Well, that's not the name of it. Let KC and the Sunshine Band in then. They had more than the 5 hits that Summer had.
Rock & Roll HOF 2017 Nominees
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it is supposed to be about rock music. and rock and roll is popular music and everything from elvis presley to iron maiden or even harder. there are many different forms of rock and roll. it is not just classic rock or hard rock. it is supposed to hit every genre. my problem historically with the hall is that they say this, but dont follow through. they use to never want to put in hard core rap or hard core metal groups because they were not classy enough for the hall. at the same time they added people like madonna. to me if soft pop, disco and average groups from the 50's get in, then other genres should get in to. that is happening a lot more now. rush finally got in. it is so hard to believe how many ridiculous bands got in before rush. i would still liek to see pat benatar, ice t, iron maiden, bon jovi, motley crue, the cure, duran duran, Whitney Houston, George Michael, ozzy, scorpions, def leopard, brian eno, herbie hancock, cyndi lauper, sade etc. I would not mind if they put a few great musicians in like Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai etc.
No. Donna Summer had some great music. Again, it's all personal preference. There are Donna Summer songs I would listen to. There are no songs by the other artists I would listen to.
Yes wasn't about making "hits". They were about producing ground breaking musical pieces of instrumental brilliance. They never cared what the morons at Rolling Stone magazine thought about them. For that alone, they should be in. By the way, Owner of a Lonely Heart reached #1 in the USA.
Here are 5 good reasons why they should be in. If Yes does make it, it will be a crime that Chris won't be there, should have happened years ago.
http://radio.com/2016/12/16/yes-why-they-should-be-in-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/
I can certainly see them getting in. I just don't think they have very many great songs. Rush is an even more talented progressive band. But rush still had much more mass appeal. Van Halen was outrageously talented. More talented than yes. They came up with a lot more great songs than yes. They could easily have gotten in even if they broke up before 1984. I just see these semi obscure bands getting in just because they progressive, weird, strange, march to their own drummer. I mean there a million artists who have done something unique. For example, Jethro tull introduced the flute to rock and roll. But I dont think he should get in. I do think you need more mass appeal. If you are that good and hall worthy people will notice you. Probably the only reason king crimson does not get in is because they literally had no hits. After saying all, this, I would still probably put yes in. I certainly think they have done 100 times more jane's addiction.
The HOF released the top 5 vote getters from the fan vote for the 2017 class. They are:
1. Journey
2. Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
3. Yes
4. Pearl Jam
5. The Cars
This is the 1st year that Journey, ELO, and Pearl Jam were nominated. The Cars were also nominated in 2016. (Note, while the voting for the next class took place this year, the voting was for the 2017 HOF class.) Yes was nominated in 2014 and 2016.
I believe the fan vote counts as 1 ballot. There are about 600 other ballots which are comprised of rock historians, music industry personnel, and every living member of the R&R HOF.
The inductees for the 2017 will be announced on Tuesday (12/20).
FWIW, this is the 5th year the fans have had a vote. In the previous 4 years, the top vote getters (KISS, Rush, Stevie Ray Vaughan, and Chicago) were inducted as part of that year's class.
Both Jonathan Cain and Neal Schon have stated in recent interviews that Steve Perry should perform with the group at the induction ceremony if they are part of the class. Whether that will happen remains to be seen. Per Schon, despite repeated requests for Steve's phone number, as things currently stand if he wants to speak with Steve Perry he has to contact Steve's lawyer, and communicate through the lawyer.
As for Arnel Pineda, he's not included on the list of potential Journey inductees. (I believe that when the nominations are announced, the HOF also sends each act a list of which members they are including.) Cain has been trying to get Pineda included, though I'd be surprised if that happened. You'd have to be a Journey die-hard to be able to name any Journey song that was originally released with Pineda as the lead singer. I don't know the complete list of potential Journey inductees, but I'd be surprised if Gregg Rolie isn't on it as well, as he was their keyboardist at the beginning of the group, and while most of his time with the group was before they became really popular, he was around for some of their early hits.
