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Beard did swell. As all Freshman will need work on bottom and some strategy adjustments. "If it mattered" I doubt he'd chose down... Created some good chances within the last minute despite being obviously tired.
 
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Just like Joe learned that continuing to shoot with a lead was playing into his opponents strength, Beard will learn he likely should have taken top in the 2nd.
 
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Beard has all of the tools but his conditioning could use some work, and he is a little sloppy in scrambles. He can tighten things up this year. He gassed against Balsek as well. I think he did want to work more of the bottom which is where he needs to focus. Pretty strong on his feet, with good his but his defense was off once he got tired. Had he selected top in the second he could have worked for another turn and padded his riding time. I am pleased with where he is as a freshman but he is not ready this year, let's hope Shak is during on all cylinders later this month, and I look forward to next year when all of our kids in training hit the big time.
 
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GogglesPaizano said:
Beard has all of the tools but his conditioning could use some work, and he is a little sloppy in scrambles. He can tighten things up this year. He gassed against Balsek as well. I think he did want to work more of the bottom which is where he needs to focus. Pretty strong on his feet, with good his but his defense was off once he got tired. Had he selected top in the second he could have worked for another turn and padded his riding time. I am pleased with where he is as a freshman but he is not ready this year, let's hope Shak is during on all cylinders later this month, and I look forward to next year when all of our kids in training hit the big time.
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Trying only to win vs. getting better on Jan 2.
 
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dbldoofus said:
Lee vs Wittlake. Winner wrestles for 3rd.
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/49666/lee-joe/50615/wittlake-travis

Starocci vs Harvey for 1st
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/58819/starocci-carter/45148/harvey-gregg

Beard vs Geer Winner wrestles for 3rd.
https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/50614/beard-michael/45373/geer-dakota

@andegre I am stealing your website links. :)
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Transitive property would indicate that Lee had much more dominate wins than did Whitlake vs the same competition.

I know, I know, but it makes you wonder about the algorithm picking Whitlake.
 
KCLion said:
Transitive property would indicate that Lee had much more dominate wins than did Whitlake vs the same competition.

I know, I know, but it makes you wonder about the algorithm picking Whitlake.
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Better wins among common opponents, but the *much* worse losses in the overall result set probably factor more into the prediction engine, which isn't taking "he was still a high school senior" into account
 
SJP80 said:
CS is a hammer on top. Some guys are better on top than others. I can't image how good he will be as a senior and 4 more years in the room.
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Is it just me, but did everyone have lower expectations for Carter relative to the hammers in the class before him? I'm not sure why, maybe because I only watched him in high school against Gerrit Niijenhuis and all of those matches were very close.That's clearly not the case.
 
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js8793 said:
Ref let Gfeller put Shoop's knee in a bad spot during the turn. Was focused on whether Shoop was in criteria and didn't see his leg getting ripped off, which was why he was going to his back in the first place.
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Gfeller did the exact same thing in his quarter in a scramble. Got a reversal and 2 NF by torquing a trapped leg (trapped by the other leg) at the knee joint until Sparacio had to go over. Was losing 3-1 with under a minute to go.

Most likely if JSmith is sitting in the opposite corner both matches are stopped. But as a PSU fan you can't really complain about that. Nor should an Iowa fan.

But Gfeller crosses the line, no doubt about it.
 
Raw Daddy said:
Is it just me, but did everyone have lower expectations for Carter relative to the hammers in the class before him? I'm not sure why, maybe because I only watched him in high school against Gerrit Niijenhuis and all of those matches were very close.That's clearly not the case.
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Saw a lot of him in the State Duals last year. Seemed like a raw talent with a pretty high ceiling. But to my eye, he seems much more polished in just 10 or 11 months since then.
 
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Beard will be on Mat 3:

But for now:
Lee vs Wittlake Mat 1:
TD Lee 2-0
esc 2-1 1:30 left
TD: Lee 4-1
End of 1st

2nd:
Lee on top
Esc 4-2
td 4-4
End 2. 4-4

3rd:
Neutral
td Wittlake 4-6
over 1min rt
:30
stall pt? 4-7

Final 4-8. Joe will wrestle for 5th
 
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KCLion said:
Transitive property would indicate that Lee had much more dominate wins than did Whitlake vs the same competition.

I know, I know, but it makes you wonder about the algorithm picking Whitlake.
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Again.... we had TW penciled in at 184, and he was neck&neck with AB talent wise when we were interested.
AB would throttle him today, even at 184. We made the right choice in AB.
 
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KCLion said:
Transitive property would indicate that Lee had much more dominate wins than did Whitlake vs the same competition.

I know, I know, but it makes you wonder about the algorithm picking Whitlake.
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Looks like the algorithm was pretty accurate.
 
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Beard - Geer Mat 3.
Per: 1
TD Beard 2-0
esc 2-1
1 min left
Wait. Flo was wrong. TD BEARD 4-1
esc 4-2
end 1.
1:10 RIDING Beard

P2:
Beard on top.
esc 3-4
TD Beard 6-3
esc 4-6

End 2nd 2 MIN RIDING

P3:
beard on bottom
ESC 7-4. RT 1:52
1 min left RT locked.
TD BEARD 9-4
esc 9-5
10-5 RT final. Beard will wrestle for 3rd
 
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GogglesPaizano said:
Didn't even look like the same kid. Up 4-1 then fell off the cliff. Odd. Well in any case he has looked great and we are set up well for next year. Let's go Carter, come home with a championship!
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I agree, he got ridden pretty hard and long.
 
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TangSoo said:
Saw a lot of him in the State Duals last year. Seemed like a raw talent with a pretty high ceiling. But to my eye, he seems much more polished in just 10 or 11 months since then.
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I've talked to some guys close to Carter and was told he is a totally different person then he was 12 months ago. Both mentally and physically. Was told that him not getting a single TD his first week in the room was a huge slice of humble pie. He absolutely looks like a different guy on the mat to me.
 
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clucas said:
As a point of reference, Geer took 5th last year I believe and beat Rasheed at NCAA's. I don't agree that Beard is "not ready". He's beaten the #1, #3 and #6 seed at this tournament and was right there with the #2.
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I agree that's he's ready if needed. he looked great against top competition and highly ranked kids and beat an AA. Sure he can work on some things, like all freshman, but he is a stud!
 
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