting on injury reprehensible. I have even responded to PSUgo in a non-bullying fashion and he rebutted taking a more dug in stance. My way does not always work but I prefer to at least try each time.

Not argumentative, just feel you stated things as generalized facts that are wrong.

My statement:
Bottom line...what's your point? Are you being argumentative to argue or you defending PSUgo's posts?

Even your response to me seems to indicate that you believe I have defended PSUgo.

Using your argument on generalized facts that are wrong, where above did I state you were defending his posts? I asked a question. You clarified it with your answer. You were arguing my logic/facts and not defending the posts.

Regarding you stating I couldn't differentiate between predicting an injury and abandoning someone, read PSUgo's post on the subject. It's one of about 10 on the subject of Robbie.

He's done. Injury prone. Plan for the portal next year at 125.

It was his response to Robbie's tweet below:

 

[jmadden1998]

He is doing some sort of penance for telling us in a drunken stupor he hated all of us phuckers. He has been universally told it is all good, but you know how some are. They need to feel they earned forgiveness as opposed to being granted forgiveness.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Go on....

FIFY

I don't like what's been going on in the transfer portal "board" lately. Not one bit.

 

[kps7987]

My statement:
Bottom line...what's your point? Are you being argumentative to argue or you defending PSUgo's posts?

Even your response to me seems to indicate that you believe I have defended PSUgo.

Using your argument on generalized facts that are wrong, where above did I state you were defending his posts? I asked a question. You clarified it with your answer. You were arguing my logic/facts and not defending the posts.

Regarding you stating I couldn't differentiate between predicting an injury and abandoning someone, read PSUgo's post on the subject. It's one of about 10 on the subject of Robbie.

It was his response to Robbie's tweet below:

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Comparing apples to apples, if Robbie said "I just hurt my shoulder" and PSUgo's response was "Penn State needs to move forward" that would be similar in context to abandoning a wounded soldier on the battlefield. Predicting future injury will never be the same as abandoning current injury no matter how you justify. One is actually occurring as you speak and the other is speculation. Not to mention comparing sport to military combat is of itself in poor taste.

 

[82bordeaux]

Not to mention comparing sport to military combat is of itself in poor taste.

I think we are really getting to the crux of your issue. If I offended you, I apologize. The only reason I made that analogy was because the previous poster made a point to mention his military career. Otherwise, the thought would have never occurred to me. That said, my apology is sincere. No one has more respect for those that served and continue to serve than me.

 

[kps7987]

I think we are really getting to the crux of your issue. If I offended you, I apologize. The only reason I made that analogy was because the previous poster made a point to mention his military career. Otherwise, the thought would have never occurred to me. That said, my apology is sincere. No one has more respect for those that served and continue to serve than me.

Never was offended. Just thought you analogy was wrong.

 

[Used2BEerie]

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[Sportfan2017]

Can we put this portal board in the portal? Now

I can't imagine anyone picking it up........oops......then He Remembers

 

[GantryZ]

Wait, why are you bringing Sammy Sasso into the transfer thread? PSU brings him in at 157 and Haines moves up to 165? Bold move, Cotton...

 

[District four]

Never was offended. Just thought you analogy was wrong.

 

[District four]

Was it wrong? I think it's all in how it is interpreted by the reader. Psugo stated we needed to move on because Howard is injury prone and will get hurt again. That's leaving someone behind in my book. I'm not sure what the tiff is with military analogies I mean nothing really compares in the civilian world but that's what makes the analogy effective just my take and my opinion. If you ask me most of the infighting is about perception and has nothing to do about facts. It's like fighting with my freaking wife. Next thing you know we are fighting about how we are fighting lmfao.

 

[kps7987]

Was it wrong? I think it's all in how it is interpreted by the reader. Psugo stated we needed to move on because Howard is injury prone and will get hurt again. That's leaving someone behind in my book. I'm not sure what the tiff is with military analogies I mean nothing really compares in the civilian world but that's what makes the analogy effective just my take and my opinion. If you ask me most of the infighting is about perception and has nothing to do about facts. It's like fighting with my freaking wife. Next thing you know we are fighting about how we are fighting lmfao.

