I don't envy the decision Cael will eventually have to make at 197. AC and SR have both had to sit out due to injuries and both have earned the right to fight to be starter. I have been a big fan of MM and really wanted to see him go out as an AA, but the back injury has probably ended that goal. I lean to SR, but Cael has plenty of time to let this play out. We have two duals next week (Purdue and Maryland) and I think Cael will split the duals again between AC and SR.
PSU - MSU Dual Thread
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Yep! Being able to beat your team mates doesn't score a single point in March. There are worse problems to have than having 3 competent guys at 197.
Malik Amine says thank goodness Zain was underwhelming or he may have lost a few limbs.
Short version: Nevills WBF 6:32, was up 17-4 at the time.
Even though not the best opponent, definitely much more active.
285: #8 Nick Nevills vs. Matt Lloyd
Per 1
Nevills in on a single, drives thru and gets the TD, 2-0. Working on the right side. Lloyd gets up and out after a bit of a ride, 2-1. Nevills in on another single and drives thru fro another TD, 4-1. Working the right side again. Not a lot of movement by either guy. Lloyd is out, 4-2. Then Nevills in again for a TD, 6-2, and flattens out Lloyd. End.
Per 2
Lloyd chooses neutral. Nevills in on a single and nearly turns Lloyd, 8-2. Nevills up under the chin and he turns Lloyd, and gets swipes, 12-2. Lloyd rolls to his stomach. Nevills cuts Lloyd, 12-3. Nevills in on a low single, drives thru to get the TD, 14-3. End. RT over 3 min
Per 3
Nevills takes bottom. He's up quickly and out, 15-3. Nevills in quickly, gets the TD and tries to get back points. Lloyd doesn't cooperate, so it's 17-3. Nevills trying to run an arm bar, but Lloyd gets the arm free. Nevills cuts Lloyd, but he doesn't get free, then Nevills tries to lock a cradle, can't lock it, and then he turns him, he tightens him, and he gets the pin at the 6:35 mark!!!!!!
48-3, PSU
Per 1
Nevills in on a single, drives thru and gets the TD, 2-0. Working on the right side. Lloyd gets up and out after a bit of a ride, 2-1. Nevills in on another single and drives thru fro another TD, 4-1. Working the right side again. Not a lot of movement by either guy. Lloyd is out, 4-2. Then Nevills in again for a TD, 6-2, and flattens out Lloyd. End.
Per 2
Lloyd chooses neutral. Nevills in on a single and nearly turns Lloyd, 8-2. Nevills up under the chin and he turns Lloyd, and gets swipes, 12-2. Lloyd rolls to his stomach. Nevills cuts Lloyd, 12-3. Nevills in on a low single, drives thru to get the TD, 14-3. End. RT over 3 min
Per 3
Nevills takes bottom. He's up quickly and out, 15-3. Nevills in quickly, gets the TD and tries to get back points. Lloyd doesn't cooperate, so it's 17-3. Nevills trying to run an arm bar, but Lloyd gets the arm free. Nevills cuts Lloyd, but he doesn't get free, then Nevills tries to lock a cradle, can't lock it, and then he turns him, he tightens him, and he gets the pin at the 6:35 mark!!!!!!
48-3, PSU
It appears that Casey Cunningham will be Byer's post-match guest. I have to cut out, so I'll leave it to someone else to summarize what Coach Cunningham has to say
Yes, Gasca was severely impaired at Nationals . . . but my recollection is that it was a shoulder injury suffered in the B1G final.
Cassar wrestled within himself. I think that "I" have been spoiled by Zain, Nolf, Joseph, Hall and Nickel, all who wrestle before Cassar. So much offense from them and then we get a slower pace with Cassar. With that stated: Shakur is the man.
Console?
If anything, I'm betting they encourage him and note their appreciation for his effort. Maybe give some technical feedback, too. You know, good coach/teammate kind of stuff.
Thorn beat McKenna, so the Nick Lee vs Thorn bout will be a factor too.
An important point in bold. Last year at nationals, the R12 losers scored between 1.5 pts (lowest possible without bonus) and 5 pts. So when people talk about a R12 guy, unless they are bonus point machines, they only contribute 1.5-2 points. A guy like Rasheed is like a 4-5 point guy if a R12 loser. Finding offensive guys who can score bonus is a bigger deal than some think.
That is a very sad and pathetic post that says much about you.
Well fought Devin. We, other than Bruce, very much appreciate your effort.
