2024-25 PSU Lineup (The Dynasty Continues)

[SlipperyPete12]

According to Track, Connor Mirasola is certified at 285 now, and there may be some other additions to the list that I haven't noticed.

All that means is on certification day Connor weighed above 197 pounds, therefore, he is currently certified for the 285 pound weight class. But, that doesn't mean he is locked in to the 285 weight class, it just means he has to lose some weight before being able to wrestle at 197.

 

[FatWoodchuck]

I have an account with them but can't find any weight certs, how do you find them? TIA.

 

[PSUflyfisher]

I have an account with them but can't find any weight certs, how do you find them? TIA.

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[dicemen99]

According to Track, Connor Mirasola is certified at 285 now, and there may be some other additions to the list that I haven't noticed.

Again, just for those new to the thread, this means he weighed in over 197.1 for certs. Likely means 197 is his weight, not 285.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

According to Track, Connor Mirasola is certified at 285 now, and there may be some other additions to the list that I haven't noticed.

I think we can't read too much into this just yet for sure. Doesn't certify at 285 simply mean he is above the threshold for 1.5% weight loss per week back down to weighing 197, not that he is committed to being a Heavy. As he is redshirting it shouldn't be too much of a surprise, however if he plans on wrestling any of the 5 RSF matches or at opens at 197, he will need to start getting closer over the next month.

That qualifier aside and not to beat a dead horse, especially a full year in advance... Looking at the log jam, I would be the least shocked guy on here to see Barr stay at 197 next year and Conner move up. I have already speculated on this possibility from multiple perspectives including; that I believe head to head at 197 Barr beats him. ;-)

Barr back down to 184 also creates lineup challenges. Several are unavoidable no matter what is done, even with redshirts.

I think if Barr moves up, this may help for Ryder coming in and I am struggling with finding any good solution for Seally. Could Levi even balloon up to 184 in 2026 and Ryder goes 174, or visa versa, anything is possible, but Barr coming back down just seems to complicate matters.

Up top, we clearly have a gap post Kerk with no ' True Heavy' in the recruiting pipeline. I see Cole as more of a stop gap low AA at the very best, and quite honestly even if Connor were to move up I am not sure he would do much better unless he can eat enough steak to get over 230 lbs while maintaining his athleticism.

 

[McScoreley]

Ryder said before he prefers 184 but he would go 174 for the team. He absolutely has the strength for 184. Heck, he probably does for 197 lol.

 

[El-Jefe]

According to Track, Connor Mirasola is certified at 285 now, and there may be some other additions to the list that I haven't noticed.

He didn't certify at 285. He weighed in above 197 on certification day. Not the same thing.

 

[Random4598375]

I think we can't read too much into this just yet for sure. Doesn't certify at 285 simply mean he is above the threshold for 1.5% weight loss per week back down to weighing 197, not that he is committed to being a Heavy. As he is redshirting it shouldn't be too much of a surprise, however if he plans on wrestling any of the 5 RSF matches or at opens at 197, he will need to start getting closer over the next month.

That qualifier aside and not to beat a dead horse, especially a full year in advance... Looking at the log jam, I would be the least shocked guy on here to see Barr stay at 197 next year and Conner move up. I have already speculated on this possibility from multiple perspectives including; that I believe head to head at 197 Barr beats him. ;-)

Barr back down to 184 also creates lineup challenges. Several are unavoidable no matter what is done, even with redshirts.

I think if Barr moves up, this may help for Ryder coming in and I am struggling with finding any good solution for Seally. Could Levi even balloon up to 184 in 2026 and Ryder goes 174, or visa versa, anything is possible, but Barr coming back down just seems to complicate matters.

Up top, we clearly have a gap post Kerk with no ' True Heavy' in the recruiting pipeline. I see Cole as more of a stop gap low AA at the very best, and quite honestly even if Connor were to move up I am not sure he would do much better unless he can eat enough steak to get over 230 lbs while maintaining his athleticism.

My thought on the logjam was that Ryder and Sealey RS this year. Next year after Carter leaves, Connor/Cole go 197/HWT, and Barr drops down and Barr and Ryder wrestle-off for 184 (and Sealey on the bench for one more year). For 26-27, Sealey takes Levi's spot at 174, Barr/Ryder at 184 (with the loser of those two from the previous year the odd man out for the portal), and Connor/Cole again at the top of the lineup. After MM leaves, Duke moves in to 165.

My intuition is that Ryder beats out Barr and Barr leaves, but that's just a guess and I don't want to argue about it. They're both elite wrestlers and I wouldn't be shocked by either one winning the spot.

 

[SlipperyPete12]

 

[GogglesPaizano]

My intuition is that Ryder beats out Barr and Barr leaves, but that's just a guess and I don't want to argue about it. They're both elite wrestlers and I wouldn't be shocked by either one winning the spot.

Could very well be. My intuition is Barr stays up and beats Marisola for 197 ;-).

We are probably both wrong, but one thing is true, from 149 up, there is a game of musical chairs with at least two more runners than chairs.

In this time of NIL and the portal, a kid waiting on the wings 2 years is possible, but clearly less likely than any other time in Cael's tenure.

