2021-2023 Transfer Portal news
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Once you make a world team, putting time and effort in the room is no longer required. Those Gold (and Silver and Bronze) medals are pretty easy to attain.
Dake and Snyder came to the NLWC to get their FOY (Fountain of Youth) and Captain America brands aligned with the Magic Man and generate some serious business opportunities. Dake, especially, rarely needs to train anymore, he gets stronger and faster each day.
Don’t forget that Dake also gets younger each dayOnce you make a world team, putting time and effort in the room is no longer required. Those Gold (and Silver and Bronze) medals are pretty easy to attain.
Dake and Snyder came to the NLWC to get their FOY (Fountain of Youth) and Captain America brands aligned with the Magic Man and generate some serious business opportunities. Dake, especially, rarely needs to train anymore, he gets stronger and faster each day.
I posted my concerns about transfer portal and NIL combination years ago. The NCAA is going to create 2 two type of programs at colleges. The Have and the Have Nots. The limited NIL schools will produce an inferior product which will in effect create a budget downsize that will trickle down to scholarship offers for students.
The NCAA shut down SMU for the back side perks and now they allow it.
I have no issue if Grad Student goes to new school to finish his career. I do take issue that a kid can leave a school that originally gave them the opportunity to succeed without some check and balance. Maybe sitting out a year was too harsh. A thought that I would think might work. Don't allow a kid to benefit for one year of NIL opportunity if he transfers.
The NCAA shut down SMU for the back side perks and now they allow it.
I have no issue if Grad Student goes to new school to finish his career. I do take issue that a kid can leave a school that originally gave them the opportunity to succeed without some check and balance. Maybe sitting out a year was too harsh. A thought that I would think might work. Don't allow a kid to benefit for one year of NIL opportunity if he transfers.
The statistics on people leaving jobs and getting better comp long term is astonishing especially in on demand, skilled jobs.
The thing I have trouble reconciling in these discussions is the "student-athletes" vs "minor leagues" differences. And I'll preface by saying that I don't disagree at all about the potential harm NIL will have on small- to mid-level programs.
Arguments like the one you're presenting seem to primarily concerned with maintaining athletic parity among the collegiate programs. If that is your primary goal, then that seems to be an argument to go even further toward a minor league model. Things could be collectively bargained, movement of labor/athletes could be restricted, compensation could be standardized, etc.
@Psugo823 was your 125 lber DeAugustino who officially entered the portal?
Yep...I did as well. In regards to NIL along with the new transfer rules and portal it was pretty obvious what was going to happen. Few cared and most were just happy for the athletes and didn't seemed to worried about what could happen. I went one step further into believing programs will be cut. I still feel that way if things dont change. Why would schools want to serve as a developmental program, spend resources on developing kids only to see them walk? And many schools lose money on the sport as it is.... Why would they want to lose money on a sport where they keep losing kids to other schools? ?
I know Nagao is the big prize and I imagine Cael is all over that but DeAugustino would be a fantastic grab as well. Was hurt this past year definitely but was 4th the year before. If he can get healthy, definitely a guy who can AA.
Is Deaugustino an upgrade over a healthy Robbie? That's debatable. I really don't think that they are going to actively pursue a 125 because I don't think they want to be in a position where Robbie gets healthy and doesn't have a spot or they portal in an AA who would have tons of options only to be a room guy. They showed that they can dominate the NCAAs with a goose egg at 125. If Robbie ends up injured again, I think they will be perfectly happy to just let Steen try to improve.
Not allowing NIL to transfers for a year would get challenged in court and overturned immediately. It may not be good for college athletics, but on the individual level, you can’t tell a kid they don’t have a right to their NIL for a year.
I think they'll pass on 125 and go with Robbie if healthy or Steen/Davis as they think necessary.
Agree… I think 133 and 197 are priorities. Steen, at the very least, at 125 but hopefully Howard is recuperated enough to complete. Davis not ready.
Northwestern has entered the transfer portal.
Oh, which wrestler?
I said what I said.
Oh, which wrestler?
I said what I said.
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Plus the fact that Iowa is breaking in a new 125 and they aren't guaranteed the 20 + points at that weight. I think we stay with who we have at 125.
