PSU - Iowa Dual Thread

[dunkej01]

If you can do it, try to not watch a match, then go to the boards and read what is said. Then go and watch the matches. Its pure entertainment if you can forego the need to know what happened.

Im pretty sure in the moment I would have been as critical as others on the boards, but having a day to let the match marinate only knowing we won gave me a different perspective.

quick hitters
- our TRUE freshman lost close matches to two 5th year senior returning all american hawkeyes at their place on TV in primetime. take the names away and just say that outloud. Should make any hawkeye fan shutter and any PSU fan stand and clap.
- the worst zain could be vs the best the sorenson could be was still a win for Zain. anything more than that and its fanspeak.
- Ive always been a closeted VRaptor fan, but I may join spyker on the picket line. Was Pfar just having that bad of a night or is Cutch in small slump. Guys have figured out his 197 gameplan, so either he has to change that up or he/we could be snake bit in St. Louis
- Nato, Pletch, MyMar, BoJo, Moore, Snyder could put the HR into full snowflake mode. Popcorn ready.

 

[El-Jefe]

Nice pic from the Iowa papers:

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Not sure if you remember Nate Carr, but saw him wrestle quite a bit through high school (he was a year older and wrestled for an opposing school - i wrestled with another guy who would become a Cyclone, Darkus). Anyway, Nate Carr was one of the most dynamic offensive wrestlers around - got screwed out of the Championship Match and Gold Medal in Korean Olympics (88 I believe) by a ridiculously bad call favoring the Korean wrestler. He ended up winning the Bronze. One of the worst and most blatant incidents of Olympic Wrestling cheating ever and the US filed formal protests, etc... but to no avail. Always think of Nate in regards to Dr. Nichols and that classic aggressive offense style he preferred - Nate, much like Cael, epitomized that "Cyclone" philosophy that really first created the USA's emergence on the International Freestyle scene.

Here is an article on the topic btw - HIT THIS HOTLINK. Even the Olympic Committee stated that Carr should have been deemed the winner by rules, but elected to only discipline the involved officials rather than reverse the match result (because Gold Medal match had already been wrestled). BTW, Nate - and all his brothers - were products of Erie, PA (NW corner of Pennsy) although he's listed as hailing from WV because I believe he went there to coach at WVU after finishing his ISU career (believe one of his younger brothers was wrestling there iirc).

 

[Dogwelder]

Nice pic from the Iowa papers:

Whenever you can turn your opponent's face red like a ripe tomato, you take that opportunity.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Nice pic from the Iowa papers:

Awesome pic - shows how he locked in a textbook Spladle defending the low single shot....he's about 3/4 way through role and you can see him throw his leg straight back between Mullet's legs to maintain position on finish. IMO, it also shows he likely had Brooks pinned before his own shoulders went back and you can see why ref immediately went to Spladle side.

 

[Real-Lion]

If you can do it, try to not watch a match, then go to the boards and read what is said. Then go and watch the matches. Its pure entertainment if you can forego the need to know what happened.

Im pretty sure in the moment I would have been as critical as others on the boards, but having a day to let the match marinate only knowing we won gave me a different perspective.

quick hitters
- our TRUE freshman lost close matches to two 5th year senior returning all american hawkeyes at their place on TV in primetime. take the names away and just say that outloud. Should make any hawkeye fan shutter and any PSU fan stand and clap.
- the worst zain could be vs the best the sorenson could be was still a win for Zain. anything more than that and its fanspeak.
- Ive always been a closeted VRaptor fan, but I may join spyker on the picket line. Was Pfar just having that bad of a night or is Cutch in small slump. Guys have figured out his 197 gameplan, so either he has to change that up or he/we could be snake bit in St. Louis
- Nato, Pletch, MyMar, BoJo, Moore, Snyder could put the HR into full snowflake mode. Popcorn ready.

