Noteworthy Results & Goldfish Games: Feb 9-13

[apoharrow]

Saucon Valley beat Notre Dame GP today for state team dual title. Keep in mind less than 2 weeks ago Notre Dame beat Saucon 50-5 in District championship.
Crookham and his father got the last laugh on the ill feelings they had with ND.

Mateo magic: Frosh helps Saucon Valley wrestling shock NDGP for 1st state title

https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/hi...wrestling-shock-ndgp-for-1st-state-title.html

Did guys sit in the other meeting?

 

[Callthestall]

Did guys sit in the other meeting?

Saucon has had a bunch of injuries made a couple of changes but I wouldn't say they tanked on purpose last week.
Some kids stepped up. Mateo's win was an example of different results. Mateo lost to Wehr twice by major this season. Jake Jones had a big pin. Jones is tough.
What a difference a week makes

Notre Dame wrestling shows its dominance during District 11 2A rout of Saucon Valley

The Crusaders won the D-11 2A team tourney for the 1st time.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

 

[nerfstate]

 

[zzs006]

Keegan is a beast. I think he wins 165 this year but I really want to see him vs Wick. Cradle city

 

[El-Jefe]

Iowa-OKST:
125 Mastro dec Ybarra 6-5 (oof)
133 Fix dec DeSanto 5-3
165 Marinelli dec Wittlake 3-2
174 Kemerer dec Plott 6-1

Missouri-Arizona State:
125 Courtney dec Surtin 10-5
149 Parco dec Edmond 3-2
157 Teemer dec Jacques 3-1 SV
165 O'Toole F Valencia 5:52
197 Elam dec Norfleet 4-2
HWT Schultz dec Elam 8-1

Rutger-Maryland:
184 Cochran dec Poznanski 9-4

West Virginia-Utah Valley
125 Cardinale dec LaMont 3-2

 

[mcpat]

125 Mastro dec Ybarra 6-5 (oof)

It was a clearly diminished Mastro. Something wrong with at least one leg and/or knee. I’d say even the folks on HR noted it in their comments about the match, but they tend to be less than kind when posting about Ybarra regardless. I hope the kid transfers and becomes a 3x AA. He looks pretty good to me for a freshman going against returning AAs.

 

[NittanyChris]

Keegan is a beast. I think he wins 165 this year but I really want to see him vs Wick. Cradle city

Keegan is a monster, no doubt. That said, give me the cagey veteran, Wick. I’ll put those two in the finals if they’re on opposite sides of the bracket.

 

[jmadden1998]

Keegan is a monster, no doubt. That said, give me the cagey veteran, Wick. I’ll put those two in the finals if they’re on opposite sides of the bracket.

Marinelli 4-1 against Wick. O’Toole hasn’t faced Griffith, Wick, Kharchla, Marinelli, or Hamiti. Not saying he can’t do it but we have seen guys from Missouri look unbeatable against inferior competition and then get beat at NCAA’s.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

Marinelli 4-1 against Wick. O’Toole hasn’t faced Griffith, Wick, Kharchla, Marinelli, or Hamiti. Not saying he can’t do it but we have seen guys from Missouri look unbeatable against inferior competition and then get beat at NCAA’s.

Agree with the Mizz theory, but KOT sure looked good winning his World Title, and THAT was hardly inferior competition.

I say KOT in finals against one of Kharchla or Hamiti.
Of course seeds/placement could put all 3 on same side….

 

[crablegs1]

Agree with the Mizz theory, but KOT sure looked good winning his World Title, and THAT was hardly inferior competition.

I say KOT in finals against one of Kharchla or Hamiti.
Of course seeds/placement could put all 3 on same side….

The Mizzou theory doesn’t hold up for O’Toole. He’s already placed third at NCAAs as well. I don’t think he needs to prove himself against Marinelli, Kharchla, or Hamiti. Those guys haven’t proven themself near as much as O’Toole. It is ass backwards to think a returning 3rd placer who is undefeated needs to prove themself against freshman who’ve never wrestled a match at NCAAs or a guy whose best finish is 6th in 3 attempts.

That said, I’m not picking O’Toole to win. I think his style gives up points often. That weight class will be an absolute meat grinder and don’t see him stringing them all together.

I like Wick.

