Rock & Roll HOF 2017 Nominees
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No no. You are right. Steve was special on the drums. Many have been. Carl Palmer is special and unique as well. However my favorite of all time is Charlie Watts, who not many generally credit as a great drummer. However, I've yet to hear anyone carry a beat like Charlie.
Charlie Watts is one of the greatest drummers who ever lived, which I have said repeatedly. He is flawless as a time keeper, and he is impeccable with his choices of accents, fills, and what to play, and when to play it. People don't want to credit him because he does not come from any kind of school of flash, or call attention to himself(Moon), or play a million miles an hour, or play complicated time signatures very often.
A little story here. I was the booking agent at Lycoming and Bloom when I went to school at both places. I tried to book Journey at both, but just came up short on money. I did book 38 special, Joan Jett, and...taaa daaaa, Greg Khin, the day before Our Loves in Jeopardy went number one. I paid 5 grand for them. The following day, they got 30 grand to play at the Pocono Jam.
A few years later at AZ State, I helped book U2. Yeah that was beyond special. Anyway, Journey was in town heading back to California. Both bands ended up in Tempe, and the Edge introduced me to all the members of Journey. Long story short, I hounded Steve to play ASU. He and Neil knew PA well as I had said where I tried to book them. It's amazing how much they do pay attention, and actually know different areas, especially universities. Never did get it to go before I left ASU, but Steve gave me the band's contact info, which at that time was a phone number and address. Email wasn't going then, lol. To this day, I've stayed in contact with a number of the bands I actually booked, especially Journey.
Some would be surprised how much some of these bands like to discuss old times. From the Outfield to the Hooters, it was awesome to meet these groups, and get their gig ready to go. Journey was just always special and my favorite band. It would be fantastic if Steve would reunite, but I honestly don't think it will happen. Neil is actually pretty available, and has always been open to the idea, as most of the members have been. Steve's been on stage twice that I know of an still has the pipes. I've been in contact with Steve for over 25 years, but only send him best wishes for holidays. Don't think I wouldn't love to ask about a reunion. Lol. I'd never even think of doing that. If you want info, contact Neil on fb. Many times he responds to fans. Neil got married about 2 years ago, and he's just the absolute best there is. A reunion would be a dream, but I can't see it, and that's just a shame. They were the very best.
A few years later at AZ State, I helped book U2. Yeah that was beyond special. Anyway, Journey was in town heading back to California. Both bands ended up in Tempe, and the Edge introduced me to all the members of Journey. Long story short, I hounded Steve to play ASU. He and Neil knew PA well as I had said where I tried to book them. It's amazing how much they do pay attention, and actually know different areas, especially universities. Never did get it to go before I left ASU, but Steve gave me the band's contact info, which at that time was a phone number and address. Email wasn't going then, lol. To this day, I've stayed in contact with a number of the bands I actually booked, especially Journey.
Some would be surprised how much some of these bands like to discuss old times. From the Outfield to the Hooters, it was awesome to meet these groups, and get their gig ready to go. Journey was just always special and my favorite band. It would be fantastic if Steve would reunite, but I honestly don't think it will happen. Neil is actually pretty available, and has always been open to the idea, as most of the members have been. Steve's been on stage twice that I know of an still has the pipes. I've been in contact with Steve for over 25 years, but only send him best wishes for holidays. Don't think I wouldn't love to ask about a reunion. Lol. I'd never even think of doing that. If you want info, contact Neil on fb. Many times he responds to fans. Neil got married about 2 years ago, and he's just the absolute best there is. A reunion would be a dream, but I can't see it, and that's just a shame. They were the very best.
Charlie was the best and coolest 3 beat drummer to walk the earth.
everyone has their favorite,. i like stewart copeland of the police.
Really interesting story. Thanks for sharing.
