No it doesn't mean that. That's what you want it to mean. If the call was wrong they would have used those exact words. Too tight means they wouldn't have called it not that it wasn't legitimate. Too tight is an opinion not an absolute
Refs Strike Again at Michigan
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I'm stating facts. I said the flag shouldn't have been thrown and the Big Ten is saying the same. The Big Ten and I agree. You are the odd man out. That's your problem.
You aren't stating facts. You're stating an opinion based on your inability to take things at face value. Words matter which is why you don’t use them.
No, it's a fact. I stated that the flag should not have been thrown. Post 107.
Big Ten said the flag should not have been thrown. Post 166. (others posted the same prior).
Both posts exist. It's a fact. You can go look at them and see they are real. The Big Ten and I agree. There is no opinion. Just a statement of facts.
Next up? Tell me they don't exist? Or I didn't mean what I meant, and only you know what I really meant? lmfao....
He's up to his typical nonsense - stating the diametric opposite of reality and claiming his lunacy is the actual reality.... - just an insufferable douche troll. Specifically, he keeps saying that the league has not said that the flag should not have been thrown and this is factually false - the League's Coordinator of Officials, Bill Carullo, is the very party who would have changed the Officiating Mechanics on kickoffs... and he has stated to PJ Fleck specifically that "the flag should not have been thrown". In addition, the League's Formal Statement summarizing Carullo's changes to the Kickoff Officiating Mechanics is perfectly consistent with Carullo's statement to PJ Fleck stating that the the changes to the Officiating Mechanics would help ensure that "correct judgement" would be "consistently applied" in the future (again, a statement perfectly consistent with Carullo's statement to Fleck indicating that incorrect judgement had been applied on the play and no flag should have been thrown.). But toolboy is nuts that the Coordinator of Officials, Carullo, does not speak for the league in regards to this play and the changes the League made to Officiating Mechanics - and Carullo told Fleck "the flag should not have been thrown" - and the Statement issued by Conference is 100% consistent with this, so he's diametrically factually wrong as per usual.
The problem goes beyond B10 officials just helping the B2. The money involved has corrupted the integrity of the game. It was obvious Friday night at the end of the Miami VA Tech. It was obvious on Saturday at the end of the Michigan game.
The only solution is the end of conference level officials and have all P4 games officiated by a national pool of officials.
The only solution is the end of conference level officials and have all P4 games officiated by a national pool of officials.
107 doesn't say the call was wrong
166 doesn't say the call was wrong
That's what you want it to mean. The NCAA has not once said the ref was wrong or the call was incorrect. So how is it a statement of fact?
I'm confused as to why you're still arguing this if "no one cares" what I think. They clearly never said the call was wrong and they did that intentionally hence it's a rule change.
You're not disagreeing with me. I never referenced NCAA rules. The Big Ten is putting another set of eyes on the line - it's a procedural rule change by the conference.
Agreed. I think you hit the nail on the head and identified the only real fix. But it will never happen.
Let's keep it up folks, love it!
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We should start berating him on all the other threads where he posts drivel.
You're obviously entirely incorrect. "Too tight to call" means exactly that - there's no clear rule violation, therefore, no penalty flag should have been thrown. Therefore, there was no penalty, and calling one was wrong.
There's no interpretation of the English language, nor any logical syllogism, which can support your assertion. There's no requirement that a specific word needs to be used. When they change a call on the field, via review, they don't say "we got it wrong." They say it was reversed. That means they got it wrong. But they didn't explicitly state they got it wrong. But that doesn't matter. Because they don't need to use those exact words. To suggest that would be mind-numbingly stupid. There are many ways to say the same thing. And saying that this instance was too close to warrant throwing a flag means it was wrong to call a penalty.
It doesn't bother me because I'm not and anyone obsessing over it just hates that once again I was right
I think it's adorable you think acting like a child would bother me--I'm used to kids
English, please.
And, no, they did not alter substantive rules.
They realize the call was wrong, per the current substantive rules, so they changed their procedure to include another set of eyes on the line of scrimmage, so they don't mess it up again.
It does not mean that. It means exactly what was said. They wouldn't have called it because "it was too tight". Nowhere in that statement does it say he wasn't offside as you damn well know.