 

[SCub]

Curious - what is the actual process for getting weight certified. Do they get weighed in State College? Anybody oversee it? Certified scale? Weekly?

 

[El-Jefe]

Curious - what is the actual process for getting weight certified. Do they get weighed in State College? Anybody oversee it? Certified scale? Weekly?

Yes, it requires supervision.

Cert Day process is basically:
1. Drink water until able to pee a hole thru a brick wall
2. Urinalysis -- measure specific gravity to determine hydration. If not sufficiently hydrated, then certification is canceled and must be rescheduled.
3. Weigh-in + body fat check
4. Calculate each wrestler's minimum weight for the season. IIRC the calc is based upon 5% body fat and some hydration level. Generally it's rounded up to the nearest weight class (because what's the point in listing a minimum weight = 153 lb?).

For most guys, certification is on campus and in the preseason. It can be at any point in the season, but wrestlers cannot compete until certified. Typically the guys who certify in-season are recovering from injury and not maintaining their weight as closely.

After certification, wrestlers are allowed to lose max 1.5% body weight per week, to be measured at each official weigh-in. Frequency of weigh-in is not specified -- they only need to weigh in if competing.

Note that it's 1.5% per week from the last weigh-in. Meaning if you weighed 0.5% less today than last week, next week you can't weigh 2.5% less than today for an average of 1.5% per week. You still can only go down 1.5% next week vs. today.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

I recently certified at Heavy and my wife says I can not gain more than 1.5% per week during the holidays. I find that 'cut' brutal.

 

[Pitchfork Rebel]

Yes, it requires supervision.

Cert Day process is basically:
1. Drink water until able to pee a hole thru a brick wall
2. Urinalysis -- measure specific gravity to determine hydration. If not sufficiently hydrated, then certification is canceled and must be rescheduled.
3. Weigh-in + body fat check
4. Calculate each wrestler's minimum weight for the season. IIRC the calc is based upon 5% body fat and some hydration level. Generally it's rounded up to the nearest weight class (because what's the point in listing a minimum weight = 153 lb?).

For most guys, certification is on campus and in the preseason. It can be at any point in the season, but wrestlers cannot compete until certified. Typically the guys who certify in-season are recovering from injury and not maintaining their weight as closely.

After certification, wrestlers are allowed to lose max 1.5% body weight per week, to be measured at each official weigh-in. Frequency of weigh-in is not specified -- they only need to weigh in if competing.

Note that it's 1.5% per week from the last weigh-in. Meaning if you weighed 0.5% less today than last week, next week you can't weigh 2.5% less than today for an average of 1.5% per week. You still can only go down 1.5% next week vs. to

I recently certified at Heavy and my wife says I can not gain more than 1.5% per week during the holidays. I find that 'cut' brutal.

I'm never going to see 197 again, either. Not until the worms have their way.

 

[Pitteefool]

I recently certified at Heavy and my wife says I can not gain more than 1.5% per week during the holidays. I find that 'cut' brutal.

I often remind my wife that I still have a six pack. It just hidden beneath the keg

 

[PSU Fan in TN]

Could very well be. My intuition is Barr stays up and beats Marisola for 197 ;-).

We are probably both wrong, but one thing is true, from 149 up, there is a game of musical chairs with at least two more runners than chairs.

In this time of NIL and the portal, a kid waiting on the wings 2 years is possible, but clearly less likely than any other time in Cael's tenure.

Are any of the incoming freshmen taking a grey shirt? Are they all listed in the student directory (which I understand may suggest if a grey shirt is or is not being taken)?

 

[dicemen99]

Are any of the incoming freshmen taking a grey shirt? Are they all listed in the student directory (which I understand may suggest if a grey shirt is or is not being taken)?

In the student directory
Nasdeo
Lilledahl
Weiss
H. Cunningham
Sealey
Watson
Ryder
Both Mirasolas
Bundy

All are listed as undergrads at University Park.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

The worst part of Sept-Oct is not having Spyker in the room critiquing every practice, what Cael is teaching, who is beating whom, who is really at every weight....

We need a new spy on the inside, even if whatever is written is total made up bullshit.

Ahhh, good times, good times.

 

[86PSUPaul]

The worst part of Sept-Oct is not having Spyker in the room critiquing every practice, what Cael is teaching, who is beating whom, who is really at every weight....

We need a new spy on the inside, even if whatever is written is total made up bullshit.

Ahhh, good times, good times.

Well heck, you ought to be able to make something up…. Lol, nothing personal

 

[Delcolion915]

I think by now we all know what we need this year:
Haircuts at George's Barbershop
Fists to the back
8 scoring wrestlers
Full court press
Somebody to beat Nico in the room

 

[Random4598375]

Well heck, you ought to be able to make something up…. Lol, nothing personal

We have video of Starocci and Barr doing a little foxtrot or something. Isn't that enough?

 

[nerfstate]

In Bo & Ant's latest Vodcast, they talk the lineup some--the graphic they show at the beginning has things shuffled a bit from popular opinion here. Listening to the discussion now--they also talked about Mocco a little, but have yet to stop talking about MMA in that chapter so far, lol.