Well we should be having a wrestle off at 33 and 97 this week...Time is running out so lets hope Law and Cassar get there chances !!!! Hall will be fine. First match against an AA and lost by 1 point...That guy will never beat him again....I told everyone that Nick would beat Gilman and almost did...Nick was very nervous in the first period and tight...Look out now !!!! Our guys needed a match like that one last night to be pushed....Praise can be poison....Be aware now !!!!

 

[RoarLions1]

Good post Roar. I agree with 95% of it. One exception: Carton gassed. But Jimmy made him gas.

Yeah, my post looks like I'm talking about all 20 guys. I didn't intend it that way...only meant the 10 good guys...you know, the ones in Blue & White.

 

[El-Jefe]

Whenever you can turn your opponent's face red like a ripe tomato, you take that opportunity.

Brooks looks like Bo just had some bad Mex.

 

[slushhead]

Brooks looks like Bo just had some bad Mex.

Or "Oh, sh*t -- Coach is gonna KILL me!" Pure panic in those eyes.

Seriously, though, I can't believe he tried to step up with the outside leg when Bo was already draped over his back...Almost like no one had ever tried to spladle him in his wrestling career, so he didn't know what the setup felt like. I felt like it was happening in slow-motion for me while watching, and I was thinking "What....no....way.....he....gives....him....that....Holy.....Wow."

 

[Azchief32]

If you can do it, try to not watch a match, then go to the boards and read what is said. Then go and watch the matches. Its pure entertainment if you can forego the need to know what happened.

Im pretty sure in the moment I would have been as critical as others on the boards, but having a day to let the match marinate only knowing we won gave me a different perspective.

quick hitters
- our TRUE freshman lost close matches to two 5th year senior returning all american hawkeyes at their place on TV in primetime. take the names away and just say that outloud. Should make any hawkeye fan shutter and any PSU fan stand and clap.
- the worst zain could be vs the best the sorenson could be was still a win for Zain. anything more than that and its fanspeak.
- Ive always been a closeted VRaptor fan, but I may join spyker on the picket line. Was Pfar just having that bad of a night or is Cutch in small slump. Guys have figured out his 197 gameplan, so either he has to change that up or he/we could be snake bit in St. Louis
- Nato, Pletch, MyMar, BoJo, Moore, Snyder could put the HR into full snowflake mode. Popcorn ready.

- our TRUE freshman lost close matches to two 5th year senior returning all american hawkeyes at their place on TV in primetime. take the names away and just say that outloud. Should make any hawkeye fan shutter and any PSU fan stand and clap.--Some of you picked Suriano and most had a close match. If I would have suggested that Cael had better not bring Hall out at Carver because Meyer would beat him, I would have been laughed out of here. Say it out loud...I'm sure some you will still reflexively giggle. Anything else is FanSpin

- the worst zain could be vs the best the sorenson could be was still a win for Zain. anything more than that and its fanspeak. So it's settled...Zain did have the flu.

- Ive always been a closeted VRaptor fan, but I may join spyker on the picket line. Was Pfar just having that bad of a night or is Cutch in small slump. Guys have figured out his 197 gameplan, so either he has to change that up or he/we could be snake bit in St. Louis

- Nato, Pletch, MyMar, BoJo, Moore, Snyder could put the HR into full snowflake mode. Popcorn ready. Thought a loss to PSU was supposed to do that

 

[RandyL]

I would say that picture suggests that Bo is calmly contemplating some arcane philosophical issue, while Brooks is contemplating...the abyss.

Btw, this morning I put Roars 7-minutes to the test. I allocated 7 minutes to finally cleaning my house. I started off at a furious pace, but approaching the 5-minute mark, my back was killing me, and I felt winded going up the stairs. I think my fatigue started off mental before becoming physical, as I hate cleaning house.

 

[NittanyLion84]

Good post Roar. I agree with 95% of it. One exception: Carton gassed. But Jimmy made him gas.

Cael mentioned Jimmy's endless gas tank. Makes you think he should borrow a page from Conaway's match playbook.

 

[Dogwelder]

... So it's settled...Zain did have the flu ...

Ha ha. When your guy wins, you get to talk about the flu. When your guy loses, you don't get to talk about the flu. That's how it works.

