2021-2023 Transfer Portal news
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You can always hate in Michigan here- I fully approve of all Michigan hate😉
So.. 2nd place?
Edit: I see Iowa in his top 3. If he goes to Iowa I hope he……. flunks out
Might be a possibility. I’m sure Iowa’s curriculum is much more challenging than Stanford’s.
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Griffith will be wrestling next year @ 174 lbs. for .....................Michigan. Carnac the Magnificent has spoken
Sis boom bah, quite possibly the greatest CTM reading ever!
The video in this tweet helps give some perspective to Aaron Nagao’s background
LOL you don't think the bucks have a ton of money,you better think again!but as usual no one has any proof any schools are cheating or giving out tons of money!
Good luck, had them both done after 27 years of umpiring. You will have wished you did it sooner.
Your reading comprehension is frightening.
Ryan went all in with the 2022 class and ended up with a great class. The good news is he has a lot of studs he can try to develop into a championship team. The bad news is he has little wiggle room for transfers.
But let's not pretend that he hasn't used the transfer portal to improve his team. McKenna and Orndorff were a couple of the 1st AAs to transfer to a new school.
Who was pretending? I clearly said I had nothing against it. But you aren’t comparing apples to apples here either. There isn’t a team in the country who hasn’t accepted a transfer or 2 in the years past. But comparing that to today’s NIL transfer portal is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT animal.
Agree to disagree. You always need to recruit first and foremost always and Tom Ryan is basically 1b in that department with Cael. Hoping for big names to hit the portal normally isn't sustainable. COVID basically put a lot of kids on the market that normally wouldn't be. Common theme is a lot of those kids are from hard to get into graduate schools like NW or Stanford. Tamper and pay doesn't seem like it'll be successful usually. Develop a good team, culture and kids will seek to fill the holes on your team (not unlike McKenna at OSU)
McSorley I absolutely agree with you, what I said was exaggeratory but it is a thing I guess though that can be frustrating for the coach’s who put all the time and reap the success of high school recruiting, then wait 2 years for them to be ready, and then once ready to unleash them your competitor(s) just go out and replace half their lineup for top guys to level the playing field you worked so hard for to create.
If Michigan gets Griffin that will be FOUR AA type transfers they plugged in.
The fact they have 4 open spots like that shows they didn’t recruit well to get to that point. They aren’t bringing in guys to upgrade great for stars like you guys do, they are replacing gaping holes that this whole portal thing has given them a life line for their past recruiting failures.
Jake Woodley was long rumored to be heading there too and they have another need at 197. That would be FIVE WEIGHTS they plugged with the portal.
That wouldn’t piss you off if you are a coach who worked your ass off and got the kids out of high school, taking that type of shortcut?
It would me.
And like I said that doesn’t count with your guys 3 portal lands because you actually really didn’t even need Messebrink but you just said why not and brought him on anyways. You guys bringing in 3 is just insult to injury considering the level you recruiting high school is on top of it.
This is coming mainly from a frustration I have with Ohio State’s refusal or lack of using the portal.
Many of our fans will say the black shirts must vote on any portal guy, and the culture is way more important than band aids etc and that drives me insane when the biggest dynasty since Gable’s Iowa’s teams literally just brought in 3 portal guys right after winning another title.
You never hesitated to bring in Max Dean when you had Beard already on the roster.. it works out.
We have a giant need for a 1 year stop gap at 125 and 184 and have allowed every top guy to head elsewhere.
Especially at 125…. Both DeAugustino and Caleb Williams would have been ideal, but we allowed them to go to Michigan and Nebraska respectively. Even 184 would be ideal for such a move like I said.
So yeah my frustration and my posting content relative has several layers to it, let’s just leave it at that lol.
If Michigan gets Griffin that will be FOUR AA type transfers they plugged in.
The fact they have 4 open spots like that shows they didn’t recruit well to get to that point. They aren’t bringing in guys to upgrade great for stars like you guys do, they are replacing gaping holes that this whole portal thing has given them a life line for their past recruiting failures.
Jake Woodley was long rumored to be heading there too and they have another need at 197. That would be FIVE WEIGHTS they plugged with the portal.
That wouldn’t piss you off if you are a coach who worked your ass off and got the kids out of high school, taking that type of shortcut?
It would me.
And like I said that doesn’t count with your guys 3 portal lands because you actually really didn’t even need Messebrink but you just said why not and brought him on anyways. You guys bringing in 3 is just insult to injury considering the level you recruiting high school is on top of it.
