2024 U20 Worlds - September 2-8

[SlipperyPete12]

92kg - 1/8 Final (R16) - Connor Robert Mirasola VS Soltan Sanjar Begenjov (TKM)

P1:
Connor immediately reaches for an ankle, but nothing, tying up & circling, Begenjov with an slick arm spin for 4, 4-0, restart
Tying up, Connor reaches for an ankle, nothing. More tying up & hand fighting, Connor drops in on a leg, but Begenjov fights out of it. Back to circling & tying up in the center, 4-min left
Connor shoots a double on the edge & takes Begenjov out of bounds, 4-1, restart
Connor warned for hard clubs, restart
Connor reaches for another ankle, but nothing, Connor drops in on the legs & drives Begenjov out for 2, 4-3 & the period ends there. Begenjov not doing much.
4-3 Begenjov

P2:
Back at it & tying up. Connor faking some shots & then hits a blast double, adds a turn, or maybe not for points & it's just the TD, 5-4 Connor
Connor with another blast double off the whistle, adds a turn & another & it's 11-4, restart, 2:13 left
Connor working the head, then reaches for an ankle, nothing, Begenjov reaches for an ankle, Connor counters & gets another TD, 13-4, restart
Connor back in on a leg & takes Begenjov out of bounds for the TECH, 14-4

Connor Mirasola TECH Soltan Sanjar Begenjov (4:27)

Connor moves on to the Semis.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

The ref wasn't having any of that sock-pulling BS.

 

[SlipperyPete12]

61kg 1/4 Finals - Marcus Glenn Blaze VS Jamal Abbasov (AZE)

P1:
Back at it already for Blaze.
Tying up & fighting for position to start, but not much action in the first minute.
Passivity warning Blaze
Blaze reaches for an ankle, nothing, Abbasov reaches for an ankle, nothing, Ref calling for action
2nd passivity warning Blaze & he goes on the clock
Blaze reaches for a leg, Abbasov counters, Blaze re-counters, gets a body lock, elevates & gets a TD, 2-0, shot clock turned off
Blood or injury time for Blaze
We're back at it, 3:58 left
Abbasov starts in par terre, but Blaze can't add a turn, restart
Blaze reaches for a leg & then again, has the head & is trying to come around, Abbasov with a whizzer & they're back on their feet in the center, no scoring.
Passivity warning Abbasov, and the period ends.

P2:
Blaze drops in on a leg off the whistle, working, Abbasov locked in through the crotch now. Blaze trying to come up, but no dice & it's a stalemate, 2:20 left
Tying up, Blaze working a 2 on 1 & they break, Blaze shoots, nothing, Abbasov shoots, nothing, Abbasov shoots again, Blaze circles away. Abbasov in on a deep shot, Blaze trying to counter & appears to get an exposure, but no points, Abbasov keeps coming forward & gets a push out, 2-1, restart, 1:20 left
Tight battle here. Back to tying up, Blaze shoots, Abbasov counters, they're scrambling & Blaze gets another TD on the edge, 4-1
Abbasov challenging, long review
Challenge lost, point Blaze, 5-1
Back to action, Abbasov coming forward off the whistle, Blaze circles back to center, 30-sec left, Blaze in on an ankle, Abbasov trying to come over the top, they're scrambling & Blaze takes Abbasov out of bounds for 2 more, 7-1, restart, and time expires

Marcus Blaze DEC Jamal Abbasov 7-1

Blaze moves on to the Semis.

 

[82bordeaux]

61kg 1/4 Finals - Marcus Glenn Blaze VS Jamal Abbasov (AZE)

P1:
Back at it already for Blaze.
Tying up & fighting for position to start, but not much action in the first minute.
Passivity warning Blaze
Blaze reaches for an ankle, nothing, Abbasov reaches for an ankle, nothing, Ref calling for action
2nd passivity warning Blaze, & he goes on the clock
Blaze reaches for a leg, Abbasov counters, Blaze re-counters, gets a body lock, elevates & gets a TD, 2-0
Blood or injury time for Blaze
We're back at it, 3:58 left
Abbasov starts in par terre, but Blaze can't add a turn, restart
Blaze reaches for a leg & again, has the head & is trying to come around, Abbasov with a whizzer & they're back on their feet in the center, no scoring.
Passivity warning Abbasov
And the period ends.