Steve performed 3 times in 2014. Each time he did 3 or 4 songs in an Eels concert (at St. Paul, MN, at Washington, DC, and at LA). It was the first time he had performed publicly on stage in 19 years. You can find YouTube videos of each of the performances. Steve did show that he still has the pipes.
Before those 3 appearances, his last public concert was on March 22, 1995, in San Juan, PR. I believe that was the last part of a 50-spot concert tour that ran from Oct. 1994 thru March 1995.
Before that, I believe his last public concert was with Journey, at the Bill Graham Memorial, in 1991 That was an appearance that was up-in-the air until the day before, or the day of, the concert.
I think Steve appeared with Journey at 1 awards show in the San Francisco area a few years before the Bill Graham memorial, but he pretty much stopped performing with Journey at the end of their tour in 1986.
It's interesting that you have had positive interactions with Steve. Most of the people that meet him have very good things to say about him. At the same time, nobody seems to be able to fully explain why Steve walked away from concerts, either with Journey or on his own. Touring can be a drag, but most elite musicians take a break from it for awhile, and then get back up on stage.
I'm hopeful that Steve sings with Journey at the induction ceremony in April. Neil Schon really seemed to go out of his way in a number of interviews today to not ruffle any feathers, and to encourage Steve to perform with the band at the induction ceremony.
My favorite drummer of all time, and (with apologies to everyone including my good amigo's who love Neal Peart) who I consider the greatest drummer of all time, is the late, and truly great, Jeffrey Porcaro.
jeff was a great players. he was a studio drummer who could play anything. some people consider steve gadd to be the greatest studio drummer of all time.
The Yes history has two great drummers in their portfolio, Bill Bruford and Alan White. I know Bruford gets many of the accolades as he should. White has been the Yes drummer for 45 years. The man was a beast in his time, hence Tales, Relayer and Going For The One. He was a machine in the 80's with Rabin, Squire and Anderson.
PSU Dave, this one is for you, Alan in his prime:
PSU Dave, this one is for you, Alan in his prime:
Joan Baez - Rock and Roll? At any rate, the flaws of this hall seem to be a lack of established criteria. Some nominees have no more name recognition than your local bar band. Given this, how influential could they really have been? To whom?
SHE did have some influence on the folk singer song writer scene. but over the cars? they were one of the best pop bands for like 15 or 20 years. unique sound. a million big hits.
Name recognition to whom? To you? Just you know the name of a band doesn't make them good. I happen to think Yes sounds like elevator music and influenced nobody. But that is my opinion. Name recognition for the masses means nothing to the quality of the band or their influence.
Wow, I can guarantee no one has ever heard The Gates of Delirium in an elevator. Nice try though. Ask Phil Collins and Geddy Lee how Yes influenced other bands.
Yes has influenced generations of musicians in different genres. One of the most influential bands in the history of rock music.
Whether Rolling Stone liked them or not. Yes influenced a hell of a lot more musicians than The Talking Heads or Elvis Costello, two of RS's favorite critic bands.
As usual with Steve, absolutely no public comment. He usually posts something on his web site on his birthday, which I believe is Jan. 22, so some Journey fans are hoping for some indication then.
I should clarify this a bit. They were introduced as Journey. Steve appeared with Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain at the Bill Graham Memorial. I don't believe they played with a bassist or drummer, so one could quibble as to whether that was the "last public concert" Steve Perry did with Journey.
You're probably all over this Relayer, but I saw the other day that Rick Wakeman had changed his mind, and will now be at the induction ceremony in April.
All the members need to put their differences aside for this one night. With two versions of the band touring, it will interesting to see what, if anything comes out of this as far as a 50th anniversary tour next year. Lots of egos and "fragile" relationships involved so who knows. Many threads on this over at yesfans.
http://www.yesfans.com/forum.php
I hope Steve can step back and look at the bigger picture. Many, including me, were very disappointed that Peter Cetera wouldn't perform with Chicago last year. These guys aren't getting any younger, and they need to do it for the fans who supported them for so long.