 

[El-Jefe]

O'Toole did finish 3rd at nationals last year, so lumping him in with the rest of Missouri seems a bit unfair.

That said, he teched Valencia last year 16-1, so yesterday's pin doesn't really much.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

The Mizzou theory doesn’t hold up for O’Toole. He’s already placed third at NCAAs as well. I don’t think he needs to prove himself against Marinelli, Kharchla, or Hamiti. Those guys haven’t proven themself near as much as O’Toole. It is ass backwards to think a returning 3rd placer who is undefeated needs to prove themself against freshman who’ve never wrestled a match at NCAAs or a guy whose best finish is 6th in 3 attempts.

That said, I’m not picking O’Toole to win. I think his style gives up points often. That weight class will be an absolute meat grinder and don’t see him stringing them all together.

I like Wick.

That bracket could go a hundred different directions. Winner should be in OW conversation.

 

[jmadden1998]

O'Toole did finish 3rd at nationals last year, so lumping him in with the rest of Missouri seems a bit unfair.

That said, he teched Valencia last year 16-1, so yesterday's pin doesn't really much.

This was his run to third. Impressive for a freshman but didn’t beat any of the top guys I mentioned. We will see.

3rd place
Travis Wittlake W DEC 4 - 3

Consi
Hartman, Zach W MD 17 - 4

Consi
Valencia, Anthony W TF5 16 - 1 7:00

Consi
Weber, Luke W DEC 5 - 1

Quarters
Wentzel, Jake L DEC 9 - 6

R16
Amine, Cameron W DEC 5 - 2

R32
Silverstein, Jake W FALL 4:10

 

[crablegs1]

This was his run to third. Impressive for a freshman but didn’t beat any of the top guys I mentioned. We will see.

3rd place
Travis Wittlake W DEC 4 - 3

Consi
Hartman, Zach W MD 17 - 4

Consi
Valencia, Anthony W TF5 16 - 1 7:00

Consi
Weber, Luke W DEC 5 - 1

Quarters
Wentzel, Jake L DEC 9 - 6

R16
Amine, Cameron W DEC 5 - 2

R32
Silverstein, Jake W FALL 4:10

You’re right, he didn’t face any of the “top guys” you mention like Hamiti or Kharchla who weren’t at NCAAs. Or of course Marinelli who DNP.

 

[jmadden1998]

This was his run to third. Impressive for a freshman but didn’t beat any of the top guys I mentioned. We will see.

You’re right, he didn’t face any of the “top guys” you mention like Hamiti or Kharchla who weren’t at NCAAs. Or of course Marinelli who DNP.

They will all be there this year along with Wick. Going to be a tougher road than last year. A Missouri wrestler hasn’t won a title since J’Den Cox in 2017.

 

[crablegs1]

They will all be there this year along with Wick. Going to be a tougher road than last year. A Missouri wrestler hasn’t won a title since J’Den Cox in 2017.

Agree it will be tougher this year, and I’m not picking him to win. Although, he is 100% a legitimate contender along with about 4 other guys. Personally not putting Hamiti or Kharchla in the conversation yet.

Also not putting him in the same category of Mizzou guys who only look better on paper. O’Toole is legit.

 

[KCLion]

They will all be there this year along with Wick. Going to be a tougher road than last year. A Missouri wrestler hasn’t won a title since J’Den Cox in 2017.

I guess that’s about the same with Iowa other than Spencer, correct?

 

[NoVa Lion]

I guess that’s about the same with Iowa other than Spencer, correct?

And that's in spit of having many Iowa wrestlers who were favored.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

They will all be there this year along with Wick. Going to be a tougher road than last year. A Missouri wrestler hasn’t won a title since J’Den Cox in 2017.

When was the last Iowa champion at a weight this high? Not exactly stellar up there either. Jbo in 2012? 20 years?

 

[jmadden1998]

I guess that’s about the same with Iowa other than Spencer, correct?

When was the last Iowa champion at a weight this high? Not exactly stellar up there either. Jbo in 2012? 20 years?

You guys are right. Iowa and Missouri have a pretty even wrestling history in the last 10 years.

 

[RoarLions1]

When was the last Iowa champion at a weight this high? Not exactly stellar up there either. Jbo in 2012? 20 years?

