2021-2023 Transfer Portal news

[BFosr1]

Speaking of Michigan…. Michigan’s 149 Chance Lamer in the portal.

This one is a shock to everyone.

There is no one on Michigan’s roster who was taking his spot, and Michigan is loading up.

It’s fishy enough to almost feel like they have a bigger move in the pike and Lamer is getting out quickly to explore his options.

If not Michigan will roll with 149 Fidel Mayora. Maybe this is where Voinovich is headed? Hate to speculate but something is up here. I still think Voinovich left Stillwater because their Rutgers transfer Sammy Alvarez is bumping up to 149.

 

[El-Jefe]

Speaking of Michigan…. Michigan’s 149 Chance Lamer in the portal.

This one is a shock to everyone.

There is no one on Michigan’s roster who was taking his spot, and Michigan is loading up.

It’s fishy enough to almost feel like they have a bigger move in the pike and Lamer is getting out quickly to explore his options.

If not Michigan will roll with 149 Fidel Mayora. Maybe this is where Voinovich is headed? Hate to speculate but something is up here. I still think Voinovich left Stillwater because their Rutgers transfer Sammy Alvarez is bumping up to 149.

Maybe he wants to join his brother at Cal Poly?

 

[mcpat]

Maybe he wants to join his brother at Cal Poly?

That’d be lame. Even lamer than his brother.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Speaking of Michigan…. Michigan’s 149 Chance Lamer in the portal.

This one is a shock to everyone.

There is no one on Michigan’s roster who was taking his spot, and Michigan is loading up.

It’s fishy enough to almost feel like they have a bigger move in the pike and Lamer is getting out quickly to explore his options.

If not Michigan will roll with 149 Fidel Mayora. Maybe this is where Voinovich is headed? Hate to speculate but something is up here. I still think Voinovich left Stillwater because their Rutgers transfer Sammy Alvarez is bumping up to 149.

maybe we're getting to the point of 'where is mine'?

 

[Ohio2NC]

McSorley I absolutely agree with you, what I said was exaggeratory but it is a thing I guess though that can be frustrating for the coach’s who put all the time and reap the success of high school recruiting, then wait 2 years for them to be ready, and then once ready to unleash them your competitor(s) just go out and replace half their lineup for top guys to level the playing field you worked so hard for to create.

If Michigan gets Griffin that will be FOUR AA type transfers they plugged in.

The fact they have 4 open spots like that shows they didn’t recruit well to get to that point. They aren’t bringing in guys to upgrade great for stars like you guys do, they are replacing gaping holes that this whole portal thing has given them a life line for their past recruiting failures.

Jake Woodley was long rumored to be heading there too and they have another need at 197. That would be FIVE WEIGHTS they plugged with the portal.

That wouldn’t piss you off if you are a coach who worked your ass off and got the kids out of high school, taking that type of shortcut?

It would me.

And like I said that doesn’t count with your guys 3 portal lands because you actually really didn’t even need Messebrink but you just said why not and brought him on anyways. You guys bringing in 3 is just insult to injury considering the level you recruiting high school is on top of it.

This is coming mainly from a frustration I have with Ohio State’s refusal or lack of using the portal.

Many of our fans will say the black shirts must vote on any portal guy, and the culture is way more important than band aids etc and that drives me insane when the biggest dynasty since Gable’s Iowa’s teams literally just brought in 3 portal guys right after winning another title.

You never hesitated to bring in Max Dean when you had Beard already on the roster.. it works out.

We have a giant need for a 1 year stop gap at 125 and 184 and have allowed every top guy to head elsewhere.

Especially at 125…. Both DeAugustino and Caleb Williams would have been ideal, but we allowed them to go to Michigan and Nebraska respectively. Even 184 would be ideal for such a move like I said.

So yeah my frustration and my posting content relative has several layers to it, let’s just leave it at that lol.

I dunno, no offense intended here but as a fellow buckeye fan I don’t have bad feelings because we didn’t recruit the portal well enough. (If we landed Griffith, Truax, and Mesenbrink, for example, I would think the portal was awesome!). The portal is a crapshoot to begin with and it’s part of the game now like it or not. And we did make at least some effort going after Mesenbrink. according to Askren Mitch really liked his tOSU visit. However, it’s hard to compete with Penn State.