This is coming mainly from a frustration I have with Ohio State’s refusal or lack of using the portal.
Many of our fans will say the black shirts must vote on any portal guy, and the culture is way more important than band aids etc and that drives me insane when the biggest dynasty since Gable’s Iowa’s teams literally just brought in 3 portal guys right after winning another title.
You never hesitated to bring in Max Dean when you had Beard already on the roster.. it works out.
We have a giant need for a 1 year stop gap at 125 and 184 and have allowed every top guy to head elsewhere.
Especially at 125…. Both DeAugustino and Caleb Williams would have been ideal, but we allowed them to go to Michigan and Nebraska respectively. Even 184 would be ideal for such a move like I said.
So yeah my frustration and my posting content relative has several layers to it, let’s just leave it at that lol.
The guys Cael brought in sought out Penn State. Having a dynasty level dominant program puts the transfer portal on easy mode. The picture of Truax as a kid from ten years ago with a Penn State wrestling dynasty t-shirt on should scare the shit out of the other top programs. The top kids in high school and college now have grown up with nothing but complete dominance by PSU, and they all look at wrestling for PSU as the greatest privilege in the sport. It’s going to be a tough cycle to break in both recruiting and transfers because it’s self-reinforcing the longer this run goes on.
An advantage for Michigan is their highly ranked graduate school. They’re going to be at or near the top of the list for graduate transfers. I believe DeAugustino, Cannon and Davison were all graduate transfers.
Not to be snide but your frustration seems to be that Ohio State lacks an upper echelon Grad school. As @mcpat stated michigans transfers are all grad school transfers which is different than a regular transfer such as Nagao or Messenbrink. I am shocked myself Ohio state doesn’t bring in more portal transfers but in reality some of these kids (not all) have freestyle aspirations as well and don’t get the training partners they do anywhere else other than NLWC or cliff keen so that is another item as well. Ultimately the free covid year is still having its repercussions since most of the transfer would have likely been done anyways
I think Raccoon Alley is the official name of a certain anatomical feature of a certain GIA poster.
(different tunnel)
Alvarez I bet is moving up which is why Voinovich is looking elsewhere. Alvarez didn’t transfer all the way out there to sit the bench.
But why are they all such douche bags?
Short story; I was at a wedding reception as arm candy for my attorney wife. We were unfortunately seated at a table with a young attorney that was a known butt-hole. I know the kid's father. He went to Michigan for a semester and then transfered to Behrend. He was blathering on about being a wolverine and how they are superior to every other school that ever existed.
Finally I could take it no more and I blurted out, "You're not a wolverine, you're a Behrend Cub. You only went to Michigan for a semester. You graduated from Behrend. I think 6 people spit their drinks out simultaneously. Oh, the magic of bourbon.
The transfer portal is here to stay (duh)! The power has shifted in a good way and there is nothing the NCAA can or will do about it. It is the new way and those who establish strong commercial relationships between consumers and athletes will build the best teams. Along the way, athletes will benefit and the coaches & administrators will still make the “big bucks”. Along the way, rumors will fly and accusations will be made …… but, the portal system will endure …. until the next big thing comes along …. or the entire college sports empire devolves into a pure minor league for the pros! Bye bye Central Michigan, Rider, and all the other universities who can’t figure it out!
Having worked in DC, Chicago and Seattle (yeah, I know, unless you’re in NYC shut up Mike), I can offer this observation. NO alumni base is quicker to point out where they went to school when they sense they’re losing ground in an argument. In fact I’ll go so far to say they beat the next handful of schools, combined. “Oh yeah, well I went to Michigan!” I just laugh and turn away.
The thing to remember with michigan is that all 4 of those guys are GRAD transfers. This is happening because of the extra covid year. They are out academic options at their current spot. Michigan just capitalized on the situation.
It sounds to me like BFors1’s frustration is more with Tom Ryan’s inability to adjust to the current NCAA wrestling landscape. Ryan is an excellent recruiter. The clear #2 recruiter (insert team recruiting titles joke).
As has been pointed out, recruiting is the correct way to build a program. That doesn’t mean you just ignore the portal. There is no good reason why OSU isn’t involved on a few portal guys. Especially when all we heard a year ago was how OSU was the clear NIL leader. How NIL cost PSU recruits ect.