Joel Sharratt (1994) at the old 190 weight class. Jay Borschel won at 174 in 2010. the most recent upper weight was Steve Mocco in 2003. Must go back to the Branach/Alger era (early 1980's) to find anyone in the heaviest 3 weight classes before that.

 

[crablegs1]

You guys are right. Iowa and Missouri have a pretty even wrestling history in the last 10 years.

Owned so hard you turn to defending Iowa as a better program than Missouri.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Joel Sharratt (1994) at the old 190 weight class. Jay Borschel won at 174 in 2010. the most recent upper weight was Steve Mocco in 2003. Must go back to the Branach/Alger era (early 1980's) to find anyone in the heaviest 3 weight classes before that.

When you put it down in black and white it makes it seem more dismal than left in my head. Makes me appreciate what Cael and his superb staff has done cranking out champions from 125 all the way through hwt.

 

[dunkej01]

You guys are right. Iowa and Missouri have a pretty even wrestling history in the last 10 years.

Imagine if you went all the way back to 1976. It would really prove your point.

 

[jmadden1998]

Owned so hard you turn to defending Iowa as a better program than Missouri.

Owned so hard you turn to defending Iowa as a better program than Missouri.

 

[jmadden1998]

Imagine if you went all the way back to 1976. It would really prove your point.

Let’s do it! 72 titles. I win!

Royce Alger 1987 1988
Ed Banach 1980 1981 1983
Lou Banach 1981 1983
Jay Borschel 2010
Terry Brands 1990 1992
Tom Brands 1990 1991 1992†
Peter Bush 1982
Chris Campbell 1976 1977
Rico Chiapparelli 1987
Cory Clark 2017
Barry Davis 1982 1983 1985†
Kevin Dresser 1986
Lee Fullhart 1997
Duane Goldman 1986
Jim Heffernan 1986
Mark Ironside 1997 1998
Eric Juergens 2000 2001
Bruce Kinseth 1979†
Marty Kistler 1985 1986†
Spencer Lee 2018 2019 2021
Randy Lewis 1979 1980
Matt McDonough 2010 2012
Jeff McGinness 1995 1998
Lincoln McIlravy 1993 1994 1997†
Brent Metcalf 2008† 2010
Steve Mocco 2003
Cliff Moore 2004
Brad Penrith 1986
Mark Perry 2007 2008
Tony Ramos 2014
Mark Reiland 1991
Doug Schwab 1999
Joel Sharratt 1994
Brad Smith 1976
Terry Steiner 1993†
Troy Steiner 1992
Derek St. John 2013
Daryl Weber 1996
Jessie Whitmer 1997
Joe Williams 1996 1997 1998†
T.J. Williams 1999 2001
Chuck Yagla 1975 1976†
Bill Zadick 1996
Jim Zalesky 1982 1983 1984†
†Denotes tournament most outstanding wrestler

 

[El-Jefe]

Let’s do it! 72 titles. I win!

Royce Alger 1987 1988
Ed Banach 1980 1981 1983
Lou Banach 1981 1983
Jay Borschel 2010
Terry Brands 1990 1992
Tom Brands 1990 1991 1992†
Peter Bush 1982
Chris Campbell 1976 1977
Rico Chiapparelli 1987
Cory Clark 2017
Barry Davis 1982 1983 1985†
Kevin Dresser 1986
Lee Fullhart 1997
Duane Goldman 1986
Jim Heffernan 1986
Mark Ironside 1997 1998
Eric Juergens 2000 2001
Bruce Kinseth 1979†
Marty Kistler 1985 1986†
Spencer Lee 2018 2019 2021
Randy Lewis 1979 1980
Matt McDonough 2010 2012
Jeff McGinness 1995 1998
Lincoln McIlravy 1993 1994 1997†
Brent Metcalf 2008† 2010
Steve Mocco 2003
Cliff Moore 2004
Brad Penrith 1986
Mark Perry 2007 2008
Tony Ramos 2014
Mark Reiland 1991
Doug Schwab 1999
Joel Sharratt 1994
Brad Smith 1976
Terry Steiner 1993†
Troy Steiner 1992
Derek St. John 2013
Daryl Weber 1996
Jessie Whitmer 1997
Joe Williams 1996 1997 1998†
T.J. Williams 1999 2001
Chuck Yagla 1975 1976†
Bill Zadick 1996
Jim Zalesky 1982 1983 1984†
†Denotes tournament most outstanding wrestler

Thank you, Iowa Jammen.

