PSU - Wisconsin Dual Thread
- Thread starter Tom McAndrew
- Start date
they were saying 'stallmate' the entire time. One would think there are enough ex-wrestlers in the world to do the color on these matches... but when you're up against young kids trying to make a carreer...One of the BTN2Go announcers had some difficulty today with some of the play-by-play calls. Two or three times during the match, he said they restarted due to stalling, instead of saying stalemate.
But the funniest comment of the day was during Morgan McIntosh's match, when that same announcer got a little flustered and referred to him as MorganTosh.
Not quite to the level of the "fist in the back" call, but it may have made a few viewers smile a bit with that slip of the tongue.
One of the BTN2Go announcers had some difficulty today with some of the play-by-play calls. Two or three times during the match, he said they restarted due to stalling, instead of saying stalemate.
But the funniest comment of the day was during Morgan McIntosh's match, when that same announcer got a little flustered and referred to him as MorganTosh.
Not quite to the level of the "fist in the back" call, but it may have made a few viewers smile a bit with that slip of the tongue.
I "flipped" listening to them.
they did say Zain and Cael.... even so, that practice with Zain and Nolf would be well worth a top price admission...
As much as I love Zain, 4-5 OTs with Cael flunks the sniff test. On top of being Cael Freaking Sanderson, he outweighs Zain by 50+ lb. If it happens, it's only because Cael takes it easy on him.
Just got back from the match.
Overall, cannot say enough about the effort. The guys came out to wrestle today and they put on a show.
Nico was Nico. Taylor didn't wrestle, probably something to do with losing to Forys. Kade got it done in a good win. Zain is lucky he didn't get charged with a felony. Ruschell looked noticably bigger but Nolf was just better.
Morelli, what a match. Great effort and he was hurting after, had a big ice pack on his right thigh and was a little wobbly coming off the mat. Always hate to see a guy lose with literally .2 seconds left but Zeke is a gamer and knew the situation. He was smiling a bit afterwards, I think he knew he got a little more than he was expecting. The majority of it was pretty boring and I think both guys were comfortable taking it down to the final 30 seconds, hate those kinds of matches but usually goes as a mutual. Would be interesting to see Rasheed against Isaac with his length.
Nickal was looking for the pin and lost out on a tech opportunity, Cael came up to him afterwards and Nickal said "I know". Great to see a 14 point major is leaving people dissatisfied. McCutcheon poured on yet another dominant major against a solid opponent. Just getting it done. Morgan did his thing.
Have to give a shout out to Van Cura. Stepped up and in and faced a truly large man. Didn't get teched or pinned which is what you want at this point. Takes guts and even got a shot in (although it didn't work).
Three other interesting match points - 1. The concussion protocol is great and love that it's taking that precaution into account. Definitely affected match-flow but safety should always be first, especially after the US and World Report. 2. Lots of booing at the ref, despite the rule change that the announcers pointed out. 3. Disheartening to once again see a mass fan exodus at 285, especially when your guy puts his guts on the mat for the team. Disappointing.
Great match overall.
Was at the match, and was very impressed with the effort of the whole team. I don't know if anyone else caught this, but the announcer
at the arena must have had his mike on by accident, and on a Nolf takedown uttered "sweet". Swear I heard it. Also ,the guy sitting behind me was a former official and was very annoyed with the ref for holding the set on the restarts.
Did anyone else think Bo got a little gassed toward the end of his match? My father thought so but he is often over critical. Then a couple guys having a beer afterward felt same way. I didn't even think of it and thought he exerted an immense amount of energy in the beginning looking for the pin. Thoughts?
Had the same thoughts watching it. Not a shape thing, I think Bo just screwed up his pace in the match looking for the fall in the first. I thought he ran out of gas late in the second. You could see his breathing was really labored on the restarts. Happens. Wasn't there, but I would guess there was a lot of enthusiasm running through the BJC with the run of Zpain's match, Nolf's match and then the near Morelli upset. Bo probably got a little caught up in it.
yea, maybe a little but he also got himself tied up and an opening for him (that he likes) never appeared. Will be interesting what the other coaches scout of him as the season goes on. Obviously they would want to slow him down like Martin tried...
I had the same observation. Bo lead 11-1 (I think) after 1st, got a pretty quick escape in the 2nd, and then didn't do anything for the next 3 minutes or so. I thought for sure he would try for the TF, but, as you state, I think he worked really hard for the pin the the 1st period and just wore himself out.
