That’s positive for Edsell. Edsell beat Meyer in the dual 2-1. Meyer doesn’t have a good record but his losses are to really good kids. Lost to O’Toole, Marinelli, Ramirez, Hartman. I’m excited to see how Edsell does at Big 10’s.
Noteworthy Results & Goldfish Games: Feb 16-20
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Looked like Valencia kept holding his side like he tweaked it on a mat return. He showed no energy the entire match.
Not telling you anything you didn’t know but, Schultz is NOT the second best 285 in the country!
The mat return was after Meyer was already well in control of the match.
He's dangerous with that great blast double that he often turns into NF. I'll give him that.
Still dangerous in my opinion a good match up for the Bull in the quarters.
Valencia at 165 and having no energy has been a career normal. The exception is when he has energy.
Valencia is just one trick, the blast double from space, and he does it extremely well. If he can hit it, he can win, if he can't, he loses badly. Trouble is, his setup for his special move is more obvious than a video game boss. So it's not hard to neutralize.
165 drops off after the first 6 IMO ... Everyone in the first 6 is either undefeated or only has losses to each other (minus Griffith and his loss to Ramirez but seeing how he's the defending champ, I think an exception can be made here lol)
Wick - Undefeated
KOT - Undefeated
Kharchla - loss to Griffith
Marinelli- loss to Kharchla
Griffith - loss to Wick and Ramirez
Hamiti - loss to Marinelli
Wittlake has losses to Hartman and Yant
Valencia just lost to Meyer
Wick - Undefeated
KOT - Undefeated
Kharchla - loss to Griffith
Marinelli- loss to Kharchla
Griffith - loss to Wick and Ramirez
Hamiti - loss to Marinelli
Wittlake has losses to Hartman and Yant
Valencia just lost to Meyer
Let's see Mason Beckman speak up and condemn this
... and which of those things is a criterion for seeding?
Kai Orine got beat in OT yesterday to Heilman but really like this freshman. He could surprise in March.
And this will be why Extra Matches — which were long overdue and universally embraced — will be taken away.
Nice job, coaches. You may feel slighted by the framework for NCAA qualification, but it will always be about taking the mat and wrestling the matches. This gamesmanship is sad, and now you’ve ruined a good thing.
Could you imagine tomorrow Berge wrestling 157 and then 7 extra matches with wins in 1 second injury defaults.
I see him getting knocked out early at Nationals. Too many good heavyweights to just stand around
How are extra matches decided on? I mean, why would opposing coaches want to give matches to guys they don’t want to particularly be facing at Nationals.
Ok, maybe I’d allow that . . . because the tHR meltdown would be of epic proportions.
Sure, the convo would consist simply of MVP, Ironbird, Goblin, and Don doing a round-robin circle of their own, but the rage and hate would be epic nonetheless.
I’d probably consider coming out of retirement over there to take part in all that. Lol
I am not sure, but, it might have more to do with allocating a spot for the conference than national seeding.
I don’t know how much back-scratching is going on, or if there is just a gentlemen’s agreement among some faction of D1 programs to just agree to do it for some higher cause they believe in, but it is shady and I presume being done by the coaches (as opposed to the wrestlers).
Past results are not a guarantee of future performance (he finished 4th last season), but I can see him on the podium. To get there, Schultz will have to beat a Wood/Stencil/Traub type talent, which he's proven he can do.
Definitely about conference auto-qualification and at-large eligibility.
National seeding doesn't come into play. The odds of facing the other guy are pretty small in the first place.
Zeke deserves blame for this but it takes two coaches to fix a match. Santoro is even more to blame, because his guys laid down. If I'm Lehigh's AD, I'm suspending Santoro thru the postseason for this stunt, including shut out of practice. It's a direct assault on the integrity of athletic competition.
I really do not understand the McGee over Hynes default though. It does not really benefit McGee as without it he is still 17-2 and a lock for the tournament. Does the loss for Hynes benefit him in someway! I understand the Ramos match as it helps his winning %.
Am I correct in assuming both Lehigh wrestlers had to weigh in, dress, then step on the mat?
If that is the case Santoro should be fired on the spot.
If that is the case Santoro should be fired on the spot.
Hines lost via InjDef last week, which was his 14th match. We can presume he was not able to wrestle today due to that injury, but needed one more match to get to 15 during the regular season.
Hines was 8-6 going into the match. He needs 15 matches for an RPI, and thus a shot at an EIWA auto-qualifier spot. The loss didn't matter to Lehigh, his Win % was below the threshold regardless.
Slush nailed the rationale above.
The 141 match makes even less sense. It doesn't get either guys an auto-qualification spot for their conferences. Both are below .700 Win %, and both still have too few matches for an RPI.
Absolutely absurd. Zeke Jones is a ****. Same guy who intentionally had Schultz duck BOTH Kerk AND Parris. What a freaking joke. Disgusting.
Yep. And I’m guessing they (Lehigh staff) believe or suspect Hines will not be ready for EIWA’s. RPI is one of the criteria for at-large selection. So, we are basically seeing a strategy here to ensure a best shot for 2017 Suriano Part II. Hines InjDef’s at EIWAs to check the box that he participated in the conference tourney, and he’ll have an RPI to fall back on for at-large consideration.
Yup. Hines was 16th in the 2/6 coaches poll. Hard to imagine he'd drop out of it after this weekend's results. So that's the strategy, or at least the backup plan.
I thought that about the RPI as well, but I saw this:
It seems to indicate that medical defaults will count towards wind but not towards the 15 match minimum for RPI.
To help prevent gaming the system, I’d make a crtieria change so that InjDef’s count only if they occur after some significant period of time into the match — like maybe it counts if only >50% of the match has been wrestled before the default. Gotta go beyond 1st period, or else we’d see repeats of the Teemer-Monday match.
Other option is to not allow Extra Matches to be eligible for RPI, Win%, etc.
Anything but taking Extra Matches away entirely.
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