Personally, I really like the potential currently in the room and soon to be coming (Welsh, Rogotzsky, Davino, etc). I think recruit and develop is the sustainable strategy and it’s what Penn State has mostly done. They win next year without any of the transfers from this off season. Develop our guys and I’m sure options will exist down the road for a kid who can fill a hole and get a chance to
be on a contender.

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

Sis boom bah, quite possibly the greatest CTM reading ever!

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Great minds think alike! When I saw the Carnac reference I immediately thought of the clip you posted. A classic : )

 

[BFosr1]

I dunno, no offense intended here but as a fellow buckeye fan I don’t have bad feelings because we didn’t recruit the portal well enough. (If we landed Griffith, Truax, and Mesenbrink, for example, I would think the portal was awesome!). The portal is a crapshoot to begin with and it’s part of the game now like it or not. And we did make at least some effort going after Mesenbrink. according to Askren Mitch really liked his tOSU visit. However, it’s hard to compete with Penn State.

Personally, I really like the potential currently in the room and soon to be coming (Welsh, Rogotzsky, Davino, etc). I think recruit and develop is the sustainable strategy and it’s what Penn State has mostly done. They win next year without any of the transfers from this off season. Develop our guys and I’m sure options will exist down the road for a kid who can fill a hole and get a chance to
be on a contender.

Of course we like what we have coming down the pipe. That’s not the issue here.

I’m not interested in any Nagao or Mesenbrink types who are transfers with multiple years of eligibility left.

I too feel great about the future up and down the lineup at Ohio State and the overall splits between the weight classes respectively.

But we do have 2 weight classes as they sit right now that are not only question marks, but are 2 weight classes that won’t score at nationals…. In fact they could potentially may not even qualify.

It’s Tom Ryan’s job to make this team as competitive as it can be along its chartered course, and as things sit today… 125 and 184 are 2 spots that could DESPERATELY use a 1 year stop gap.

Both weight classes’ futures are bright, with Kilkeary coming in and Davino right behind him at 125, and Rogotzke coming in at 184.

But neither are ready to start for this team next year, especially from a logic standpoint relative to their developments.

Todays transfer portal is set up PERFECTLY for Ohio State to take advantage of filling these 2 spots.

That’s all I’m trying to convey.

And hypothetically, let’s say Ohio State landed DeAugustino and Feldcamp this year as their 1 year stop gaps, and let’s say one scored 10 points next year, and the other 13.

How many points are Kilkeary and Shumate scoring next year at nationals, if they even qualify?

That 20-23 point differential by just utilizing a few 1 year stop gaps is potentially enormous, and the difference often times of receiving a team trophy or not.

I’ll take the trophy and placing top 5 every day all day over finishing outside of top 10 and burning 2 kids redshirts who were nowhere ready I’m the process.

 

[McScoreley]

This might sound condescending (but you can't deny the facts) to the Ohio State guys but I do think Tom does a lot of the same things Cael does well ... but he doesn't develop near the same level as Cael.

By all counts (to an outsider), the culture at Ohio State is great. There is a reason Tom can continue to get the best recruits (many times guys Cael is all in for) There is a reason they hang onto Nic Bouzakis despite him being offered money elsewhere (cough cough)

His previous "big class" of like Mattox, Decatur, Kinner didn't pan out but I think it's more than likely this current crop does and Ohio State missing a trophy won't happen very often ever again. In 2018, they scored 134.5 (before Snyder threw the headgear since he knew it didn't matter) ... hard to argue that won't win in most years. That's the model he is going for, build a strong team of your own guys and where there is a need, you can fill in the portal later with kids who fit in well culturally who just want in and seek you out.

Also, losing Snyder from the RTC sucked (since it cost them Kerkvliet as well) but them not building it back up is kind of a head scratcher. That's a huge advantage Michigan has over them right now.

 

[82bordeaux]

This might sound condescending (but you can't deny the facts) to the Ohio State guys but I do think Tom does a lot of the same things Cael does well ... but he doesn't develop near the same level as Cael.

By all counts (to an outsider), the culture at Ohio State is great. There is a reason Tom can continue to get the best recruits (many times guys Cael is all in for) There is a reason they hang onto Nic Bouzakis despite him being offered money elsewhere (cough cough)

His previous "big class" of like Mattox, Decatur, Kinner didn't pan out but I think it's more than likely this current crop does and Ohio State missing a trophy won't happen very often ever again. In 2018, they scored 134.5 (before Snyder threw the headgear since he knew it didn't matter) ... hard to argue that won't win in most years. That's the model he is going for, build a strong team of your own guys and where there is a need, you can fill in the portal later with kids who fit in well culturally who just want in and seek you out.