 

[WildTurk]

If you can do it, try to not watch a match, then go to the boards and read what is said. Then go and watch the matches. Its pure entertainment if you can forego the need to know what happened.

Im pretty sure in the moment I would have been as critical as others on the boards, but having a day to let the match marinate only knowing we won gave me a different perspective.

quick hitters
- our TRUE freshman lost close matches to two 5th year senior returning all american hawkeyes at their place on TV in primetime. take the names away and just say that outloud. Should make any hawkeye fan shutter and any PSU fan stand and clap.
- the worst zain could be vs the best the sorenson could be was still a win for Zain. anything more than that and its fanspeak.
- Ive always been a closeted VRaptor fan, but I may join spyker on the picket line. Was Pfar just having that bad of a night or is Cutch in small slump. Guys have figured out his 197 gameplan, so either he has to change that up or he/we could be snake bit in St. Louis
- Nato, Pletch, MyMar, BoJo, Moore, Snyder could put the HR into full snowflake mode. Popcorn ready.

Couple quick hits from me..
-Tom and Nick had the match i expected. Brutes
-Glad to see Clark with the TF. Looks pretty beastly in that brace.
-Carton was in the driver seat until he fell asleep in the 3rd and hit the ditch. Good for Jimmy
-Most on here predicted MD/TF wins for Zain and Nolf. Double OT win and Dec wins instead.
-If Iowa wrestled its true Freshman last night Joesph goes down.
-Maybe 8% of the population gave Meyer a shot of beating the phenom Mark Hall. Especially after his Crutchmer win.
-I love me some Spladles but feel bad for Brooks. After the Boyd match i thought he was ready to rumble with a dangerous man. Needs the mullet back.
-Couple of undersized national qualifiers had a decent match at 97.
Glad to see Nevil's healthy. Wish i could say the same for Sam.

This sure is an easy sport to love. Lots of Highs and feel good moments. But boy it sure has some gut punches aswell. Gotta love it no matter what! What i do know is the Iowa and Penn State are good for wrestling. Cheers on a great dual!

 

[RoarLions1]

I would say that picture suggests that Bo is calmly contemplating some arcane philosophical issue, while Brooks is contemplating...the abyss.

Btw, this morning I put Roars 7-minutes to the test. I allocated 7 minutes to finally cleaning my house. I started off at a furious pace, but approaching the 5-minute mark, my back was killing me, and I felt winded going up the stairs. I think my fatigue started off mental before becoming physical, as I hate cleaning house.

Told ya so . Now do it for 11 minutes and you'll know how Zain felt ...thought this post was worthy of 2 winkie-thingys.

Seriously...hope you're done with housework and get a chance to relax.

 

[RoarLions1]

Couple quick hits from me..
-Tom and Nick had the match i expected. Brutes
-Glad to see Clark with the TF. Looks pretty beastly in that brace.
-Carton was in the driver seat until he fell asleep in the 3rd and hit the ditch. Good for Jimmy
-Most on here predicted MD/TF wins for Zain and Nolf. Double OT win and Dec wins instead.
-If Iowa wrestled its true Freshman last night Joesph goes down.
-Maybe 8% of the population gave Meyer a shot of beating the phenom Mark Hall. Especially after his Crutchmer win.
-I love me some Spladles but feel bad for Brooks. After the Boyd match i thought he was ready to rumble with a dangerous man. Needs the mullet back.
-Couple of undersized national qualifiers had a decent match at 97.
Glad to see Nevil's healthy. Wish i could say the same for Sam.

This sure is an easy sport to love. Lots of Highs and feel good moments. But boy it sure has some gut punches aswell. Gotta love it no matter what! What i do know is the Iowa and Penn State are good for wrestling. Cheers on a great dual!

Love your post, Turk!! Tough for an Iowa guy to come over here and post as you do. You have my respect and admiration.

Only bullet I can't agree with is your fifth.

 

[slushhead]

Love your post, Turk!! Tough for an Iowa guy to come over here and post as you do. You have my respect and admiration.