1. Journey
2. Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
3. Yes
4. Pearl Jam
5. The Cars
This is the 1st year that Journey, ELO, and Pearl Jam were nominated. The Cars were also nominated in 2016. (Note, while the voting for the next class took place this year, the voting was for the 2017 HOF class.) Yes was nominated in 2014 and 2016.
I believe the fan vote counts as 1 ballot. There are about 600 other ballots which are comprised of rock historians, music industry personnel, and every living member of the R&R HOF.
The inductees for the 2017 will be announced on Tuesday (12/20).
FWIW, this is the 5th year the fans have had a vote. In the previous 4 years, the top vote getters (KISS, Rush, Stevie Ray Vaughan, and Chicago) were inducted as part of that year's class.
Both Jonathan Cain and Neal Schon have stated in recent interviews that Steve Perry should perform with the group at the induction ceremony if they are part of the class. Whether that will happen remains to be seen. Per Schon, despite repeated requests for Steve's phone number, as things currently stand if he wants to speak with Steve Perry he has to contact Steve's lawyer, and communicate through the lawyer.
As for Arnel Pineda, he's not included on the list of potential Journey inductees. (I believe that when the nominations are announced, the HOF also sends each act a list of which members they are including.) Cain has been trying to get Pineda included, though I'd be surprised if that happened. You'd have to be a Journey die-hard to be able to name any Journey song that was originally released with Pineda as the lead singer. I don't know the complete list of potential Journey inductees, but I'd be surprised if Gregg Rolie isn't on it as well, as he was their keyboardist at the beginning of the group, and while most of his time with the group was before they became really popular, he was around for some of their early hits.
Wait, do you think Jethro Tull is the guy's name? Haha.
I agree. It is so tough to decide who gets in from a group and who does not. With a group like the police it is clear cut. With Deep purple, eagles, foreigner and million other groups it is not. How you determine if someone really contributed or not. and sometimes there is bad blood and certain people just wont show up. I don't think axel rose showed up for the g and r induction. I like pineda, but he is not part of the fabric that made journey what it is/was. Hopefully, steve perry puts aside his anger and comes to perform. Journey is Steve Perry and Neil Schon. I hope Steve Smith comes too. Great powerful drummer who helped shape their sound. Especially on separate ways and those monster power ballads.
I think Smith has been with the group on their current tour. He said he would do it for a year -- not sure when that runs out. I'd be surprised if Smith is the only drummer on the list for Journey. He was their drummer for pretty much all of their hits.
Aynsley Dunbar WAS original drummer and was on some of the earlier hits. But smith was the the real back beat behind journey. He definitely helped shape the sound and the production of their big hits and tours.
Dunbar left Journey because he did not like the more commercial direction the band was turning toward. He always felt the band should be more progressive and more jazz oriented, in terms of influence and sound. I honestly believe that the most important songwriting force for the first era of Journey, was Gregg Rolie, who left just before Escape was written and produced. In fact, Rolie did cowrite nearly half of Escape, but was not credited on it.
Dan Baird came aboard for the 1987 "Raised on Radio" album, to play drums. Dean Castronovo had been the drummer up until about 2 years ago, when he was arrested for statutory rape.
Have you ever seen Pineda in person? He's a great performer and he's incredibly athletic for a man his age. He often stands on a box when he sings and he's still shorter than the other band members. I looked it up and it says he's 5'3" tall. To be honest I doubt that he's even 5'0".
agree he should get in too. journey reminds me of the styx situation. the styx guys all disliked dennis deyoung too and all wanted to be rockers, but most of the best songs were written and composed by deyoung. not too mention he is much better singer than tommy shaw. i do like all the songs from styx, but you cant leave out deyoung. he is/was the most important member and was the founding member.