I don't know shit about freestyle scoring. Thought i did. But I don't.
How that was not 2 exposure I have no idea.

 

[nerfstate]

Are the rules of exposure different in this tourney? Dude rolled across his freakin back.

 

[nerfstate]

Looks like they wanted the fix to be in, but Marcus took the refs out of the equation.

 

[donboy6499]

I don't know shit about freestyle scoring. Thought i did. But I don't.
How that was not 2 exposure I have no idea.

Just have to try harder.

 

[SlipperyPete12]

86kg 1/4 Finals - Joshua Joseph Barr VS Ryogo Asano (JPN)

P1:
Barr with lot of fakes off the whistle & drops in on the legs, finishes the TD, then adds a turn as they go out of bounds, 4-0, restart
Barr faking & then shoots a blast double, Asano countering, Barr switches to a single & gets another TD, 6-0, restart, 5:04 left
Barr working the head, or tapping at it & faking, tries a throw by, but nothing & they're back to center. Barr with a blast double for another TD & it's 8-0, then he adds a turn for the 10-0 TECH. Another quick match for Barr!

Joshua Barr TECH Ryogo Asano 10-0 (1:42)

Barr moves into the Semis.

 

[nerfstate]

 

[Hotshoe]

I thought the Olympics were bad enough with a ref or two trying to be the show instead of the wrestlers, but damn.

This sport really needs to get its sh&t together. For refs that seem to care so much about passivity calls, and then let's can after can of cold spray give time outs to spent wrestlers is becoming quite the joke. Either get your a&& back to center, or you're losing a point. And honestly, as far as I'm concerned, the criteria needs to be gone. That simply adds to more stalling. Win it on the scoreboard.

 

[vhsalum]

I thought the Olympics were bad enough with a ref or two trying to be the show instead of the wrestlers, but damn.

This sport really needs to get its sh&t together. For refs that seem to care so much about passivity calls, and then let's can after can of cold spray give time outs to spent wrestlers is becoming quite the joke. Either get your a&& back to center, or you're losing a point. And honestly, as far as I'm concerned, the criteria needs to be gone. That simply adds to more stalling. Win it on the scoreboard.

Dude. No.

Just no. I’m good with adding time for injury. But criteria is a WAY better product than not-wrestling at the end of matches.

 

[donboy6499]

Dude. No.

Just no. I’m good with adding time for injury. But criteria is a WAY better product than not-wrestling at the end of matches.

I like criteria, I just find it kind of confusing.

For example I thought that criteria was essentially (with a few exceptions):
Any 4
Last score

Then you get into penalty points C+1, etc. that could be exceptions.

Then the Duke match yesterday and I’m back to square one.

 

[SlipperyPete12]

92kg 1/4 Final - Connor Robert Mirasola VS Oleh Kuzmenko Taison (UKR)

P1:
Here we go!
Taison working an under hook & pushes Connor out, 1-0 Taison
Tying up, Taison coming forward a big, reaches for a low single, but then backs out. Connor warned for hard snaps or something.
Connor passivity warning, 5:04 left, back to the tie up, Taison gets double unders, tries to jack Connor up, but he fights out of it & they're back to center.
Connor quickly drops down to a leg & works around for the TD, 2-1, restart
Tying up & hand fighting, Taison shoots, Connor counters & gets another TD, 4-1, restart, 3:37 left
Tying up & circling, Connor working the head, Taison shoots, Connor counters, Taison re-counters & they go out of bounds with Taison getting 2, 4-3 & that's how it ends
4-3 Connor

P2:
Back to the tie up, Connor reaches for a leg, keeps driving & gets another TD, 6-3, looking for a turn & gets close, but no points, restart, 2:23 left
Tying up, forehead to forehead, then they break
Connor clubbing, Taison drops in on a shot, Connor sprawls & they're back on their feet circling in the center, 1:30 left
Tying up, Connor shoots, misses & appears to get kicked in the face during the exchange & there's a brief stoppage.
Back to action, Taison driving forward, Connor drops down to a leg & takes Taison out of bounds, 7-3, restart, 57-sec left.
Taison reaching off the whistle, Connor counters for another TD, 9-3, restart, 48-sec left
Circling, Taison coming forward, Connor backing & circling, shoots a double, but wasn't committed & it's a stalemater. Taison slow to get back now, but bulls forward off the whistle & takes Connor out, 9-4
And that's how it ends

Connor Mirasola DEC Oleh Kuzmenko Taison 9-4

Connor moves on to the semifinals.