You are using an interpretation to make it what you want it to mean. There's is a requirement for specific words to be used for you to say "they said the call was wrong" which is not "too tight".
The bold ends your argument. It does matter. It's all that matters.
Are you the one that claims to have a law degree and you're telling me words don't matter?
Mine kids are great--so are the grandkids--do yours even speak to you? Doubtful
Although last time I said something like that someone quit the board so me a man and don't cry.
That's exactly what they stated. As stated numerous times, the natural state of things is a play without penalty. Some violation of the rules has to occur in order for a penalty to be called. It's an affirmative change in the natural state of things. If something is too tight to be called, that means there was not enough to support a penalty on the play, and to throw a penalty flag was wrong.
There is no other acceptable interpretation.
There is no such requirement to use certain words.
Saying it was too tight to call the penalty means the penalty shouldn't have been called, and calling it was wrong. Very obvious. Very simple. The only correct interpretation.
It doesn't matter at all. Because saying it was too tight to call the penalty means UNAMBIGUOUSLY that calling the penalty was wrong.
No, I don't claim to have a law degree. I have one. I know for a fact that you don't have a law degree. Or even a basic foundation in literacy or logic.
I never said words don't matter - I said there are many ways to convey the exact same thing.
And, clearly and unequivocally, stating that it was too tight to throw the flag means throwing the flag was wrong.
If I ask what 2+2 equals, and you answer "6" ... I can tell you "you are wrong." That means your answer was incorrect. I can also say "the correct answer is 4." That also means your answer of "6" was incorrect. I don't need to tell you "you are wrong" to convey you are wrong. I can also phrase my response a number of other ways, all indicating that your answer was wrong.
What part of "the flag should not have been thrown" confuses you? It is crystal clear you are confused by it.
The Big Ten and I agree the flag should not have been thrown - meaning, it wasn't a penalty. It's a fact. It was the wrong call. One needn't say "it was the wrong call" for them to believe it was the wrong call. Instead they can say "they shouldn't have thrown the flag." It's equivalent to everyone............ but you..... lol....
It was the wrong call. Duh.
Lol I dont have one based on 30 second replies on my phone. Brilliant.
They didn't say the correct answer was "he was onside". At no point was that said.
Words matter even if you don't take them at face value.
Let's pretend Minnesota sues the Big Ten over this...would a court rule the Big Ten admitted an error...yes or no?
Mine instead of my...oh no....how could anyone figure out what that should have said. Typical desperate move
Again, not a "Rule Change" - Officiating Mechanics have to do with how the game is monitored by Officiating Crew; they are not part of the NCAA Rulebook. Conference Officials, and Officiating Mechanics, are governed, and managed, by each Conference themselves, not the NCAA Rulebook. You are incorrect that Officiating Mechanics (and changes to the Mechanics for a specific situation) are a change to the NCAA Rulebook. The NCAA Rulebook and Rule specifically governing Offsides on Kickoffs (for either team) has not changed one iota contrary to what you, and toolboy, are trying to claim. The definition of what constitutes Offsides for the kicking team on a Kickoff has not changed AT ALL - ZERO, contrary to toolboy troll's claim that the Rulebook, and Rule, were changed because "they" (whoever "they" is in luny-boy's head) didn't like the outcome of the "correct call" that was made in game.... Factually incorrect - the NCAA Rule defining what constitutes Offsides on a Kickoff (again for either team) has not been changed in any way whatsoever (IOW, the B1G, not the NCAA, change the Officiating Mechanics because the incorrect call was made and they specifically stated that the changes were made to the Mechanics to ensure the "correct" call would be made consistently in the future - a statement 100% consistent with the League's Coordinator of Officials telling PJ Fleck personally that "the flag should not have been thrown" and he has taken action in regards to Officiating Mechanics to ensure it does not happen again. The Coordinator of B1G Officials works for the Conference, not the NCAA and does not control the NCAA Rulebook.).
They didn't say that. That's your interpretation of what was said.
The fact you put a non quote in quotes is telling
You still haven't answered what part of "the flag should not have been thrown" confuses you. Fess up. It's clearly a comprehension issue.
That's not what was said
Share the Big Ten statement in which that was said--do it and then you win.
