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2024-25 PSU Lineup (The Dynasty Continues)

I was kind of lost following this until I realized I have that poster on Ignore, so I never saw the original post. In general I avoid using the Ignore feature, but sometimes it just seems the prudent thing to do : )
I'm sooo with you. Used to hate that feature--thought it provided me an unclean user experience, in which I was unable to read the detritus that respected others were responding to.

But I've changed my mind. Now when I see "you are ignoring posts from this user", it feels really good. Like my self telling myself: "self! Trust thyself--ain't nothing there you need to read."
 
Greg Pickel on Who Will Win the Starting Spot Battles?

Say, have any of my friends viewed this vid, such that they'd be willing to share their takes on the vid takery?

I often find meta-takery from respected commenters far superior in the Entertainment Dept, to the content produced by content producers.
 
Say, have any of my friends viewed this vid, such that they'd be willing to share their takes on the vid takery?

I often find meta-takery from respected commenters far superior in the Entertainment Dept, to the content produced by content producers.
There's nothing in that vid that hasn't already been raised on this board. Maybe this board is his source? Lol. There are big expectations for Lightning Luke. Davis is moving to 133 & will challenge Nagao. He's picking Davis over Nagao. Facundo to 157 is the biggest surprise weight change. 149 & 157 are between Van Ness, Kasak & Facundo, but he doesn't know how that will shake out. Levi's going up two weight classes to 174 pounds, but he wonders about his walking around weight. He thinks Connor Mirasola is the only recruit who could potentially challenge for a starting spot, and that 197 will be a battle between Barr, Cochran & Connor. No unsolved mysteries revealed in that episode. He failed to mention "fists to the back," "pushing down," or "Going for the Gusto." Let's not forget about all the fun that's going to come from listening to student announcers with limited wrestling knowledge trying to cover a match!
 
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Agree.
One interesting nugget I took from the video was Greg saying all indications are that 133 is Davis’ job to lose. But he didn’t give any detail on what those indications were 🧐
 
There's nothing in that vid that hasn't already been raised on this board. Maybe this board is his source? Lol. There are big expectations for Lightning Luke. Davis is moving to 133 & will challenge Nagao. He's picking Davis over Nagao. Facundo to 157 is the biggest surprise weight change. 149 & 157 are between Van Ness, Kasak & Facundo, but he doesn't know how that will shake out. Levi's going up two weight classes to 174 pounds, but he wonders about his walking around weight. He thinks Connor Mirasola is the only recruit who could potentially challenge for a starting spot, and that 197 will be a battle between Barr, Cochran & Connor. No unsolved mysteries revealed in that episode. He failed to mention "fists to the back," "pushing down," or "Going for the Gusto." Let's not forget about all the fun that's going to come from listening to student announcers with no wrestling knowledge trying to cover a match!
Thank you, Sir Slippery!
 
I'm sooo with you. Used to hate that feature--thought it provided me an unclean user experience, in which I was unable to read the detritus that respected others were responding to.

But I've changed my mind. Now when I see "you are ignoring posts from this user", it feels really good. Like my self telling myself: "self! Trust thyself--ain't nothing there you need to read."
Fine usage of detritus there : )
 
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Sorry bud, but I won't be proven wrong until next year. Bookmark this and then bash me over the head with it in November 2025.

PS - we just had a poster today pontificate the merits of Barr going up to heavy down the road. Do I think that happens? Highly highly unlikely. Nonetheless, that poster must really ruffle your feathers.

Do I think Barr might rethink 184 after a full year at 197, for a variety of reasons, you bet.

Do I think Marisola has been anointed 197 next year? Pretty much, yes.

However, if Barr grows a little more, might he challenge for the spot? Quite possible.

I gained 45 lbs and 1" in first two years in college, anyone who thinks all kids are done growing at 18-20 isn't factual. My main point isn't entirely the 16 lbs needed to get back down to 184, but moreso he might change physiologically forcing himself to go up to 197 for a full year. What might have been a hard cut, might then become a cut that leaves him listless and far less competitive.

Would I pick Barr over Marisola for 197 in 2025, both on full feed? A very good question.

Honestly the talent is so good I would not be shocked by either outcome. However far fetched it sounds today, if Barr goes 197 this year, there is at least chance he stays there, Marisola or no.

So on balance, all of this speculation is irrelevant, excepting for Barr at 184 and Carter at 197 made more sense on paper to some extent. I think the real deciding factor was Carter obviously couldn't get big enough fast enough for 197. If today he is walking around at 190ish he would have been giving up 10-15 lbs in body mass to his top competition. That said - I think he would have won @197 anyway.
This one is aging well. I will still wait until next year to tell you, I told you so.
 
This one is aging well. I will still wait until next year to tell you, I told you so.
Don't move the goalposts.

You stated Barr would have trouble moving down next year after bulking up to 197. That was laughable then and is still laughable today.

Yes, he could do better at 197 and stay there. I told you most years 184 is better and deeper than 197. That's still true as well. Barr is a very small 197 right now but he still could contend for a NC - which you doubted he could do unless he bulked up too much to cut back to 184.

This was, is, and will always remain a losing argument for you. You just don't get what the deal is at the upper weights.
 
Aren’t you also the one who isn’t sold on Mirasola at heavy? Seemed to do pretty damn good today
You are correct sir. He exceed expectations by a mile. No doubt. I would like to know what he weighs. Assuming he is still grossly undersized, I thought he would have trouble. I hope another year on full feed gets him to the mid 230s.
 
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to me Kasak and Barr are clear starters some guys are good practice wrestlers some are better when it counts and that is Kasak!Rumors mean nothing!
 