Talks of reunion with DeYoung[edit]
In a July 7, 2011 interview with Rolling Stone music magazine Tommy Shaw stated that he "[doesn't] think [a reunion with DeYoung] is realistic," and that "what was true in 1983 was only more true in 1996", in which his coming together with DeYoung had "a very negative effect on each other".[38]
DeYoung, however, has repeatedly stated that he's open to a reunion with the other members and that what he really wants is for all of them to "come together as a band." DeYoung also rebutted the claim that Shaw and Young wanted a harder-edged rock sound in contrast to his, saying Shaw's "Renegade" "wasn't a rock song when he brought it in. It was my idea to make it into a rock song."
However, in 2010, DeYoung instead formed a new band with guitarists August Zadra and Jimmy Leahey, bassist-vocalist Craig Carter, Tom Sharpe, John Blasucci and wife Suzanne DeYoung to perform Styx hits and other DeYoung solo works touring North America billed "Dennis DeYoung: the Music of Styx." Despite this, DeYoung still says he's ready for a reunion with the band.[39][40][41]
he is very good singer, but he lost some of his power after the first few years in journey. when he auditioned for journey he was amazing, but now I think he is just above average. he is still a good singer. but the middle singer they had was even better to me. and i think perry's voice in his prime was the best.
I have in fact met him. You are right, he is about 5' tall, as in Five feet zero inches tall. He is tiny. Great guy and awesome singer, it's amazing how that giant voice comes from that tiny little dude.
You are talking about Steve Augeri, who is a great singer AND a great songwriter also.
Technically speaking, they are both excellent drummers, and they both have the chops to play any genre of music, not just rock music. I don't put one ahead of the other, they are both great.
I would agree with that, actually. The main reason of course is that absurd touring and traveling schedule that they still adhere to. WAY WAY WAY too many shows and WAY WAY too much overseas and cross continent travel. It destroys anyones voice over time.
And I also agree on Steve Perry: I have him in my ten best vocalists of all time group. He is currently at #7 on the list.
I have Karen Carpenter at #1 by the way. The greatest singer of all time, any style, any time period, any genre, period. And it's not close.
he was great. sounded just like perry and kind of looked him too. but he got sick and had problems singing. i just read that deen castrenovo got arrested for all kinds of felonies. crazy.
I am drummer and I put smith ahead of dunbar. I think ss is on another level. But everyone has their opinions.
Modern Drummer magazine, which is the drummer's bible voted him the #1 All-Around Drummer five years in a row. In 2001, the publication named Smith as one of the Top 25 Drummers of All Time, and in 2002 he was voted into the Modern Drummer Hall of Fame.
Augeri was the second singer in the band "Tyketto" also, after Danny Vaughan took a break from the band.
Who are your top ten? Karen carpenter was great singer. I think her voice was amazing, but would you put her technically on the the level of steve perry, celine dion, whitney houston, mariah carey, freddi mercury etc?
FWIW, Prairie Prince WAS the the original drummer for Journey, before they even had a name. He left to rejoin The Tubes shortly after the group adopted the name Journey. Aynsley Dunbar was the drummer from 1974-1978. Steve Smith replaced Dunbar in 1978, and stayed with the group thru mid-1985. He was basically fired from the band (alternative story is he left to pursue a different type of music). Mike Baird was the drummer from mid-1985 until the the band canceled their tour in 1987 and basically took a break. Steve Smith returned in 1995 when the band reunited to record the album Trial by Fire. He stuck around until 1998, when Schon and Cain got tired of waiting for Steve Perry to have hip surgery (he wanted to try to let it heal naturally, and they wanted him to get surgery so that they could tour to promote the album), so they basically fired Perry and Smith departed as well. Deen Castronovo was brought in as his replacement, and he stuck around until his indictment for assault in 2015, when he was replaced by Omar Hakim. Later that year Steve Smith agreed to rejoin the band.
As for Dunbar being on "some of the earlier hits," I believe that's only accurate for "Wheel in the Sky." If you include Anytime or Lights as a hit, then he was the drummer for those as well.
yes those hits. feeling that way was was a small hit too, but lights and wheel are big hits in the journey catalog. so surprised at deen c. pretty talented guy.
Great to see Yes finally get in, but it will be bittersweet not seeing Chris at the ceremony. They should have been in years ago.
https://www.rockhall.com/class-2017-inductions
https://www.rockhall.com/class-2017-inductions
Interesting to note that 4 of the top 5 in the fan vote will be inducted into the Class of 2017.