Only bullet I can't agree with is your fourth.

I agree, and I suspect you meant bullet #5..It was the only one I thought was unfounded. Cannot assume the same type of match or strategy from Joseph with a different opponent out there.

 

[21Guns]

Disagree with all the angst over Mouse: He WON the match, and made every mistake in the book, but STILL WON THE MATCH. Also, that kid he beat? Took Weigel right down to the wire, and Weigel is gong to AA this year. He did what he had to do to get his hand raised. That's how he wrestles. Some guys need to win like that, some don't. He is a 184 pounder, who is once again making the sacrifice for the team. Just like Conaway, Brown, English, Vollrath, and on and on and on. That's also part of the Cael dynasty: WE have kids who do whatever it takes for the TEAM. I'm on BOTH Team Mouse and Team Cassar. Whoever Cael calls out starting in Feb, let's get behind it.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Or "Oh, sh*t -- Coach is gonna KILL me!" Pure panic in those eyes.

Seriously, though, I can't believe he tried to step up with the outside leg when Bo was already draped over his back...Almost like no one had ever tried to spladle him in his wrestling career, so he didn't know what the setup felt like. I felt like it was happening in slow-motion for me while watching, and I was thinking "What....no....way.....he....gives....him....that....Holy.....Wow."

Picture also shows he held onto ankle way too long which is the only thing that allowed Bo to finish it.... He should have abandoned the ankle at the very least when Bo locked onto his outside knee. He probably still gives up the TD to Bo, but he would have avoided the spladle because you need that locked in to complete the roll.

 

[21Guns]

It's not like you can plan to go out and say "Ok, whatever I do tonight, I just need to avoid the spladle..." LMAO.

It was a great move, by a great wrestler who makes great moves.

 

[21Guns]

Ha ha. When your guy wins, you get to talk about the flu. When your guy loses, you don't get to talk about the flu. That's how it works.

Here is how it works: When my guy wins, it's because of the beer I am drinking and the angle I am watching the big screen on. When my guy loses, it's because I forgot to place the Pizza on the card table at the correct angle, and I did not have the proper rock song on the stereo, pre game.

There. Fixed it for you.

 

[21Guns]

As Roar said, I will repeat: NOBODY in Blue and White gassed. That means nobody, including Cenzo. He needs to learn how to follow through and finish his leads better.

 

[slushhead]

Disagree with all the angst over Mouse: He WON the match, and made every mistake in the book, but STILL WON THE MATCH. Also, that kid he beat? Took Weigel right down to the wire, and Weigel is gong to AA this year. He did what he had to do to get his hand raised. That's how he wrestles. Some guys need to win like that, some don't. He is a 184 pounder, who is once again making the sacrifice for the team. Just like Conaway, Brown, English, Vollrath, and on and on and on. That's also part of the Cael dynasty: WE have kids who do whatever it takes for the TEAM. I'm on BOTH Team Mouse and Team Cassar. Whoever Cael calls out starting in Feb, let's get behind it.

He's not doing it for the team. If he had his way, he'd be at 184. He had a choice of 197, bench, transfer, or quit wrestling. Of those 4 options, he chose 197 for himself. Obviously nothing wrong with that at all, but let's not build up "team first" ideals where they are not applicable.

 

[WildTurk]

I agree, and I suspect you meant bullet #5..It was the only one I thought was unfounded. Cannot assume the same type of match or strategy from Joseph with a different opponent out there.

#5 was added for a little spice. Although i do feel Marinelli would have beat last nights Joesph in the 3rd period.

 

[Dogwelder]

Here is how it works: When my guy wins, it's because of the beer I am drinking and the angle I am watching the big screen on. When my guy loses, it's because I forgot to place the Pizza on the card table at the correct angle, and I did not have the proper rock song on the stereo, pre game.

There. Fixed it for you.

Agreed. Your rule is even better. If Ryan reads this thread, he will know what to say and not say next time for sure. Our work is done.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

It's not like you can plan to go out and say "Ok, whatever I do tonight, I just need to avoid the spladle..." LMAO.