Also, losing Snyder from the RTC sucked (since it cost them Kerkvliet as well) but them not building it back up is kind of a head scratcher. That's a huge advantage Michigan has over them right now.

And both tOSU and UM are absolute Iowa killers.

 

[jack66]

Speaking of Michigan…. Michigan’s 149 Chance Lamer in the portal.

This one is a shock to everyone.

There is no one on Michigan’s roster who was taking his spot, and Michigan is loading up.

It’s fishy enough to almost feel like they have a bigger move in the pike and Lamer is getting out quickly to explore his options.

If not Michigan will roll with 149 Fidel Mayora. Maybe this is where Voinovich is headed? Hate to speculate but something is up here. I still think Voinovich left Stillwater because their Rutgers transfer Sammy Alvarez is bumping up to 149.

Could be that the kids who are already in the room are offended by the transfers getting a big payday to come in.

I'm just speculating here, but eventually, we're going to see a backlash from kids who have been sweating the room for 2-4 years and getting peanuts.

 

[SCub]

Anyone know why the middle Ferrari isn’t listed on Iowa official roster, nor Wrestlestat? The latter is pretty quick to keep up with that stuff and I thought it was a done deal. No?

 

[zzs006]

3 Oklahoma kids enter the portal in Joey Cruz, Anthony Madrigal, and Wyatt Henson. 3 pretty tough kids. I wonder how many Oklahoma are going to lose with the new head coach now in place

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

Anyone know why the middle Ferrari isn’t listed on Iowa official roster, nor Wrestlestat? The latter is pretty quick to keep up with that stuff and I thought it was a done deal. No?

I don’t think he’s enrolled yet

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

There goes Penn State again, ruining the sport….

 

[PSUer1989]

There goes Penn State again, ruining the sport….

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Yuck, I was really hoping for Rutgers to land him after missing on the others

 

[PSU Mike]

They really should change the transfer count and go to an all-dual format so we can just have a total fantasy league.

 

[El-Jefe]

There goes Penn State again, ruining the sport….

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Michigan now 4th in returning points, 0.5 ahead of Iowa. (But subtract 4.0 pts if Lamer leaves.)

 

[El-Jefe]

 

[5q]

Mineo is relentless with this stuff.

 

[donboy6499]

Mineo is relentless with this stuff.

 

[Split shot]

Mineo is relentless with this stuff.

Personally, I very much enjoy Mineo's tweets as they pertain to Iowa. Something that feels this good is likely unhealthy.

 

[El-Jefe]

Biggest winner of the Griffith transfer: Cam Amine no longer has to have Carter remind him of his Uncle Mike's mouth.

 

[Love the lions]

It won't be until 2025 until COVID years are over since anyone who was a freshman that year basically starts their eligibility again at 2022 (since 2021 didn't count) including our own Carter Starocci. Candidly, 2021 not counting was pretty stupid overall.

The caveat should have been the year counts if NCAAs happens and Ivy Leaguers were allowed to apply for the year back. Similarly, 2020 seniors should have been allowed to return in 2021.

None of this was challenging (maybe on the coaches since scholarships are a thing) but COVID was mishandled in the worst way.

The way Covid was handled screwed up much more than just the college wrestling hierarchy. We will live with the unintended consequences and the collateral damage for years to come. Don’t get me started.

 

[jack66]

Wrestlers are avoiding Iowa City like it's the plague.

 

[jack66]

I don’t think he’s enrolled yet

Does that matter with Wrestle Stat? They have all our transfers and incoming Fr listed already.

 

[Ja1339]

Wrestlers are avoiding Iowa City like it's the plague.

I guess competing in the wrestling Mecca in front of the most passionate and knowledgeable fans in the world just ain’t what it’s cracked up to be 🤔

 

[GogglesPaizano]

A total free, open and unrestricted transfer program, coupled with NIL is a bad thing IMO that will in time only get worse due to inintended and unforseen consequences. This year PSU got the blue bird scenario where two positions of need were addressed with hammers. Yet, even as a PSU fan and beneficiary, I still don't like the current model.

The big negative - I see small programs that invest in and strike gold with a kid, getting hurt the worst, and eventually we may see the loss of more smaller programs has as a result.

On the positive side - I definitely like having the ability for a kid to correct a poor decision made when they were 18.