Agree he should be in Top 10 and ahead of Alber. The question is how far McKenna falls, how high Thorn rises, and whether Lee is slotted higher than either or both. Tough call, but I'm betting it goes something like*:
6 Zacherl
7 Thorn
8 McKenna
9 Lee
10 Alber
A case could be made that McKenna's underwhelming margin of victory over
Best-case is that Alber jumps McKenna and stays ahead of Thorn, with Lee slotted ahead of Alber (so, 7-Lee, 8-Alber, 9-Thorn, 10-McKenna).
* Using InterMat rankings
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Hasn't Lee lost to Yianni and Zacherl, and has yet to face Meredith, Jack, Eierman, or Heil? Can't see him cracking Top 6 at this point in time.
If he cancels out McKenna, that would be nice
Agreed. Forget about actual placement, if Lee finishes higher at NCAAs than McKenna that is a HUGE plus for us.
It ain't the 3rd weekend in March yet. Just you wait.
True . . . my at this point in time inclusion was meant to convey that, but perhaps I should have italicized it originally.
I have a question(s). I did not watch the meet. Was Zain’s opponent hitting Zain so hard and so repeatedly that it was bad sportsmanship? In general, what do you do as a coach if your own athlete is showing bad sportsmanship? How bad would the behavior have to be before you forfeit to teach your own athlete a lesson?
I feel like he's got a really good shot to outscore McKenna, let alone cancel him out.
It was clearly unsportsmanlike and the point was justified, but it wasn't really THAT bad. The worst episode was at a break when Amine shoved Zain fairly forcefully after Zain hurt Amine's little ankle (and it was typical bow and arrow stuff, nothing dirty or vicious). As for forfeiting, in this case it didn't make a difference, but I'm not sure that I've ever seen it happen in college. Youth, Jr. High or high school are a different matter, but I'm still of the belief that you allow some of this stuff because it is an emotional sport and you want competitive wrestlers. Deal with the discipline later in the practice room (and in this case the discipline was handled quite splendidly by Zain on the mat).
First, the calls on the head slaps were unnecessary roughness -- 1 pt. each (2x). I'm not sure there is a limit on that, beyond it causing the opponent to not be able to continue due to injury from it -- in which case a DQ might be in order? Not sure.
The shove between periods was unsportsmanlike conduct -- 1 pt. You are allowed only one of those. A second occurrence within a match is an automatic DQ.
As far as the head slaps go, I have seen far worse than what Amine did, and I have seen Zain be rougher in that regard. In fact, I suspect the emphasis on decreasing the head stuff this season has come about due to chirping about Zain (just like with the new emphasis on calling stalling on top guy if he puts legs in on a standing opponent). When you're at the top, you get a lot of scrutiny and criticism.
Anyhow, Amine's slaps weren't egregious -- just ill-advised.
Unnecessary roughness is;
1st Violation - 1 Point
2nd Violation - 1 Points
3rd Violation - 2 Points
4th Violation - DQ
Unsportsmanlike conduct (during a match...before/after are different);
1st Violation - 1 Point
2nd Violation - DQ
I'm with slush on the severity...seen far worse too. Mr. Amine's trouble was not listening to the referee. He was warned first, then continued, so the ref had no choice.
The emphasis this year, as I understand, is to stop it before it escalates, so make the warning at the first sign, in the ref's mind, that it's more than just head-tapping.
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Much to an opponent's dismay, those tend to come without warning.
But the penalty tends to be a 6-pt move to a fall.
Chad Red also beat Thorn, but he appears to be struggling as of late. Red owns some big HS wins over Nick. Will be fun to see them again at Bigs.
Yeah, saw that, and it will be fun. Discounted the Red over Thorn win a little, as it was not a B1G Dual, though it can/will be used by the Seeding Committee as a tie-breaker, at the least. Red has been beaten by Carr (Ill), and Limmex (Pur) recently, as you alluded, and without a marquee match-up the rest of the way, it may be tough for him to reach top-3. Lee, on the other hand, gets both McKenna and Thorn...just the way he wants it, with conference tournament seeding completely within his control.
To clarify, just one HS win.... Red vs Lee was an epic match if you haven't seen it. Center mat, under the lights in front of 12,000+. Red rode Lee most of the 3rd period to take a 6-5 win and preserve an undefeated 4x State Champ HS career. Lee wrestled 3 years and lost only to Stevan Micic as a frosh in the state semifinals and to Red in the final his junior year.
Thanks Fan. I have to think Nick will be looking forward to squaring off again in March. Should be a lot of fun to watch.
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