Hey a## wipe Lando! Mike Pereia said "I don't think he is off sides" after reviewing the film. You just are completely and utterly clueless. But the official knew for sure he was offsides and so it is the correct call, right? Let's face it. You know this board does not like Michigan so you take extreme glee in supporting Michigan and agitating the whole board. That is your little schtick.
Refs Strike Again at Michigan
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The sad thing is, assuming he's trying to make the point to stop blaming officials for everything, and stop focusing on conspiracies or biases ... that's a reasonable stance to take. But he's actually hurting himself by not simply admitting when a bad call was made. Sitting there and poo-poo'ing every complaint about a call is just as bad as the guys like CJFisJoePaII, who just complains nonstop about the calls, and makes up phantom calls to complain about.
He just doesn't understand the nuance of being reasonable, and how that can help you. Everything is extreme and the exact opposite with him.
He just doesn't understand the nuance of being reasonable, and how that can help you. Everything is extreme and the exact opposite with him.
Yes I agree. The conspiracy theories are far fetched. Since it is Michigan he feels compelled to support them at all costs (as with this). I guess to show he is the smartest guy in the room and doesn't buy into conspiracy theories and apparently believing it was the wrong call makes you a conspiracy theorist. Just admit the call was wrong but he never will and hence why he has no credibility.
Moron is wrong again - the league's Coordinator of Officials (Carollo) told Fleck that no flag should have been thrown on the play. How again is that not an admission that a dubious wrong call was made??? Hand-on-my-commando is so pathetically ridiculous, as per usual - go figure.
A brief word about "conspiracies." No, I don't think conference people are sitting down scheming ways to favor Michigan (and Ohio State). It's a lot less exotic than that.
Rather, it's ingrained bias of the standard sort that most people have, which exerts an unconscious influence on snap judgments. Most of us here are biased in favor of Penn State. Put a whistle in our mouths and a striped shirt on our back, and that would probably come into play if we were magically made officials of Penn State games. We wouldn't knowingly or intentionally cheat. We'd just be inclined to see things a certain way. There's no mystery here. It's human nature.
The thing is, we were often the beneficiaries of this while ruling over Eastern football before joining the league. Eastern refs tended to give us the benefit of the doubt. That's what's happening here with respect to the Big-2. I do think an aggravating factor was conference resentment that we would ever dare to think ourselves on par with their precious two Sacred Cows. The league wanted us to know early on that we were not and never would be. Personally, I hated the move as soon as I heard it was going to happen.
But back to Lando. This is funny as hell. Dude's like the human pinata...everyone lining up to take a shot...but he seems to revel in it. Brings to mind the scene in Airplane with Lando playing the role of the hysterical woman:
Rather, it's ingrained bias of the standard sort that most people have, which exerts an unconscious influence on snap judgments. Most of us here are biased in favor of Penn State. Put a whistle in our mouths and a striped shirt on our back, and that would probably come into play if we were magically made officials of Penn State games. We wouldn't knowingly or intentionally cheat. We'd just be inclined to see things a certain way. There's no mystery here. It's human nature.
The thing is, we were often the beneficiaries of this while ruling over Eastern football before joining the league. Eastern refs tended to give us the benefit of the doubt. That's what's happening here with respect to the Big-2. I do think an aggravating factor was conference resentment that we would ever dare to think ourselves on par with their precious two Sacred Cows. The league wanted us to know early on that we were not and never would be. Personally, I hated the move as soon as I heard it was going to happen.
But back to Lando. This is funny as hell. Dude's like the human pinata...everyone lining up to take a shot...but he seems to revel in it. Brings to mind the scene in Airplane with Lando playing the role of the hysterical woman:
PJ Fleck to Pete Thamel.........
"We submitted the play to the Big Ten Coordinator of Officials for review. The Coordinator informed us the play was too tight to flag."
Just as I said. The flag should have stayed in the officials pocket.
Too tight to flag doesn't mean the call was wrong. This is very simple yet you're all so desperate for it to be wrong because it involved Michigan or Ohio State that you can't accept what is being said.
Too tight to call literally means they got the call right but they would like it to be more obvious when called. Just like we see with holding penalties. See how the adjusted it. If the call was wrong they wouldn't need to alter the rule. They'd just enforce it as it was.
The Big Ten agrees with me. Not you. The ref should have kept the flag in his pocket. I accept that I am correct, and you are not.
The Big Ten has never and will never say the call was wrong. So they dont agree with you.
Simple question...why change the rule if it was called incorrectly? What would there be to change?
The problem here isn't me. It's you can't accept they're altering the rule because the call was correct as it existed Saturday. "Too tight" doesn't mean it's wrong.
They already agreed with me. Dude, the sky is blue. Get over it.
Read the words. The flag should have stayed in his pocket. The Big Ten agrees.