Iowa isn't the threat. It's the one off Michigan or Ohio State that puts it all together for a year.
@hlstone, you do realize your daughter plays field hockey, right?
People, it’s not the NCAA. Please catch up.
I'm a complex man. 😃
I believe for years the NCAA tried to create parity in sports by putting limits on scholarships. The NCAA put limits on scholarships in 1973. Prior to then, it was well documented that Bear Bryant would offer a kid a free ride just to make sure the kid didn't go to Auburn or Tennessee.
Now that parity situation has become complicated by the NIL situation. NCAA has to figure out some type of fair model. The NFL model is far better than the MLB model in how to deal with trying to create an even playing field.
Before Majors arrived, Pitt did limit its scholarships _ 25 a year, half of what some schools allowed. Majors changed that in a hurry, bringing in 83 recruits that year, not just to have them on his team but also to keep them from playing elsewhere and maybe beating him someday.
The next year, the NCAA began imposing scholarship limitations, now set at 25 a year with a maximum of 88 overall. But in his one year of unlimited freedom, Majors had laid the groundwork for greatness.
What’s debatable about a 2xAA vs r16? Clearly a 2xAA is an upgrade whats debatable is if PSU even needs a 125er to keep winning.
Cael builds his teams around two absolute studs. First it was Ruth/Taylor then it was Nickel/Nolf and now it’s Brooks/Starocci. These guys are generational talents.
He then adds 2-3 other potential winners and thats all he needs. Five guys. Having a hole or two doesn’t matter and is kinda inevitable with the 9.9 limit.
Got to take care of the thoroughbreds. Other schools can’t come close to this cycle. There are no punts anymore.
He then adds 2-3 other potential winners and thats all he needs. Five guys. Having a hole or two doesn’t matter and is kinda inevitable with the 9.9 limit.
Got to take care of the thoroughbreds. Other schools can’t come close to this cycle. There are no punts anymore.
In the three years they wrestled together, Retherford scored more points at NCAAs and finished higher in the Hodge voting than Nolf and Nickal. But they were cornerstones of Cael’s team-building strategy and he wasn’t?
I am sure the NIL may contribute to some transfers, but I think it is the free transfer without sitting out a year that is the major contributor (especially in a sport like wrestling). I don’t think nearly as many athletes would wrestle if the knew they would lose a year of eligibility. And in wrestling, it is very easy to see which weights a coach may be looking to fill with transfers.
LOL you can't compare Howard to anyone till he is on the mat!!
No taking away fro Zain’s greatness… he was a killer. But trending goes like this.
Taylor and Ruth spent five yrs together and won 5 titles. 2009-14. There were other great wrestlers but they were the foundation.
Then Nickel and Nolf arrived from 2014-19 and they win 6 titles. A lot of other great wrestlers were with them but not all five years.
Now Brooks and Starocci have been there since 2019-20 and will be together for five yrs if they go again in 2023-24. They could up the ante to 8 titles! Some great wrestlers have supported them as well.
It takes five guys. But there have always been two foundational wrestlers during each stretch.
By that trending, the next pair will come from the 2024 class and that’s why Cael is loading up again. Who will it be?
Howard is claiming to be healthy, I am not confident he can navigate a full season, but IMO the job is his, that's the end of the story for next year. The room is pretty full as well as the pipeline. Short of Lilledahl, and don't see a need for yet another 125.
133 - Nagao is a perfect multi-year fit. He has to be in the center of Cael's Bills eye. Must get!!!
157 - Assuming Levi is either too big or shirts I am good with Barraclough. I think he was blood round capable last year. With one more year, definitely so. The elder Gibson? Who knows where his weight is at but I am good with the Claw regardless.
197 - If Brooks is going up, it's a mute point, but that move opens up 184. If we can get both Nagao and Truax then we are golden. I think we can roll with Ball at 184, and let Brooks take an Oly along with Carter, or Truax can go 184.
Bottom line is if we can pick up both Nagao and Truax we gain ultimate flexibility to do a lot of interesting things and offer a more liberal approach to Oly redshirts.
Oddly enough the guy who might take the maximum advantage of an Oly is Facundo, think about it. I am good with either Levi or Alex at 165, I lean a shirt for Levi next year, then sheild the eyes of your children thereafter, there is going to be blood.