 

[SlipperyPete12]

125kg 1/4 Finals - Benjamin Allen Kueter VS Stsiapan Mandryk (AIN)

P1:
Kueter shoots in quickly off the whistle & gets a TD, 2-0, has the arm barred & rolls Mandryk over for 2 more & then the pin. Wow. That's faster than Barr's 42 second pin.

Ben Kueter FALL Stsiapan Mandryk (29-sec)

Kueter moves on to the Semis. Like yesterday, all five wrestlers today have moved into the Semis, so all ten team members made the semi-finals.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

I think I have it figured out.

International wrestlers while training...

 

[El-Jefe]

I think I have it figured out.

International wrestlers while training...

Where did you find that pic of Downey without a Natty Boh?

 

[doubleboots]

I think I have it figured out.

International wrestlers while training...

 

[nerfstate]

How long has Jrs/U20s been 6 minutes? It's clearly a huge advantage for our folkstylers.

10 to the semis at worlds is pretty unreal.

 

[dicemen99]

I like criteria, I just find it kind of confusing.

For example I thought that criteria was essentially (with a few exceptions):
Any 4
Last score

Then you get into penalty points C+1, etc. that could be exceptions.

Then the Duke match yesterday and I’m back to square one.

It's pretty easy. First tie-breaker is highest scoring holdS. With a capital S. So:

Most 5s, if that is tied,
Most 4s, if that is tied,
Most 2s.

Duke only has one 2. His opponent had two.

After the holds, it is cautions (least).

And then only if everything else is tied, it is last score.

 

[searay26]

What time will the semi finals start? Does someone have a broadcast schedule?

 

[nerfstate]

What time will the semi finals start? Does someone have a broadcast schedule?

Semis are 10:45 EDT
Medals at Noon.
Flo has a schedule here:

2024 U20 World Championships - Schedule - FloWrestling

See the schedule for the 2024 U20 World Championships event on FloWrestling.org

www.flowrestling.org

 

[dicemen99]

The more I watch international wrestling, the more I realize that a lot of the rest of the world is full of p&sides and whiners. Well, I should probably qualify that - most of the eastern Europeans. Maybe most of the Europeans - East & West.

Pretty sure it's a cultural thing. But they must hate to toe the line against Americans. Even when they are better than us and win. With a few exceptions, we're mostly sending out some tough hombres who are going to fight you tooth and nail, and never quit.

 

[SlipperyPete12]

I like criteria, I just find it kind of confusing.

For example I thought that criteria was essentially (with a few exceptions):
Any 4
Last score

Then you get into penalty points C+1, etc. that could be exceptions.

Then the Duke match yesterday and I’m back to square one.

I don't know if criteria is the issue. The ref didn't manage that match very well. If a wrestler is lying on the mat & refuses to go back to center, then it should be a warning for stalling. If it happens again, then it's a caution +1. The ref can't let a wrestler lay on the mat & refuse to get up without doing anything other than continual prodding.

The ref also should not have allow injury time when it was obvious the wrestler was only fatigued. The injury claim didn't manifest until after the ref had continually prodded him to get back to center, and was clearly an attempt to get more time to rest. The ref should have shut it down there, but instead, just let it go.

Conditioning is part of the sport. There are no time outs for resting. If the ref did the job & didn't allow the wrestler to stall for more time, then I think we'd be talking about PJ's win. His opponent was cooked with a lot of time left on the clock, but the ref allowed him to milk a lot of recovery time & fake injury time, which helped him hold on for the win.