 

[Sleepylion]

I think by now we all know what we need this year:
Haircuts at George's Barbershop
Fists to the back
8 scoring wrestlers
Full court press
Somebody to beat Nico in the room

And someone better go for the gusto!

 

[dicemen99]

In Bo & Ant's latest Vodcast, they talk the lineup some--the graphic they show at the beginning has things shuffled a bit from popular opinion here. Listening to the discussion now--they also talked about Mocco a little, but have yet to stop talking about MMA in that chapter so far, lol.

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The only thing I take from that graphic is that Bo is fully focused on his upcoming fight.

 

[FatWoodchuck]

Well heck, you ought to be able to make something up…. Lol, nothing personal

Shots fired! Lol

His imagination I do not hate!

 

[NittanyLion84]

New Lineup Details Emerge for 2024, with Greg Pickel and Thomas Frank Carr

 

[The Japanese Whizzer]

In the student directory
Nasdeo
Lilledahl
Weiss
H. Cunningham
Sealey
Watson
Ryder
Both Mirasolas
Bundy

All are listed as undergrads at University Park.

This is a big freshman class. From the spreadsheet, PSU will have 33 wrestlers rostered next year. With the new NCAA scholarship and roster limits, 3 will have to be relegated without transfers.

 

[Pennstate1985]

This is a big freshman class. From the spreadsheet, PSU will have 33 wrestlers rostered next year. With the new NCAA scholarship and roster limits, 3 will have to be relegated without transfers.

I thought the new roster limits started in 2025-26. No?

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

This is a big freshman class. From the spreadsheet, PSU will have 33 wrestlers rostered next year. With the new NCAA scholarship and roster limits, 3 will have to be relegated without transfers.

Is there really a hard roster limit, or have scholarships become only limited by what an athletic department can afford, up to a max of 30?

Can some send a link to this new 'rule' or 'codified agreement' from a fully settled lawsuit?

Meanwhile I will Google away.

Follow-up: I've seen a maximum 30 roster and allowed full scholarships for all rostered in descriptions, but still looking for the definitive settlement. Said starts 2025-26.

Might still be on hold: https://www.espn.com/college-sports...-v-ncaa-settlement-hold-judge-urges-revisions

Final approval hearing unlikely to occur before early next year.

 

[RubberKneeMcGee]

Facundo to 157 and Kasak takes a shirt?

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Dejavu.

 

[Nitlion1986]

If he wrestles 157 his stamina will resemble that of Rasheed the year Rasheed tried wrestling 165. He weighs 180 and has no fat.
I get Track has him at 165, but short of cutting off limbs it isn't happening.

Kasak is going to be 157 pounder.

 

[Delcolion915]

If he wrestles 157 his stamina will resemble that of Rasheed the year Rasheed tried wrestling 165. He weighs 180 and has no fat.
I get Track has him at 165, but short of cutting off limbs it isn't happening.

Kasak is going to be 157 pounder.

I'll wait for Cael. Sorry...

 

[Nitlion1986]

I'll wait for Cael. Sorry...

Knock yourself out. Cael isn't going to tell you anything.

Just out of curiosity. If you are just waiting for Cael to call you up and tell you why bother hanging here?

 

[Sleepylion]

Knock yourself out. Cael isn't going to tell you anything.

Just out of curiosity. If you are just waiting for Cael to call you up and tell you why bother hanging here?

Cael always announced the lineup... the day of the meet. 😉
Sometimes even then he keeps us guessing.

 

[JOESTROSSER]

I can't see Facundo down at 157, but what do I know.

 

[matter7172]

I can't see Facundo down at 157, but what do I know.

He never looked like a big 165 to me, so 157 doesn't seem impossible in my mind. We'll see, I guess.

 

[JOESTROSSER]

He never looked like a big 165 to me, so 157 doesn't seem impossible in my mind. We'll see, I guess.

If he can comfortably get there then why not. 165 and 174 are locked in. I guess Kasak could redshirt, but not his plan. An embarrassment of riches.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

I can't see Facundo down at 157, but what do I know.

Well I guess we all have already seen the pictures.

Will he be effective at that weight? My suspicion is a pretty strong no, but it seems he really didn't have a better option. Levi must have fairly early on decided a redshirt was not on the table. Kasak may shirt, but I lean strong for Kasak in a wrestleoff, due in a large part to that very big cut.

 

[Random4598375]

Well I guess we all have already seen the pictures.

Will he be effective at that weight? My suspicion is a pretty strong no, but it seems he really didn't have a better option. Levi must have fairly early on decided a redshirt was not on the table. Kasak may shirt, but I lean strong for Kasak in a wrestleoff, due in a large part to that very big cut.

This is where I stand as well. If Facundo can make 157, then have at it and may the best man win. I get that Kasak looks like the easiest path to a starting spot between him, MM, Levi. or Starocci (where the other three are favorites to at least make the finals if not win it all), but I share your opinion that the cut would give a full feed Kasak the advantage in a wrestleoff, but we'll see, I guess. Getting the most out of guys by not subjecting them to strength-sapping cuts is one of the key parts of Cael's revolution of the sport.