It was a great move, by a great wrestler who makes great moves.

Don't disagree with that, but Brooks was very slow in understanding what was happening against a guy you can't make small mistakes on......let alone major mistakes. When Bo went over the top and locked on "at the knee" rather than the ankle, Mullet should have said "uh oh" to himself abandoned the ankle he was locked on and tried to move up to a Hi-C. Again, he probably still gets taken down as his head was buried, but he probably should have been able to avoid being pinned via Spladle imho.

 

[slushhead]

It's not like you can plan to go out and say "Ok, whatever I do tonight, I just need to avoid the spladle..." LMAO.

It was a great move, by a great wrestler who makes great moves.

Did someone suggest that Brooks should plan to go out to avoid the spladle or any other move?

It's simple -- you react to what your opponent does. You're in on a leg with head inside and you feel your opponent's weight draped over your back (even for a split second), you keep your inside leg way back and scoop behind/beneath the leg you're holding with your inside hand/arm. The last thing you do is step up with your inside leg. It comes with muscle memory for that move. Brooks either didn't recognize it or he had a major lapse in judgment.

Oh, and Bo did a masterful job getting it locked up when Brooks did finally realize what he had done.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Did someone suggest that Brooks should plan to go out to avoid the spladle or any other move?

It's simple -- you react to what your opponent does. You're in on a leg with head inside and you feel your opponent's weight draped over your back (even for a split second), you keep your inside leg way back and scoop behind/beneath the leg you're holding with your inside hand/arm. The last thing you do is step up with your inside leg. It comes with muscle memory for that move. Brooks either didn't recognize it or he had a major lapse in judgment.

Oh, and Bo did a masterful job getting it locked up when Brooks did finally realize what he had done.

Yes, he did what you're always taught, fire your free leg between opponents legs on the roll to maintain your opponent's positioning relative to you and then use it to drape over the back of the knee of your opponents free leg after rolling through.

 

[AgSurfer]

Cael mentioned Jimmy's endless gas tank. Makes you think he should borrow a page from Conaway's match playbook.

Jimmy did, but not in the way you are implying. I noticed last year that Jimmy has a habit of keeping his right arm around the opponents thigh when he hits a high crotch single. If you watched Conaway, he would immediately bring his right arm out and reach across the opposite thigh or hip to prevent the guy from sliding around him. Jimmy didn't do that when he went for his first TD at the beginning of the match, but if you watch a replay, you'll see how he changed his style and covered across Cartons opposite leg. Every one of his 3rd period takedowns was textbook perfect. He will AA this year if he can wrestle like that.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Did someone suggest that Brooks should plan to go out to avoid the spladle or any other move?

It's simple -- you react to what your opponent does. You're in on a leg with head inside and you feel your opponent's weight draped over your back (even for a split second), you keep your inside leg way back and scoop behind/beneath the leg you're holding with your inside hand/arm. The last thing you do is step up with your inside leg. It comes with muscle memory for that move. Brooks either didn't recognize it or he had a major lapse in judgment.

Oh, and Bo did a masterful job getting it locked up when Brooks did finally realize what he had done.

He also held onto the ankle way, way too long and way after he should have realized that he made a serious mistake letting Bo get to his outside knee. Once Bo had locked on the outside knee because he was foolishly trying to "step up" with it, he should have abandoned the ankle and tried to get his head and shoulders higher.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

- our TRUE freshman lost close matches to two 5th year senior returning all american hawkeyes at their place on TV in primetime. take the names away and just say that outloud. Should make any hawkeye fan shutter and any PSU fan stand and clap.--Some of you picked Suriano and most had a close match. If I would have suggested that Cael had better not bring Hall out at Carver because Meyer would beat him, I would have been laughed out of here. Say it out loud...I'm sure some you will still reflexively giggle. Anything else is FanSpin

- the worst zain could be vs the best the sorenson could be was still a win for Zain. anything more than that and its fanspeak. So it's settled...Zain did have the flu.