You should tell that former official he ought to keep up with the rule changes re starting from the referee's position. Heck, they even announced what the rule change was in the arena. Once both wrestlers are set the official waits at least one second before blowing the whistle. The was fine, the wrestlers just haven't fully adjusted to this change yet.
I thought I saw blood on Bo's head during that match. Certainly would explain the second half, he just couldn't finish him off and seemed a bit off.
Thought Cael and crew did a great job for this dual. My seats were in the nose bleed section, so I couldn't see some of the details others did. Bo came out in typical Bo fashion in the first period. In the second and third period I thought he had injured either his right arm or shoulder as he wasn't using his right arm for portions of both periods.
Zain and Nolf are always great to watch. Always pushing the action, never a dull moment.
Great effort by Morelli as well. Wouldn't be surprised if we see him against Rider. Cael in his post match interview basically confirmed what others have posted that the Scuffle results will probably settle the 165 starter.
Was glad to see McCutcheon back in form.
Kudos to Van Cura for the effort.
There was no announcement of the attendance, but it was a good sized crowd.
Zain and Nolf are always great to watch. Always pushing the action, never a dull moment.
Great effort by Morelli as well. Wouldn't be surprised if we see him against Rider. Cael in his post match interview basically confirmed what others have posted that the Scuffle results will probably settle the 165 starter.
Was glad to see McCutcheon back in form.
Kudos to Van Cura for the effort.
There was no announcement of the attendance, but it was a good sized crowd.
He knew about the rule change, but felt the official was holding the set way too long.
correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the rule states that the ref will hold the whistle at least one second, not exactly one second.
I imagine the rule was put in place to make it more difficult for wrestlers to anticipate the start. With that in mind I have no problem with each ref having his own style ... it's up to the wrestlers to adjust, not the refs to accommodate.
I imagine the rule was put in place to make it more difficult for wrestlers to anticipate the start. With that in mind I have no problem with each ref having his own style ... it's up to the wrestlers to adjust, not the refs to accommodate.
You are absolutely correct on all counts. The fans around me hadn't caught up with the rule change yet, as they were blaming every false start on the referee. Thought he did a fine job myself.
Here's the new rule. Keep in mind, rule changes are made in 2 year cycles, so barring a catastrophe regarding the new rule or enormous public outcry, it's here until 2017-18.
"Once the offensive wrestler assumes the correct starting position, the
referee shall say, “Set.” At this time the offensive wrestler shall remain
stationary (motionless) and the referee shall wait a minimum of one
second before sounding the whistle. With both wrestlers stationary
(motionless), the referee will start the wrestling."
I think Roar is getting to the root of the problem. The college rule was changed, and many fans are not aware of the change.
Plus, a lot of folks have background or experience in youth or high school wrestling, and the rule is now different between college and youth/high school. The rule for youth/high school is:
"The referee shall direct the offensive wrestler to assume a legal starting position once the defensive wrestler is stationary in a legal starting position. Once the offensive wrestler has assumed a legal starting position and is stationary, the referee shall verbally say "set" and then pause momentarily before starting wrestling."
I was speaking with a college ref last week. He indicated that in his pre-match discussion with the wrestlers, he stresses to them that he has a slow whistle, as the new college rule is that the ref has to wait at least a second -- not that the limit for the pause is 1 sec.
It's interesting that we had this discussion after the VT dual, where the same ref officiated. To some extent, I don't think Ironhead's commentary is helping (for those that heard his radio broadcast), as he was basically saying the ref was at fault, and I don't think that's accurate (though I wasn't at the BJC, and didn't see video of the match).
i understand the new rules. I was only adding a commentary (going back to va tech thread) that when one official has so many false starts, he/she may be the root cause of it - albeit a certain motion, movement, who knows. Bottom line, you don't move until the whistle blows.
As a fan, the ref is always wrong. Always.
If the other guy gets the call ,then the ref is clearly wrong. If we get the call, it is only to make up for all the other times the ref got it wrong. The ref was wrong to get all the other calls wrong and wrong for giving us the make up call.
What is wrong with these people!
The staple job looks like something one might have done on Jackass or some show like that. The fix is a bigger issue than the problem.
One of several reasons I like it when the match starts at a random weight. I wrestled Hwt & it used to tick me off that the only time people stayed to see me wrestle was if the match was on my shoulders. If it was in the bag, they were too concerned about getting a jump on traffic.
I also think it's good to let some of the other weights feel that pressure on them from time to time. Good for their mental development.
When he said sweet my whole section started laughing cause the action and that moment was SWEET! still makes me laugh typing this and thinking about it.
Similar threads