The Michigan stuff will work itself out. Wrestlers mostly care about development. Michigan has 11 holes in a 10 man lineup because their development sucks. A few mid level AA Covid year transfers will only amplify the issue. I could see why an OSU fan would find it all annoying, so that brings me joy lol.
As has been pointed out, recruiting is the correct way to build a program. That doesn’t mean you just ignore the portal. There is no good reason why OSU isn’t involved on a few portal guys. Especially when all we heard a year ago was how OSU was the clear NIL leader. How NIL cost PSU recruits ect.
The Michigan stuff will work itself out. Wrestlers mostly care about development. Michigan has 11 holes in a 10 man lineup because their development sucks. A few mid level AA Covid year transfers will only amplify the issue. I could see why an OSU fan would find it all annoying, so that brings me joy lol.
Beloglazov is another major advantage for Michigan, at least to those who wish to continue with freestyle.
Ohio State's RTC lost its way when Rosselli and then Snyder and Dlagnev left. If their website is accurate, they have more RTC coaches than athletes (even after subtracting the varsity coaches who also coach the RTC). If Ryan wants to compete for transfers, that would be a good place to start.
Or just say that's one of the best schools in the mid-west, and just look at there expression. Priceless.
Spot on. Our future depends on this dynamic remaining in place. We will remain the Mecca for all aspiring World Champions.
I think that’s the issue. You need to read what’s on the actual lines and not what’s in between them…
Yep. 141 at Rutgers didn't work so well from a weight management standpoint. Makes sense for him to move to 149.
Clarion All American 184 pounder Will Feldcamp has just entered the portal.
This would be about as ideal a fit there is from the portal to add to Ohio State like I’ve been mentioning both from a fit and situational standpoint.
That besides a 1 year 125 pound stop gap too potentially as well.
Feldcamp has just 1 year left, so his timeline along with Ohio State’s in conjunction wouldn’t interfere with any long term plans.
He finished 7th this past March and was an All American. He could give the Bucks a potential All American, and a returning one for sure, at a weight they will score little to no points at nationals currently if they end up going with Seth Shumate.
Shumate at this point (through the process of elimination) makes the only sense who would slot there next season. Sending true freshman Ryder Rogotzke into the fire as a true freshman on the other hand wouldn’t make a whole lot ton of sense contrarily.
So in saying all this, I will be surprised to hear Ohio State even mentioned relative.
Like I’ve been saying in this thread, we just aren’t utilizing the portal for whatever reasons.
This kid however is the perfect example to who was available Ohio State without question could have used, barring he heads elsewhere.
This would be about as ideal a fit there is from the portal to add to Ohio State like I’ve been mentioning both from a fit and situational standpoint.
That besides a 1 year 125 pound stop gap too potentially as well.
Feldcamp has just 1 year left, so his timeline along with Ohio State’s in conjunction wouldn’t interfere with any long term plans.
He finished 7th this past March and was an All American. He could give the Bucks a potential All American, and a returning one for sure, at a weight they will score little to no points at nationals currently if they end up going with Seth Shumate.
Shumate at this point (through the process of elimination) makes the only sense who would slot there next season. Sending true freshman Ryder Rogotzke into the fire as a true freshman on the other hand wouldn’t make a whole lot ton of sense contrarily.
So in saying all this, I will be surprised to hear Ohio State even mentioned relative.
Like I’ve been saying in this thread, we just aren’t utilizing the portal for whatever reasons.
This kid however is the perfect example to who was available Ohio State without question could have used, barring he heads elsewhere.
It won't be until 2025 until COVID years are over since anyone who was a freshman that year basically starts their eligibility again at 2022 (since 2021 didn't count) including our own Carter Starocci. Candidly, 2021 not counting was pretty stupid overall.
The caveat should have been the year counts if NCAAs happens and Ivy Leaguers were allowed to apply for the year back. Similarly, 2020 seniors should have been allowed to return in 2021.
None of this was challenging (maybe on the coaches since scholarships are a thing) but COVID was mishandled in the worst way.
The caveat should have been the year counts if NCAAs happens and Ivy Leaguers were allowed to apply for the year back. Similarly, 2020 seniors should have been allowed to return in 2021.
None of this was challenging (maybe on the coaches since scholarships are a thing) but COVID was mishandled in the worst way.
No shade to PA’s state school system, but graduate transfers from Northwestern might be easier acceptances into Michigan than from Clarion. So your Bucknuts have a shot, I would think.
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