 

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Yes!! Very much so.

 

[jmadden1998]

Thank you, Iowa Jammen.

Blame @dunkej01, it was his suggestion.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Blame @dunkej01, it was his suggestion.

[insert eyeroll] Always amazed how douches believe themselves humerous.

 

[Reslo]

Let’s do it! 72 titles. I win!

Royce Alger 1987 1988
Ed Banach 1980 1981 1983
Lou Banach 1981 1983
Jay Borschel 2010
Terry Brands 1990 1992
Tom Brands 1990 1991 1992†
Peter Bush 1982
Chris Campbell 1976 1977
Rico Chiapparelli 1987
Cory Clark 2017
Barry Davis 1982 1983 1985†
Kevin Dresser 1986
Lee Fullhart 1997
Duane Goldman 1986
Jim Heffernan 1986
Mark Ironside 1997 1998
Eric Juergens 2000 2001
Bruce Kinseth 1979†
Marty Kistler 1985 1986†
Spencer Lee 2018 2019 2021
Randy Lewis 1979 1980
Matt McDonough 2010 2012
Jeff McGinness 1995 1998
Lincoln McIlravy 1993 1994 1997†
Brent Metcalf 2008† 2010
Steve Mocco 2003
Cliff Moore 2004
Brad Penrith 1986
Mark Perry 2007 2008
Tony Ramos 2014
Mark Reiland 1991
Doug Schwab 1999
Joel Sharratt 1994
Brad Smith 1976
Terry Steiner 1993†
Troy Steiner 1992
Derek St. John 2013
Daryl Weber 1996
Jessie Whitmer 1997
Joe Williams 1996 1997 1998†
T.J. Williams 1999 2001
Chuck Yagla 1975 1976†
Bill Zadick 1996
Jim Zalesky 1982 1983 1984†
†Denotes tournament most outstanding wrestler

I attended an Iowa wrestling camp a few times (92-93) and I must say that Troy and Terry Steiner were awesome instructors. They taught us much more clinical technique than one might expect. Sadly, much of it was lost on a bum like myself but my teammates seemed to really improve!

 

[Used2BEerie]

[insert eyeroll] Always amazed how douches believe themselves humerous.

 

[McScoreley]

One thing to consider, I don't believe Wick or O'Toole cut very much, if at all. That might factor into how Marinelli does against them on Day 2. Definitely a factor to consider about Suriano and Glory also as well. It also might be why I'm pretty high on Max regardless of how he looks at times right now (as long as he's healthy)

 

[jmadden1998]

[insert eyeroll] Always amazed how douches believe themselves humerous.

Can you break down every official call that you disagreed with this year again? I find it captivating reading.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Can you break down every official call that you disagreed with this year again? I find it captivating reading.

Ut ohhh…. Madden throws in a Deep whizzer. How will CJF respond?

 

[jmadden1998]

Ut ohhh…. Madden throws in a Deep whizzer. How will CJF respond?

Live video of him preparing his response

 

[slushhead]

One thing to consider, I don't believe Wick or O'Toole cut very much, if at all. That might factor into how Marinelli does against them on Day 2. Definitely a factor to consider about Suriano and Glory also as well. It also might be why I'm pretty high on Max regardless of how he looks at times right now (as long as he's healthy)

Agree on Suriano, somewhat on Glory, not sure about Marinelli, and not at all on Wick. IDK what happened this year, but Wick seemed sucked out in 2020.

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

[insert eyeroll] Always amazed how douches believe themselves humerous.

Is that also known as the funny bone?

 

[mcpat]

Joel Sharratt (1994) at the old 190 weight class. Jay Borschel won at 174 in 2010. the most recent upper weight was Steve Mocco in 2003. Must go back to the Branach/Alger era (early 1980's) to find anyone in the heaviest 3 weight classes before that.

Jay Baruchel looks like a 118 or 126 lber to me. Hard to believe he wrestled 174. Lengthy, but very thin.

 

[McScoreley]

Agree on Suriano, somewhat on Glory, not sure about Marinelli, and not at all on Wick. IDK what happened this year, but Wick seemed sucked out in 2020.