PS - I takes 9 scoring wrestlers to win by 50 points
133 - Nagao is a perfect multi-year fit. He has to be in the center of Cael's Bills eye. Must get!!!
157 - Assuming Levi is either too big or shirts I am good with Barraclough. I think he was blood round capable last year. With one more year, definitely so. The elder Gibson? Who knows where his weight is at but I am good with the Claw regardless.
197 - If Brooks is going up, it's a mute point, but that move opens up 184. If we can get both Nagao and Truax then we are golden. I think we can roll with Ball at 184, and let Brooks take an Oly along with Carter, or Truax can go 184.
Bottom line is if we can pick up both Nagao and Truax we gain ultimate flexibility to do a lot of interesting things and offer a more liberal approach to Oly redshirts.
Oddly enough the guy who might take the maximum advantage of an Oly is Facundo, think about it. I am good with either Levi or Alex at 165, I lean a shirt for Levi next year, then sheild the eyes of your children thereafter, there is going to be blood.
PS - I takes 9 scoring wrestlers to win by 50 points
Exactly.
Or how about the Suriano/Hall class after having Nolf and Nickal already? We know how their careers wound up, but I’m certain Cael didn’t see only 1 title between the 2 at Penn State. Their high school careers, along with Mark’s international achievements, would have predicted as much success as anyone Cael has coached. Sometimes, **** happens.
I don’t think there’s anything special about 2 transcendent guys than a bunch of hopefuls. Cael takes the best he can get in any given year where he needs it and things fall where they do.
Bearclaw is good at getting to the legs but not finishing if he can solve that he would be a stud!
I don’t think it’s so clear. Howard was an R16 as a true freshman with half a season coming off a major injury in high school. That in itself was a pretty impressive accomplishment. DeAugustino is only a 1x AA and one R12 who wasn’t even R16 in either his freshman year or this past year. To me, it’s definitely not a slam dunk that DeAugustino is an upgrade if Howard is healthy. It’s definitely a big concern whether Howard will be able to stay healthy, but he’s clearly making the effort to be and claims he is. So assuming Howard is healthy, it doesn’t make sense to bring in someone like DeAugustino who isn’t an any more of a sure thing AA as Robbie is.
Whether or not PSU needs points from 125 is not really debatable. They don’t. LOL.
Yeah, I wouldn’t mind seeing a year to sit out for all undergrad transfers. A free grad transfer is still OK.
I believe Ball is done, no? He has eligibility, but he graduated, and I don’t think he’s sticking around. Cochran is the returning room guy in the 184/197 range. He’s petty good, too.
As for 157, there’s no way in hell they’re looking to the portal for that. If Levi isn’t there, TB is fine, but if not him, they have the Lees in house plus Gibson & possibly Kasak if he grows coming in. With guys like Kasak & Sealey on board in the coming years, it’s not a long term concern.
It was, transfer lose a year. The losing team could, but wasn't required to release the student athlete. The adults had all the power, the student-athlete none.
I am perfectly OK with a kid being able to transfer without having to kneel before his adult gatekeeper and asking.
Not directed towards you, but included with this answer. There is nothing wrong with NIL either. A kid gets access to money that is available to him/her. Why in the world should a student-athlete not be allowed to receive money in exchange for his "appearance" or efforts. Yeah, yeah it is going to ruin or kill the sport. Right up until it doesn't. The biggest bytch about NIL money is kids are being granted access to the money till that been reserved for the adults and the adults do not like it. Fans listen to the bullshyt negative narratives and regurgitate it.
I don't think Cochran is an 84 pounder. He looks every bit that of a big 97 pounder.
Howard wasn’t healthy the year he got r16 or is this excuses? I guesss if that’s the case DeAugustino wasn’t fully healthy either..
I think Cael and company has proven that they will bring in guys to create competition. They aren’t going to tell D Augustino no, IMHO unless he’s not a good human or has a personality that conflicts with their cultures. Look no further than Dean… best man up. We all loved Beard and we all loved Dean. It’s just the nature of the sport.
He was healthy when he was wrestling. He missed as lot of his training time, though, at a time when covid was still limiting access to a lot of things, too.
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