Comparing someone's potential for future injury (injury has not occurred and may never occur) to someone's injury that has factually occurred is unequivocally wrong analogically. An NFL team has a player take a physical to ensure they are physically fit and may decide not to sign them based on predictability of future injury (ligament damage, imbalance of strength due to previous injury, etc.) however an NFL team cannot have a player get inured and not fulfill their contracted obligations due to the injury. That is an analogy to his analogy. The underlying factors in his analogy are not closely relatable as he is comparing injury but one is present and the other is speculative.

 

[McScoreley]

I know this is me being stupid but when I see this thread bumped, I actually expect portal updates ...

 

[mcpat]

 

[Cstroke]

A question here that I don’t remember seeing discussed.
Howard’s last injury, do people think he could have come back too soon and re injured something that wasn’t fully healed?
If that’s the case then he might not be as injury prone??
Thoughts?

 

[McScoreley]

A question here that I don’t remember seeing discussed.
Howard’s last injury, do people think he could have come back too soon and re injured something that wasn’t fully healed?
If that’s the case then he might not be as injury prone??
Thoughts?

So Howard got hurt his senior year of HS, wrestled with it (won states anyways) then got surgery immediately. He seemed good until McKee ripped it apart again with a power half at NCAAs 2021, he got surgery again and basically said he'll take the year off. Came back for Junior Open and was definitely hurt against Cooper Flynn in the open and then in the wrestleback match at Trials, aggravated something since he defaulted in like 10 seconds. Hasn't wrestled since. I know some said he didn't hurt his shoulder at trials (elbow some said?) But a lot of people said he rehurt his shoulder in practice at summer and was clearly done before the season started. It's truly a bummer. I think he had adequate recovery most times but he's definitely injury prone but so was Cassar and he was good for 2 years even.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I think it is right to wonder if Howard will ever be healthy enough to compete at a high level ong term again. It is not a question of talent or heart, but a simple fact that shoulders are very tough to recover when it comes to a sport where they are constantly getting ripped on. I really hope the young man can do it. He is one heck of a wrestler and I'm sure he hates this more than anyone. Rather than betting on whether he sustains more injuries I will just pray for his health and enjoy watching him if we are given that opportunity.

 

[Psugo823]

I appreciate your sincerity and empathy, but disagree completely with this specific application.

He's the keyboard warrior, attacking Howard and Facundo (at least), and then attacking those who refute his stances. (BTW, his behavior pattern is not exclusive to the wrestling board. Another example: he attacked Shrewsbury on the hoops board right before we won the first round game.)

And now he's posing as a martyr, and trying to recruit others into the victimhood club.

This is the behavior of someone best ignored.

And you are a frat boy who ain't about $hit...can't even think of a better example of a keyboard warrior...lol

 

[Psugo823]

I think it is right to wonder if Howard will ever be healthy enough to compete at a high level ong term again. It is not a question of talent or heart, but a simple fact that shoulders are very tough to recover when it comes to a sport where they are constantly getting ripped on. I really hope the young man can do it. He is one heck of a wrestler and I'm sure he hates this more than anyone. Rather than betting on whether he sustains more injuries I will just pray for his health and enjoy watching him if we are given that opportunity.

I wasn't hoping for an injury..I was calling out those who are claiming he's going to be just fine...I hope they are right but I know injury prone when I see it.

 

[kps7987]

I wasn't hoping for an injury..I was calling out those who are claiming he's going to be just fine...I hope they are right but I know injury prone when I see it.

And there in lies the problem. You are CALLING OUT people who are wishing for the best for a college athlete. Wishing for the best is not a negative quality that needs to be called out. To my knowledge nobody has guaranteed an injury free season.

 

[tullfan68]

My statement:
Bottom line...what's your point? Are you being argumentative to argue or you defending PSUgo's posts?

Even your response to me seems to indicate that you believe I have defended PSUgo.

Using your argument on generalized facts that are wrong, where above did I state you were defending his posts? I asked a question. You clarified it with your answer. You were arguing my logic/facts and not defending the posts.