As for your question, the Big Ten will have two officials at the line instead of one, that provides a check and balance for A BAD CALL made by one official... lmfao...
Again not a bad call...never once stated. Facts. You're altering what was said to fit your agenda. It's desperate.
Keep in mind that this is the same troll-boy a-hole who said the FOX game crew never said it was a bad and wrong call.... - this is an exact quote from Chris Petersen, one of the FOX crew, immediately following the play (bolding is mine):
This was excerpted directly from a FOX Sports written article, but according to the b1g/scUM shill troll there is no indication here that the FOX commentating crew disagreed with the call and that it was incorrect! Chris Petersen, a highly respected former HC, literally states that the Official fabricated the call and that the penalty did not happen. Doesn't get much more specific than that, but according to troll-boy the FOX crew never said that they thought it was a bad call - LMFAO at this tool.
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Big Ten says the call shouldn't have been made; therefore, it's a bad call.
Deal with the facts. It was so bad the Big Ten changed the rules. Are you telling me they change the rules because it was a good call? lmfao....
I can see his reply now, "Peterson never said that." lol.....
Actually, because it is a direct quote he'll say, "Petersen never specifically said 'wrong call' and you're misinterpreting what he meant by 'The Officials are making something up.'......blah, blah, blah......" LMFAO.
Watched it in slow motion, did not look offsides. Feet were definitely not offsides.
That's not what they said. They said "too tight" to be called not that he wasn't offside
I'm saying they changed the rules because the call, while correct, wasn't the intent.
They did say that. It's either a penalty or not a penalty, and they said not a penalty.
They changed the rules to avoid bad calls.
You're wrong and have been this entire thread.
It's a fact.
Again, same a$$hole who said FOX crew never said it was a bad, terrible call.... despite THE FACT that they did.
First of all Pereia said it was not offsides. Flat out said it. So with that you are sinking. Soooooo, Landy, a seasoned official who Fox hires as a rules expert says it is not offsides soooooo when they call it offsides is that a right or wrong call?
As for the statements that say "too tight to be called". Break this statement down Mr champion of double speak word twister. By the way are you a con artist/scammer?Because you would probably be quite good at it. Saying a lot of nothing and scamming old people out of their money with your pathetic bs that you spew. Back to the statement, what they are saying is they don't agree with the call. Why would they not agree? Maybe it is wrong? Maybe too close? It does not matter if they said it was wrong what matters is they are saying the official made the incorrect decision. That much is clear. The official had two choices, call the penalty or not and they are saying they should not have called the penalty. Therefore it is not the right call.
You don't even know what you are arguing now. You stupidly think it is the correct call. They are not saying it was technically the right call. That is your argument but no one says that. They would say that if that was the case to give them cover but they can't.
You are making that up because that is all you have. Your hanging on to like it was the correct call like getting a ticket for going 65.1 mph in a 65 zone. But that is not this situation even though you desperately want it to be in your warped fantasy world. All experts say the flag should not have been called and it was an incorrect decision. They are not saying it was a correct call. Never do they say that, never.
So you are really showing that you will go to the mat for Michigan. Interesting. I wonder why? Again if this situation was reversed you definitely would not be as adamant about it being the right call if Minnesota benefitted.
What the F? You just proved why it was WRONG - they don’t change rules when they get it RIGHT - damn dude give it up - that might just be the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted - you are in rare air pal.
They didn't say it wasn't a penalty
Quote "it was not a penalty"...provide the quote that doesn't exist
They don't change rules when the rule is not called correctly. They change the rule when the outcome isn't what is desired. If the call is simply wrong they never change the rule. Imagine if they changed a rule every time a call was missed. You can think what I said is stupid all you want but you're the idiot for not comprehending rules are never changed when a call is missed. Never. Not once ever.
Not sure why that's confusing
Rules are altered all the time when the desired outcome doesn't align with how the rule is written
When a call is missed they simply state the call was wrong and they say they train better on it. This was "we need to change the rule" because the call wasn't wrong. Not even sure how anyone thinks "too tight" means wrong.
No he didn't say that.
You all disagree with the paid officials all the time but now you're saying you trust one of them even though that's not what he said. Not once did he say "it was wrong".
They never said it was wrong. Too tight literally means it could go either way. They want the call to be more obvious. It's not wrong. No one from the Big Ten has said it was wrong.
Find an expert that used the words "wrong"...no one has. Not a single person from the Big Ten. Leagues say all the time "calls were wrong". The NBA even releases a report but nowhere has anyone said this is wrong. Nowhere.
I go "to the mat" for literally anyone being unfairly attacked. I'd absolutely be arguing for Minnesota if it was reversed. We needed Minnesota to win the game. The difference is no one complaining about the call would be if it went against Michigan. I'm not the inconsistent one. You all let emotion control how you react.
Again the Big Ten didn't say the call was wrong. Not once.
Looks like a clean kick to me.