This moron keeps insisting that the league has never said that as if his altered reality, repeated lunatic ravings have anything whatsoever to do with facts or reality. I guess looney-boy believes the Coordinator of Officials, Bill Carullo, doesn't speak for the Conference on such matters because he definitely told PJ Fleck that "The flag should not have been thrown." as reported by multiple sources. This dude is frighteningly separated from reality in his defense of scUM - what's that tell you??? Remember the scUM fans that were insistent that Avant's 2005 toe-heel landing on sideline was a completion despite it clearly being an incompletion as understood by anyone who even has fractional knowledge of the Rules? Notice the similarity between the douches?
I know how much you all hate facts
"The Big Ten, in its statement, did not acknowledge the call was incorrect."
www.espn.com
So what do you all know that ESPN and me (being the only sane person) are missing????
Nothing exists saying the call was wrong. FACT not opinion. Join me in reality.
"The Big Ten, in its statement, did not acknowledge the call was incorrect."
Big Ten alters onside kick protocol after Minn. play
The Big Ten is modifying how it officiates onside kicks after the controversial offside penalty at the end of Saturday's game between Minnesota and Michigan.
So what do you all know that ESPN and me (being the only sane person) are missing????
Nothing exists saying the call was wrong. FACT not opinion. Join me in reality.
Another link
The Big Ten did not admit that Saturday's decision to rule the Gophers offsides was incorrect
www.si.com
The Big Ten did not admit that Saturday's decision to rule the Gophers offsides was incorrect
Big Ten implements change after controversial onside kick call in Gophers-Michigan game
Minnesota was called for offsides after recovering a critical onside kick late in their comeback attempt against Michigan on Saturday.
Yes, sparky. The Big Ten clearly and unequivocally admitted an error. They stated, in no uncertain terms, that there should have been no flag there (i.e. no penalty), and they even went so far as to affirmatively address the failure in the future, by changing how they line up their officials, so multiple officials will have eyes on the line, and they (hopefully) won't make that same mistake of calling a penalty that wasn't a penalty again.
Another link
Though the play did prompt a review and rule change from the Big Ten, the conference did not confirm whether the call was wrong.
bleacherreport.com
I can do this all day--every article say something to the effect "The Big Ten did not admit the call was wrong"
WE ALL KNOW THIS but I'm the idiot
Though the play did prompt a review and rule change from the Big Ten, the conference did not confirm whether the call was wrong.
Big Ten Makes Immediate CFB Rule Change After Controversial Minnesota-Michigan Call
A controversial ending to Saturday's contest between Michigan and Minnesota has sparked a rule change from the Big Ten. Per ESPN's Pete Thamel, the conference…
bleacherreport.com
I can do this all day--every article say something to the effect "The Big Ten did not admit the call was wrong"
WE ALL KNOW THIS but I'm the idiot
They didn't...read all three links I provided.
Everyone, but a handful of people obsessed with me on this board, knows the Big Ten didn't say they were wrong
Every single article about the rule change says those words
I know you hate being wrong and you hate it even more since every time we disagree (every time) you're wrong but you'll learn to accept that someday
Sparky, it's a procedural change. A change in the rules of how the officials proceed to line up. It's a rule change. It's not a change of the NCAA Rules as to what is or is not offsides. It's a Big Ten procedural rule change. Pretty simple.
You shouldn't be trying to argue with me. I'm correct. You entirely misunderstood what I was saying, even after I explained it to you. Knock it off.
Simple yes or no question you should comprehend.Another link
The Big Ten did not admit that Saturday's decision to rule the Gophers offsides was incorrect
Big Ten implements change after controversial onside kick call in Gophers-Michigan game
Minnesota was called for offsides after recovering a critical onside kick late in their comeback attempt against Michigan on Saturday.
Did the b1g suits admit that the call on the field was correct? Yes or no.
You're absolutely insane. You've never once been proven correct about anything we've discussed, and this time is no different. In fact, most times you don't even try to support your failed arguments, you just hope repeating the same unsupported assertion over and over again will wear me out and I'll go away without you having to admit you were wrong. There's something clinically wrong with you.
You've been telling me all day they said they were wrong. Do you need those quotes?
They don't need to confirm a call--they need to advise if it was wrong
Noticed how your argument changed because you lost
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