Robbie can beat both Ayala and DeAugustino. That's a fact.
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The first step is recognizing it lol. I get it though, I have a friend who is very cautious about any predictions with wrestling. And the guy at nationals, saying, well, we can't have 8 national champions.
We both air on the side of caution or enthusiasm.
Why can't we? Assuming Starocci & Brooks are back and not out on ORS:
174, 197, HWT: clear favorites
157, 184: top 2 and close to 50-50 to win, only takes one great match...
149: SVN needs to clear the Sasso hurdle, but it's doable.
133: Nagao is one of a small handful of legit contenders if Vito isn't Superhuman Vito next year
141: Bartlett is a solid AA and could be a contender if he continues the upward trajectory he showed at nationals, but he needs to jump at least Alirez and Woods
165: If Mesenbrink goes, who knows what his potential is. 165 will be a meat grinder again, but he is a wild card in there
125: Totally unknown, but wide open if Robbie is healthy.
There's a path to 8 in there somewhere. I'm not betting on it, but it's there.
My cautious friend? He did agree he sees a path for 8 finalists after the recent transfers. If he sees a chance it's not crazy talk.
We have our stuff in order, so not much to talk about. You guys are a circus, filled with bikini-clad fat chicks on mopeds. It's hard not to watch, let alone not talk about.
It's not hard to envision 8 wrestlers into the semis. After all, If Carter and Brooks are in the lineup, we will likely begin the season with 8 wrestlers ranked in the top 4.
With our record on Friday night, it's also easy to see a path for 8 into the finals ... just sayin.
8 National champs is more than a stretch, and a bit silly to talk about, granted there is a razor's edge wide path to do so.
Probably more incredible, and let's say 'doable' as there is a wider path to all 10 wrestlers finishing top 4. That would be epic, the stuff of legends, and cement this team as the best ever. Still a stretch, but.... WOW!
Probably more incredible, and let's say 'doable' as there is a wider path to all 10 wrestlers finishing top 4. That would be epic, the stuff of legends, and cement this team as the best ever. Still a stretch, but.... WOW!
If my buddy, he wrestled a little in college, thinks it's possible? I would say it is. imagine the meltdown next year lol.
Yep, I can see 8 finalists and PSU winning 4-6 in the tournament if everythin goes right. I could definitely see your scenario as plausible.
How about a thread to discuss the Over/Under on number of Hawkeye wrestlers who are involved in the gambling investigation? Too soon?
I am thinking the O/U should be around three. I am taking the under and praying for the over.
Yep!! I have even prayed for you on a couple occasions.
One thing I find interesting is Iowa fans of all people compare bringing Ferrari's in to DeSanto. That's an awful comparison. DeSanto to my knowledge was never ever a bad kid off the mat. When he's able to remain calm and control his emotions, he's a great kid.
His mental battles are documented especially in the heat of battle, that was absolutely fixable and the Brands did a great job at it.
His mental battles are documented especially in the heat of battle, that was absolutely fixable and the Brands did a great job at it.
Does this kind of penalty burn eligibility?
Just for examples same, if Cassi were found to have bet over $500 on Iowa football, and the NCAA issues a year suspension, does that simply ban him from team activities for a year, while extending his career a year, or does that burn a year?
Likewise if there is a half year suspension, I assume that means no practicing with the team in addition to missing out on half the duals?
My take any betting on pro sports is complete BS for the NCAA to get involved. I see zero difference than any non athlete student doing the same.
Once you get in to betting on your own team, your own sport, or other permutations of collegiate athletics, one can see the opportunity for collusion amongst athletes, and the integrity of the sport can be compromised.
Correct - otherwise you can just get an extra redshirt by betting lol.
Oh my god, can you imagine? I legit hope that isn't the case, but damn the way this off season has gone...
It’s probably different due to legal betting outlets now, but I’m sure the rules were put in place to keep athletes from getting in too deep with unsavory people - and then being compromised going forward and perhaps asked to somehow “work off” your debt some way.
Obligatory gif:
.000083% chance is possible. Not very realistic. But possible.
Edit: in reference to 8 champs, not finalists.
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I think the logic there is if an NCAA athlete gets into debt with a bookie betting on professional sports, then they are more susceptible to being convinced to fix a college game to settle their debt or to just flat out turn a big payday. While the rules are not perfect, they are still an attempt to protect the athlete (from themself).
I mean we just had 7 this year ... so.
Imagine if Mesenbrink is what @James P. Whitters III has promised us also and Robbie Howard is healthy! (Cassar did it after being out for 2 years)
Not true. Researchers have found that some college athletes and coaches are much better than average at picking long shot bets that turn out to be winners. The best example is the current PSU coaching staff for the wrestling team. Ten national team titles in the last 12 years along with 30+ individual national titles. 😈
I hadn't thought of it from that angle. Agreed. However; context is everything, and betting on fantasy football even if $500 shouldn't be the same category as the dark alley type. Too many areas of grey to navigate for the NCAA, hence the zero tolerance approach. You can't buy a new iPhone for $500. That is a number, even for a student that just seems far too low as well.
If it was for the reasons some folks are hypothesizing, then it wouldn’t make sense to limit the ban to only those sports for which the NCAA has a championship.
Pretty sure folks get into big debt betting on horse racing, casino games, poker, etc.
Pretty sure folks get into big debt betting on horse racing, casino games, poker, etc.
There have been some point shaving scandals in men's hoops -- BC in the 1970s, Arizona State in the 1990s at least.
Also, in the late 1980s some UNLV players were photographed in a hot tub with a Lucchese stooge nicknamed The Fixer, who had multiple convictions for fixing sports betting (including the BC case and some NYC horse racing). The NCAA would very badly want to avoid that kind of press.
I think they should get most of the credit for Gilman. He was a savage there and still is.
However, they should also get credit for alienating him to the point where he leaves to go to their rivals. Just as they have done with DSJ, Metcalf, and several others. It’s actually mind boggling the talent they let leave that place. Other than Bubba Jenkins, I can’t think of a disgruntled former PSU wrestler. Can anyone else? All of our guys that leave and coach elsewhere have said great things about their time at PSU. Beard may possibly have a little bitterness but hasn’t publicly said anything that I know of.
And even Bubba Jenkins admitted he was immature and didn’t handle everything right and gets why Cael had to do what he did. Mentioned Cael was setting the tone and maybe in another time frame, they could have worked.
All reports of Beard is there’s no hard feelings and it seems the team still loves him and vice versa. Obviously he’s human so I imagine there’s probably not totally 0 resentment but not like he wasn’t given a chance to earn the spot every year he was here including 2020 and 2022.
Maybe Cruiseliner Nick because he always has a chip on his shoulder about something. But he does get along with his former PSU teammates.
Wrestlers are definitely involved. Question is who and what extent.
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Right after the semi-finals a huge check was supposedly dropped in a portal and addressed to Coe College Administration.Wrestlers are definitely involved. Question is who and what extent.
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