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Could Luke Lilledahl, as a true freshman, win a National Championship this year?

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Let's look at the starters and see how they did as freshmen under Cael: Davis - B1G champ, DNP; Beau - DNP; Shane - 3d; Kasak - 3d; MM - 2d; Levi - 2d; Carter - 1st; Kerk - 7th. Cael's record with frosh has been pretty solid, to say the least. I think LL and Barr have a pretty good chance to be on, or at the top of, the podium.
 
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Let's look at the starters and see how they did as freshmen under Cael: Davis - B1G champ, DNP; Beau - DNP; Shane - 3d; Kasak - 3d; MM - 2d; Levi - 2d; Carter - 1st; Kerk - 7th. Cael's record with frosh has been pretty solid, to say the least. I think LL and Barr have a pretty good chance to be on, or at the top of, the podium.
And as great as all of those guys were none came in as highly ranked as LL or with his accolades
 
Matter limited his review to current starters, but as Nova pointed out Mark did well as a freshman. Despite all the beatings Nico took in the room, as a freshman he still managed to wrestle his way into the finals. Zain placed 5th. If Suriano doesn't suffer a freak injury, he was a legitimate threat to win as a freshman.

There is plenty of recent and long term history that indicates Luke will most likely be ready to challenge for a championship as a true frosh.
 
Matter limited his review to current starters, but as Nova pointed out Mark did well as a freshman. Despite all the beatings Nico took in the room, as a freshman he still managed to wrestle his way into the finals. Zain placed 5th. If Suriano doesn't suffer a freak injury, he was a legitimate threat to win as a freshman.

There is plenty of recent and long term history that indicates Luke will most likely be ready to challenge for a championship as a true frosh.
Yes. If we go back to 2011, you have, in addition, Taylor, Ruth, Nico, Bo, Jason, Mark Hall, Brooks and probably more that are escaping me at the moment, to create quite an enviable track record with freshmen.
 
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I think you need to separate true freshmen from redshirt freshmen; that year in the room does make a difference.

That being said, we have seen enough true freshmen have success both at PSU and at other programs to believe Luke could be a high AA, perhaps even a champion.
 
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A roster note:

I just noticed that Van Ness' bio on the official roster has been updated to state that he has already been granted his injury hardship waiver for last year and received a medical RS. I guess this is how they are handling it now - the NCAA can grant it immediately, and not at the end of eligibility?

I highly doubt they would post this on the official PSU roster without receiving a thumbs-up from the NCAA. And the fact that Shayne has already gone to the effort to get it leads me to believe he is planning to use all of his eligibility. Has this been discussed before?
 
A roster note:

I just noticed that Van Ness' bio on the official roster has been updated to state that he has already been granted his injury hardship waiver for last year and received a medical RS. I guess this is how they are handling it now - the NCAA can grant it immediately, and not at the end of eligibility?

I highly doubt they would post this on the official PSU roster without receiving a thumbs-up from the NCAA. And the fact that Shayne has already gone to the effort to get it leads me to believe he is planning to use all of his eligibility. Has this been discussed before?
That is great news. We will probably need him after half the lineup, the trainer, s&c coach, and equipment manager head to Rutgers next year.
 
A roster note:

I just noticed that Van Ness' bio on the official roster has been updated to state that he has already been granted his injury hardship waiver for last year and received a medical RS. I guess this is how they are handling it now - the NCAA can grant it immediately, and not at the end of eligibility?

I highly doubt they would post this on the official PSU roster without receiving a thumbs-up from the NCAA. And the fact that Shayne has already gone to the effort to get it leads me to believe he is planning to use all of his eligibility. Has this been discussed before?
Yes and yes
 
A roster note:

I just noticed that Van Ness' bio on the official roster has been updated to state that he has already been granted his injury hardship waiver for last year and received a medical RS. I guess this is how they are handling it now - the NCAA can grant it immediately, and not at the end of eligibility?

I highly doubt they would post this on the official PSU roster without receiving a thumbs-up from the NCAA. And the fact that Shayne has already gone to the effort to get it leads me to believe he is planning to use all of his eligibility. Has this been discussed before?
I raised this question after the Black Knight event (maybe in that thread, don't recall), when Byers on a couple occasions referred to SVN as a "fourth year sophomore". Seemed to indicate that SVN had already received NCAA approval for a medical redshirt in 2023-24, but there wasn't much discussion.
 
Here's Jeff Byers talking about the line-up & recruits.

Thanks for posting.......great insight from Byers. Just another person that is part of this program to be so proud of. We are blessed on so many levels. Coaches, wrestlers, and broadcasters. Now, a few questions and observations.
  • The interviewer and Jeff's observations are just another reminder of how blessed we are as PSU wrestling fans. Our program is stacked and deep...and loaded with good, high character guys.

  • Both Zach (the interviewer) and Byers pronounce Tyler's last name as "Kaysack". I assume that's correct coming from two guys who are close to the program, but I have been saying "Kahsick" or maybe "Kahseck". (okay I'm no phonetic genius).

  • Jeff spoke of wrestlers jumping levels each season. I totally agree and we see it on a regular basis. We recruit the best.....and the coaches develop that talent even more (contrary to what many of our detractors and opponents say).

  • Jeff said our wrestlers make their own decisions about weight class choices (albeit with wise coaches input) but it's refreshing to hear that.
 
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the coaches develop that talent even more (contrary to what many of our detractors and opponents say).
IIRC, Welsh was a higher recruit than barr. Welsh won the last match they met in hs and haven't wrestled since.

Next year after both have taken a shirt year I would love to see the gap that has been made between them and in which direction it had grown.
 
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