- Ive always been a closeted VRaptor fan, but I may join spyker on the picket line. Was Pfar just having that bad of a night or is Cutch in small slump. Guys have figured out his 197 gameplan, so either he has to change that up or he/we could be snake bit in St. Louis

- Nato, Pletch, MyMar, BoJo, Moore, Snyder could put the HR into full snowflake mode. Popcorn ready. Thought a loss to PSU was supposed to do that

Yes, I would've giggled at the thought of Meyer beating Hall before the match. Also, I think most here recognize Sorenson brought it last night. Lots of great wrestling last night. Too bad about Stoll. That would've been an interesting match.

 

[lionlover]

Love your post, Turk!! Tough for an Iowa guy to come over here and post as you do. You have my respect and admiration.

Only bullet I can't agree with is your fourth.

Objection your honor! The fifth point brought about by the Iowa defendant is pure speculation!!

 

[raslen007]

Times have really changed. PSU just demolished Iowa 26-11 in CHA and the Hawkeye fans are crowing with joy and the PSU faithful is frustrated. ( 3) 5/th year seniors for Iowa won against two true freshman and a backup. The expectations for the 2 programs have certainly changed. The sad thing is the gap only widens from here.
We learned tonight that they are who some thought they are- not a title threat team. Time to move on and find out if tOSU is a title threat or not. OSU might be the only real threat.

Strange days indeed. Hard to imagine the Iowa fan base celebrating moral victories after getting blown out by a much younger team at home.

I was wrong about suriano vs gilman. I thought there would be more of a gap between the 2 and there clearly is not.

So very true!

 

[NittanyLion84]

Jimmy did, but not in the way you are implying. I noticed last year that Jimmy has a habit of keeping his right arm around the opponents thigh when he hits a high crotch single. If you watched Conaway, he would immediately bring his right arm out and reach across the opposite thigh or hip to prevent the guy from sliding around him. Jimmy didn't do that when he went for his first TD at the beginning of the match, but if you watch a replay, you'll see how he changed his style and covered across Cartons opposite leg. Every one of his 3rd period takedowns was textbook perfect. He will AA this year if he can wrestle like that.

I was referring to Conaway's approach of pushing the pace very hard, from the start of the match, through all three periods. He wore out a lot guys with that strategy. Jimmy usually does a lot of feeling out his opponent in the first.

 

[nitlion6]

Since that is exactly what happened that night I would have to say ..... Yes, it can happen. He has electric stuff and a wide variety of shots, could be adrenaline dump, could be a number of things. He goes from being very aggressive to no shots at all and stumbling on the mat. We simply disagree. He'll figure it out either way, I like where he's at.

Sorry. Guns is right. Still had gas in his gas tank at Nebraska. Last night his energy level in the third was less than earlier, but he had enough to control the ties against an Iowa opponent.

 

[nitlion6]

Clutch gets banged 2x (not moving up I get) 2nd one to tie the match...BS

Second one was the fastest 5 count on record

 

[nitlion6]

Didn't they find out Cortez was unavailable for the season before Rutgers?

Nope. It was this week

 

[nitlion6]

#5 was added for a little spice. Although i do feel Marinelli would have beat last nights Joesph in the 3rd period.

Probably not.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Second one was the fastest 5 count on record

The second was a little suspect imho because it came off a reversal where Matt essentially gained control by grabbing the lower legs. In that situation, the bottom wrestler should not be subject to a 5-Count immediately upon completing a reversal and never having better position than he first had on gaining the reversal. Really didn't like that call - was the rule correctly applied there?

 

[21Guns]

The second was a little suspect imho because it came off a reversal where Matt essentially gained control by grabbing the lower legs. In that situation, the bottom wrestler should not be subject to a 5-Count immediately upon completing a reversal and never having better position than he first had on gaining the reversal. Really didn't like that call - was the rule correctly applied there?

At Carver? Yes. That's the correct application against an Iowa visiting team, at Carver. Anywhere else? Probably not.