And actually, they might find that getting back together for no more than 3 songs will give them the closure that I think they really want.
newly eligible in 2018:
Beck
Dave Matthews
Outkast
Counting Crows
Sheryl Crow
Maybe a chance for some previous snubs to get in. Assume they would put in the first two on the list. Not sure what they would do with Outkast or Sheryl Crow. Seems like they should be likely candidates, but given the sheer stupidity of the process who knows.
Beck
Dave Matthews
Outkast
Counting Crows
Sheryl Crow
Maybe a chance for some previous snubs to get in. Assume they would put in the first two on the list. Not sure what they would do with Outkast or Sheryl Crow. Seems like they should be likely candidates, but given the sheer stupidity of the process who knows.
The getting older aspect is a serious issue. Steve turns 68 on Sunday (1/22). Ross Valory (the bassist) just turned 67. Jonathan Cain will turn 67 in late February. Steve Smith is a tad younger, at 62, and Neal Schon is also a tad younger, as he'll turn 63 in late February.
While there are rock acts with multiple members older than late 60s, usually they've been performing together for some time. It's been 26 years since Steve performed with any of the band members, and 31 years since he performed on tour with the band. I can't imagine a situation (the HOF induction ceremony) that would be a more logical time/place for Steve to sing with the rest of the band.
Then again, what seems logical to me, and to most Journey fans, may not be all that relevant to Steve. As Hotshoe indicated, only Steve knows why he walked away from the stage, and has basically avoided Journey and the stage for so long. It is his life, and he gets to live it any way that he wants to.
They should start a band and call themselves Motley Crew. If any get in the Rock and Roll HOF, I now understand how and why David Eckstein gets a vote.
Outkast is a lock. I'd think Beck gets in pretty soon. Maybe not first year, but he's sold a decent number of albums and he's critically acclaimed.
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I don't know that any on that list - save maybe Beck - would be first ballot types. I would rather see Joy Division/New Order, The Smiths, The Cure, Pixies, NIN, and Tina Turner in first.
I don't see how the Dave Matthews Band doesn't get in. Still going strong 25 years later. I doubt any of the others on the list could sell out anything more than a theater these days.
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So, it's about concert ticket sales? I do think DMB is worthy, but just because they're the heir apparent to Grateful Dead and Phish doesn't get them in IMO.
No. I'm just saying they are more relevant today than the others. They should get in because their first three albums were great (with others that are very good), a lot of top well written songs, and most of them are also tremendous musicians.
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True, but they were never 'gamechangers' or pioneers (not that you have to be).
I can't think of a rock band that defined a decade the way that the Dave Matthews Band (and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, to an extent) defined the 1990s. They're as first ballot as it gets for their musicianship and the uniqueness of their sound alone.
They may, or may not ever get in, but every person in that band is a WORLD CLASS musician. They are very, very gifted players, sort of the modern day version of Steely Dan, as far as great musicians(not genre or style, but quality).
The problem with the Chili Peppers, is that Anthony Keidis cannot sing. At all. Ever. Out of key, flat, and simply horrendous. But hey, Dylan couldn't sing either, lmao, so there's that.
Relayer, today it was disclosed that Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson, of Rush, will be the presenters when Yes is inducted.
Other presenters announced:
Jackson Browne will present for Joan Baez
Neil Young will present for Pearl Jam
No word yet on who will present for Journey, ELO, Tupac, or Nile Rodgers.
Other presenters announced:
Jackson Browne will present for Joan Baez
Neil Young will present for Pearl Jam
No word yet on who will present for Journey, ELO, Tupac, or Nile Rodgers.
Good choice! I'm sure it will be an honor for Geddy to fill in for Chris on bass and jam with the band. That alone will be worth the price of admission. Tickets go on sale next Friday. I know Alan is still recovering from his back surgery, so I hope Bruford is ready to go. I liked Bill's comment that Yes to him is like that ex-girlfriend he just can't let go.
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