At the rate Levi is progressing knowing the name of Vincent Zerban for a trivia question might be a good idea : ) On another note, PSWC lists Levi's record this year as 15-0. Does anyone know why the Zerban loss isn't listed or included?
Is Penn State Freshman Levi Haines a Title Contender at 157 Pounds?
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That looks like it excludes the tournament results (other than the B1G champs), but that would be 14-0, not 15-0, so someone is not doing their math right.
Here’s some media attention for those complaining you didn’t get any during the Big 10 Tourney.
Levi moved up to number 2 in the Flo rankings. AOC is now number 1
The Zerban loss is there, but the four bouts from the Black Knight Invitational are not. It will be taken care of. THANKS!! Note that there are two bouts on the PSWC website that do not count as D1 matches.
Picked as NCAA Wrestler of the Week...with ALL of other conference tournament wrestlers in the country included...and yet doesn't even win Outstanding Wrestler at the BIG Tournament by the BTN clowns. Amazing!
One can certainly make a very strong argument that Levi is ahead of where both Jason and Bo were at this point in their careers.
I am amazed and encouraged by any true Freshman that is of AA caliber.
I am saddened by the thought that we 'may' have to wait until Nov 2024 to see him as a starter again. If so, holy cow, look out!
PS - yes, I know Bo & Jason shirted, that's the point.
I am amazed and encouraged by any true Freshman that is of AA caliber.
I am saddened by the thought that we 'may' have to wait until Nov 2024 to see him as a starter again. If so, holy cow, look out!
PS - yes, I know Bo & Jason shirted, that's the point.
I think he will be in the lineup next season. Call it a hunch...
I get your drift,if he wants to be in lineup next year, I as well believe he will be.
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I feel strange referring too him as a TF when I know damn well he spent a year at NLWC.By the book he is a TF, but I’d be hesitant to call that a STRONG argument.
So if he were just at M2 or Young Guns last year, he would be valid FR, but since he was with the NLWC, he is not? I contend that it is a strong argument because Levi is only 18 years old...the actual age of a college freshman.
That is a rarity now amongst incoming freshman D1 wrestlers.
I’ll agree with the age argument,if you’ll admit that Levi wouldnt be anywhere near the wrestler he is had he not spent last year (basically redshirting) in SC.
I don't think anyone would argue against that. Train with Olympians for your senior year? Hell yeah, sign me up!
Oooookay, but you’ll have to admit that Spencer Lee wouldn’t be anywhere near the wrestler he was as a freshman had he not spent several years with YG prior to college.
One would have to be an idiot to wave off the impact of spending your HS senior year wrestling in Lorenzo (plus immediate access to M2) versus wrestling in one's HS wrestling room.
Worked well for Nick Lee, and now Levi. Even with the year of training, he is still only 18.
So, do you consider that a “theoretical red shirt” year or do you still choose to refer to Levi as a true freshman based solely on his age.
It’s just discussion guys, im merely trying too get opinions.
I’ll give the credit to Jimmy Mulligan 😜Oooookay, but you’ll have to admit that Spencer Lee wouldn’t be anywhere near the wrestler he was as a freshman had he not spent several years with YG prior to college.
I’m pretty sure Mark Steen was a regular at the old Eagles club as well.
I don’t think it’s near a redshirt experience. Redshirts are still managing college courses, college training periodizations and get to wrestle in college events. It used to be unattached in tournaments but now they can even wrestle in duals. AB trained at the OTC, but it wasn’t college. I think the entirety of the college challenges can only be learned as a college student.
Levi was still enrolled in HS. Not a grayshirt, let alone a redshirt.
Also not a tanshirt or a blackshirt.
So he's a true freshman.
I definitely consider him a true freshman based on being just 18.
Absolutely a true freshman. Kid is only 18 and in college taking college classes for the first time. Being in NLWC room for a year doesn’t change that.
Levi not a true freshman? Because he trained at the NLWC? Lol...this is something the nitwits over on HR would tell themselves to feel better about things...
And I still call absolute bullsh&t on the 2 stall calls on Mason Paris! Lol
I don't see it as an either or. From a physically mature standpoint he is a true freshman who doesn't even have the advantage of a Junior Hi RS year.
From a development standpoint, his skills are developed more like a RSFR. As a 17 year-old member of the NLWC he was getting advanced training, with no time constraints.
An aside, Aaron spent a year at the Olympic training center doing nothing but wrestling before putting on the blue singlet.
PSU has had 3 guys achieve tremendous success with this model.
Interview with Bo about Levi
If he shirts a year he will be a freaking beast that nobody wants to face when he comes back
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