Now apparently dip$hit is making up another yarn that is utterly false - he's claiming they changed the rule because they didn't like the outcome of the "correct call" - the funniest part of his latest bull$hit nonsense is that "the rule" has not been altered one iota. What was altered is the B1G Officiating Mechanics on Kickoffs bringing both the Line Judge and Head Line Judge up to the "Restraining Line":
The above quote excerpted directly from the B1G's statement on the changes made to the Officiating Mechanics. IOW, the league changed the Officiating Mechanics because the Official in the scUM-Minny game used "incorrect judgement" on the play precipitating the changes to the Officiating Mechanics (i.e., a clear statement admitting that the flag should not have been thrown which is identical to what the Coordinator of Officials, Carullo, told PJ Fleck - "the flag should not have been thrown").
In any event, dumb@ss troll-boy is utterly wrong yet again with his claim that the b1g "changed the rule" redefining what is "offsides" on a kickoff - they absolutely did not change the existing written NCAA Rule defining what qualifies as an Offsides Penalty (for either team) on a Kickoff - did not change the rule, within the NCAA Rulebook, one iota (which only the NCAA can do, the b1g cannot make any such change), but toolboy, Hand-on-my-Commando, is making another utterly diametrically false statement in support of his nonsensical, bullshit drivel (I won't even call it an argument as it is a provably self-serving, made-up, bullshit strawman). Such a freaking troll.... pathetic.
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Yes, that's exactly what it means.
No, "too tight to call" means no call should have been made - i.e. no flag.
That's exactly how words, and logic, work.
And, again, the rule isn't being substantively altered - it's being procedurally altered because of the very fact that they blew this call - they want another pair of eyes on the line so they don't blow the call again.
Good lord, you're terrible at this.
Too tight means it shouldn't be called. The natural state of things is no penalty. You need clear evidence of an infraction to throw a flag. Saying it's too tight to throw a flag means it lacks the clear evidence necessary to call a penalty. In other words, and very clearly, this is saying no flag should be thrown. They are saying it was wrong. Wrong is the opposite of right. If it was right, they would never say the flag shouldn't have been thrown.
This is basic reading comprehension and logic, and you are failing, over and over again.
Lando is 100% a troll that needs to be taken off the board.
Or he's someone who can't control himself, and is also cognitively "different" and he needs someone on his side to monitor him much better (and have his screen time limited, accordingly).
Or he's someone who can't control himself, and is also cognitively "different" and he needs someone on his side to monitor him much better (and have his screen time limited, accordingly).
They did. They even changed the rules from keeping it from happening again.
Your language requirements are yours. The rest of the world doesn't care about what you consider real or not.
Are you next going to argue what "is" is? lmfao...
Lando, I'm detecting subtle indications that patience is wearing thin with you here...
We are past patience. Now it is just entertainment.
They actually did not change the written NCAA Rule (only the NCAA can do this - the b1g has no authority to change the NCAA Rulebook unilaterally). What the b1g changed was the Officiating Mechanics used on kickoffs (the b1g does control Officiating Mechanics used for specific situations - i.e., Officials, and Officials Mechanics", are administered by each Conference, not NCAA. In fact, the Officials work for, and paid by, individual Conferences, not the NCAA.).
Furthermore, the Conference stated, within their formal Statement released to press, that the Officiating Mechanics were changed because the incorrect judgement was applied on the call in question in the Minny-scUM game - this call is a judgment call, it is not objective like someone clearly stepping on a line; so the league stating that the incorrect judgement was applied (and the changes to Officiating Mechanics will help ensure "correct judgement" will be applied in the future) is a clear admission that the flag was thrown incorrectly, which is identical to what the B1G Coordinator of Officials, Bill Carullo, told PJ Fleck - "the flag should not have been thrown".
The League does not change Officiating Mechanics due to "correct calls" - they only do such a thing in response to INCORRECT calls in the hope it will eliminate incorrect calls in the future (or as the league statement phrased it in the positive fashion - ""thereby putting multiple officials in the best position to consistently make the correct judgement..." in the future.).
Actually, the written "Rule" is not being altered whatsoever - The NCAA controls, and administers, the NCAA Rulebook, not the b1g. What constitutes an Offsides Penalty (for either team) on a Kickoff within the Official 2024 NCAA Football Rulebook has not changed one single iota - not even a single letter. What was changed is the B1G Officiating Mechanics on Kickoffs (specifically, a 2nd Official was brought to the "Restraining Line" on opposite side of field). The NCAA does not directly control Officiating Mechanics - each league does. The league does submit their specific mechanics to NCAA, who either comments on them or states that they support them as is. In this case NCAA said they fully-support the changes B1G submitted. In any event, the Officiating Mechanics are not controlled by NCAA Rulebook, so no changes to NCAA Rulebook were made, or required, in regards to the changes made by B1G to their Officiating Mechanics.
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