Noone should be trapped, especially 4-star kids at Alabama that find themselves 4th on the depth chart. That highlights a significant factor not often discussed. Portal+NIL is not the same animal across all sports.
Football with 85 scholys create a vastly different set of circumstances for both the kids and to the programs as compared to wrestling with 9.9. In football to talent can get trapped pretty easily, and replaced almost as easily every year. With wrestling each to recruit is a multi year investment not easily replaced.

I think allowing only a single free transfer per kid is one restriction that is needed. Thereafter a second transfer comes with it both the loss of one year of eligibility and a one year waiting period.

This will address the few who may shop for the highest NIL bidder each season with no allegiances, and in theory it might make it a bit harder for the big programs like PSU to easily fill gaps late in the process.

The thought of a transfer cap may help level the playing field. What if all programs are limited to accepting only 2 transfers on the squad at a time max? For PSU, with Kerk on hand we can only accept one more? All of the top programs would need to be exceedingly careful with how and to whom they alllocate those two slots.

NQ and below AA portal kids might find the best landing spot is another small program. None of the biggest programs will be as eager to grab a #20 kid if that means one of their two slots is gone as long as he has eligibility. I guess this would also mean programs need the ability to withdrawal the offers or cut transfers each season.

 

[jack66]

Rutgers' board reporting that Michigan offered 300K.

Of course, I have no idea if this is true, but it does lead me to wonder how much UM is willing to pay one-year mercenaries.

Does 2nd place offer enough return on the dollar?

 

[mcpat]

I think allowing only a single free transfer per kid is one restriction that is needed. Thereafter a second transfer comes with it both the loss of one year of eligibility and a one year waiting period.

I think:

That’s kind of already in play. You could always transfer without losing a year if you graduated. You could always transfer without losing a year if you weren’t on scholarship. You could always transfer without losing a year if you went down in divisions. Etc.

All they added was a transfer for any reason (without losing a year) if it is your first transfer. Before, you just needed a waiver and it was often granted. A 2nd transfer loses a year of eligibility if it’s not one of the few exemptions.

 

[Rocky_Smith]

Wrestlers are avoiding Iowa City like it's the plague.

I’ll say it. What’s going on in Iowa City?

 

[dicemen99]

Does that matter with Wrestle Stat? They have all our transfers and incoming Fr listed already.

It's @andegre 's personal protest against the Ferraris. Not all Hawk fans are asshats.

 

[mcpat]

I’m happy for every one of Michigan’s transfers. They all used wrestling to (presumably) help pay for bachelor’s degrees from Northwestern or Stanford and now they are all using wrestling to (presumably) help pay for graduate school at Ann Arbor. They might even be making some good money off of wrestling while getting a top-notch education. That’s called winning.

 

[tullfan68]

I’ll say it. What’s going on in Iowa City?

TnT thats what!!LOL

 

[tullfan68]

Griffith to michigan am I hearing any BOOMS from rutgers coach?LOL

 

[RB-Old]

I'm all for NIL deals but there should probably be a cap on them. It almost certainly won't be in wrestling but a football or basketball player is going to end up making $10 million+ at some point. If that happens it will all but end the idea of being a student athlete.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I’m happy for every one of Michigan’s transfers. They all used wrestling to (presumably) help pay for bachelor’s degrees from Northwestern or Stanford and now they are all using wrestling to (presumably) help pay for graduate school at Ann Arbor. They might even be making some good money off of wrestling while getting a top-notch education. That’s called winning.

That Um team is going to be old. I wouldn’t be surprised if 2 out of those 4 are hobbling by season’s end.

 

[mcpat]

That Um team is going to be old. I wouldn’t be surprised if 2 out of those 4 are hobbling by season’s end.

Good point.

 

[Cstroke]

That Um team is going to be old. I wouldn’t be surprised if 2 out of those 4 are hobbling by season’s end.

Sounds familiar almost like we’ve seen it before.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

I'm all for NIL deals but there should probably be a cap on them. It almost certainly won't be in wrestling but a football or basketball player is going to end up making $10 million+ at some point. If that happens it will all but end the idea of being a student athlete.

Not legal

 

[PSUer1989]

I’m happy for every one of Michigan’s transfers. They all used wrestling to (presumably) help pay for bachelor’s degrees from Northwestern or Stanford and now they are all using wrestling to (presumably) help pay for graduate school at Ann Arbor. They might even be making some good money off of wrestling while getting a top-notch education. That’s called winning.

😉😉