Relayer, I'm happy for you, and for all fans of Yes, that they finally made it into the HOF.
Appears that Midnighter was a pretty good prognosticator.
I did a little more digging, and here are the actual members for each group that are being inducted:
Journey:
Jonathan Cain, Anysley Dunbar, Steve Perry Gregg Rolie, Neal Schon, Steve Smith, and Ross Valory
ELO:
Bev Beban, Jeff Lynne, Richard Tandy, Roy Wood
Pearl Jam:
Jeff Ament, Matt Cameron, Stone Grossard, Dave Krusen, Mike McCready, Eddie Vedder
Yes:
Jon Anderson, Bill Bruford, Steve Howe, Trevor Rabin, Chris Squire, Rick Wakeman, Alan White, Tony Kaye
Joan Baez, Tupac Shakur, and Nile Rodgers are solo acts, so there are no other members being inducted with them.
Congrats to the Class of 2017. Also, my thanks to all that voted in the fan ballot. Should be a very nice Rock & Hall HOF Induction concert in April.
absolute joke that baez and tupac get in over over the cars. cars should have been like the first or second band taken. they contributed more to music than most of these bands.
IMHO, you lose some credibility when you state that it's "an absolute joke" that this or that signer or band gets in over another nominee.
I think Nile Rodgers has a legitimate beef. He's going in under the Award of Musical Excellence. That said, his band, Chic, which was nominated this year for the 11th time, is not being inducted. He expressed his displeasure with that in THIS ARTICLE.
Nile rodgers should get in. He is a genius. But joan baez and tupac over the cars? No way. The cars had a huge impact on the music scene in the 70's and 80's. They had an incredible pop sound and about 25 or 30 hits. They even had hits that were not released that became hits as their entire records got so much play. Practically every song off their first record is a a hit. They had more singles than group nominated this year. It is not only about popularity and mass appeal for them. They had iconic videos, had great concerts etc. Cars should be in way before a lot of other bands. Certainly before chic.
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I think Tupac's legacy and icon status trumps his actual 'rapping' acumen. He's certainly better than a lot of guys out there, especially in his day, but Eminem would run circles around him (and everyone else) if we're talking about rap from a performance/writing perspective. Of course, working with Dre helped both. IMO.
I love tupac too. He is up there. Tough call for me on him. I just dont think he gets in before the cars. I probably put the cars somewhere in the top 100 rock and pop bands of time. Tupac maybe in the top 250.
Thanks Tom, it's been a long wait. This is the lineup that played on the Union Tour in 1991. The other member I might invite is Geoff Downes. He has played on a few albums and ranks 9th in live performances with 401, right behind Trevor Rabin at 416.
If I had to guess I would say that Rush will induct them as Geddy Lee has stated many times how influential Yes was on their music. Second guess would be Phil Collins for similar reasons.
Eminem's flow might be better, but Tupac's songwriting was, IMO, far and away better than Eminem. Tupac, in my mind, is one of the superior lyricists and storytellers of all time, cutting across all genres. And I believe that Tupac was one of the greats long before he ever got together with Dre and Death Row Records. All Eyez On Me pales in comparison to his work from the early 90s - but that's a personal opinion. Tupac was a much more significant cultural and political force than any other hip-hop artist has been, too - although that only tangentially has to do with his musical credentials.
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I don't disagree about Tupac's importance - certainly the biggest ever in the industry. But I disagree about songwriting/arrangement/delivery - at least with regard to Eminem. Tupac scores big for more politically charged/racial content, Eminem gets points for unparalleled technical skill and varied, complicated rhyming style. To each his own. I still laugh when other artists have Eminem featured on a track - never ends well for most (see: Jay Z, 'Renegades' - Eminem rhymes circles around him...). I also think Eminem excels at freestyle, which a lot of studio rappers struggle with.
Cool video with some explanation of Eminem's use of internal rhyme structure (if you're so inclined).
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