Regarding you stating I couldn't differentiate between predicting an injury and abandoning someone, read PSUgo's post on the subject. It's one of about 10 on the subject of Robbie.

It was his response to Robbie's tweet below:

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so robbie you now got 2 team titles,how many does psugo have??LOL

 

[Str8DBLz]

What 125 lbers are in the portal? Unless he means Betancourt, he is either fibbing or accusing the PSU staff of tampering.

Won't be below 133 if he comes back

 

[GogglesPaizano]

I wasn't hoping for an injury..I was calling out those who are claiming he's going to be just fine...I hope they are right but I know injury prone when I see it.

For the glass is half full crowd:

Once is an aberration.
Twice is concerning.
Three times is a trend.

For Robbie it's been 3+ years. Open your friggin eyes.

I was elated when we landed him, and I think I can speak for everyone on this board if he comes back next year stronger than ever and puts the injury bug into the rear view mirror we will all be celebrating with confetti and pulling for him all the way.

He is still our best answer at either 125 or 133 and noone in the pipeline can touch his potential. He has the kind of talent that can make him a finalist.

For the glass half empty crowd:

That said a trend is a trend and shoulders are the hobgoblin of wrestling injuries. The program would be foolish at this point not to seek out any and all alternative options through the portal or recruiting for the next several years. What's the down side? If we bring in a hammer and Robbie is healthy, my money is on Robbie to beat out all comers.

PS - Hobgoblin below

 

[Psugo823]

For the glass is half full crowd:

Once is an aberration.
Twice is concerning.
Three times is a trend.

For Robbie it's been 3+ years. Open your friggin eyes.

I was elated when we landed him, and I think I can speak for everyone on this board if he comes back next year stronger than ever and puts the injury bug into the rear view mirror we will all be celebrating with confetti and pulling for him all the way.

He is still our best answer at either 125 or 133 and noone in the pipeline can touch his potential. He has the kind of talent that can make him a finalist.

For the glass half empty crowd:

That said a trend is a trend and shoulders are the hobgoblin of wrestling injuries. The program would be foolish at this point not to seek out any and all alternative options through the portal or recruiting for the next several years. What's the down side? If we bring in a hammer and Robbie is healthy, my money is on Robbie to beat out all comers.

PS - Hobgoblin below

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Excellent point and I agree

 

[Psugo823]

And there in lies the problem. You are CALLING OUT people who are wishing for the best for a college athlete. Wishing for the best is not a negative quality that needs to be called out. To my knowledge nobody has guaranteed an injury free season.

No...I'm calling out posters who resorted to childish name calling and attacking... I DID NOT attack first. Period. And that's proven if you look at every attack and it's ORIGIN.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

 

[Sleepylion]

the 50+ odd posts prior to this one...

 

[kps7987]

No...I'm calling out posters who resorted to childish name calling and attacking... I DID NOT attack first. Period. And that's proven if you look at every attack and it's ORIGIN.

Here is your exact quote ".I was calling out those who are claiming he's going to be just fine". No where does it say "I'm calling out posters who resorted to childish name calling and attacking.", You making the narrative fit your story now. Self-defense is a legal term to protect you from a crime and in no way a reason to respond in message boards. That show immaturity but guess you can lump me in with the detractors rather than accept advice,

 

[nerfstate]

 

[Psugo823]

Here is your exact quote ".I was calling out those who are claiming he's going to be just fine". No where does it say "I'm calling out posters who resorted to childish name calling and attacking.", You making the narrative fit your story now. Self-defense is a legal term to protect you from a crime and in no way a reason to respond in message boards. That show immaturity but guess you can lump me in with the detractors rather than accept advice,

You're attacking, not giving advice.

 

[baccafarmer]

You're attacking, not giving advice.

Nighty night 823 - it’s the off season and your long lines of psycho-babble and chum bait is proof enough. Wake me in September when the non-trivial run up to the 23-24 season begins. Until then, I’ll be in Aruba assembling an Ohio State travelogue.

 

[mcpat]

The off-season sucks.