 

[vhsalum]

I don't know if criteria is the issue. The ref didn't manage that match very well. If a wrestler is lying on the mat & refuses to go back to center, then it should be a warning for stalling. If it happens again, then it's a caution +1. The ref can't let a wrestler lay on the mat & refuse to get up without doing anything other than continual prodding.

The ref also should not have allow injury time when it was obvious the wrestler was only fatigued. The injury claim didn't manifest until after the ref had continually prodded him to get back to center, and was clearly an attempt to get more time to rest. The ref should have shut it down there, but instead, just let it go.

Conditioning is part of the sport. There are no time outs for resting. If the ref did the job & didn't allow the wrestler to stall for more time, then I think we'd be talking about PJ's win. His opponent was cooked with a lot of time left on the clock, but the ref allowed him to milk a lot of recovery time & fake injury time, which helped him to hold on for the win.

Correct.

And you saw that with yianni-Musukaev.

Refs just need to have the balls to call it.

 

[SlipperyPete12]

Semifinals
Mat A
match 2- Lockett
match 3- Barr
match 5- Kueter

Mat B
match 1- Blaze
match 4- Mirasola

Medal round
65kg Bronze - Bo Bassett VS N. Geshidze (GEO)
70kg Bronze - PJ Duke VS A. Bolatuly (KAZ)
97kg Bronze - Justin Rademacher VS N. Karavanos (GRE)

57kg Gold - Luke Lilledahl VS L. Pavlov (AIN)
79kg Gold - D Ryder Z. VS A. Begenjov (TKM)

 

[David Keller]

Good morning everyone. It's only supposed to be 108 here today so we are experiencing a cooling trend!

just got up. 109 high today for my section of Los Angeles. Now need to go watch all the matches!

 

[donboy6499]

I don't know if criteria is the issue. The ref didn't manage that match very well. If a wrestler is lying on the mat & refuses to go back to center, then it should be a warning for stalling. If it happens again, then it's a caution +1. The ref can't let a wrestler lay on the mat & refuse to get up without doing anything other than continual prodding.

The ref also should not have allow injury time when it was obvious the wrestler was only fatigued. The injury claim didn't manifest until after the ref had continually prodded him to get back to center, and was clearly an attempt to get more time to rest. The ref should have shut it down there, but instead, just let it go.

Conditioning is part of the sport. There are no time outs for resting. If the ref did the job & didn't allow the wrestler to stall for more time, then I think we'd be talking about PJ's win. His opponent was cooked with a lot of time left on the clock, but the ref allowed him to milk a lot of recovery time & fake injury time, which helped him hold on for the win.

Correct and agree with all of this.

Still, what I’m saying in my post is that I just thought I understood the actual criteria order but I don’t because even with all that happening, had you told me the scoring order/points before the match I’d have thought that the 5-5 criteria went to Duke.

 

[El-Jefe]

I don't know if criteria is the issue. The ref didn't manage that match very well. If a wrestler is lying on the mat & refuses to go back to center, then it should be a warning for stalling. If it happens again, then it's a caution +1. The ref can't let a wrestler lay on the mat & refuse to get up without doing anything other than continual prodding.

The ref also should not have allow injury time when it was obvious the wrestler was only fatigued. The injury claim didn't manifest until after the ref had continually prodded him to get back to center, and was clearly an attempt to get more time to rest. The ref should have shut it down there, but instead, just let it go.

Conditioning is part of the sport. There are no time outs for resting. If the ref did the job & didn't allow the wrestler to stall for more time, then I think we'd be talking about PJ's win. His opponent was cooked with a lot of time left on the clock, but the ref allowed him to milk a lot of recovery time & fake injury time, which helped him hold on for the win.

It's a shame we're at the point where this idea makes sense and maybe is needed. Though we've been at this point for many years. And it's not just a freestyle thing -- the 2015 Gabriel-Hogue PA state final was an atrocious example, also where the ref allowed blatant stalling in returns to center during live action.

 

[El-Jefe]

The more I watch international wrestling, the more I realize that a lot of the rest of the world is full of p&sides and whiners. Well, I should probably qualify that - most of the eastern Europeans. Maybe most of the Europeans - East & West.

Pretty sure it's a cultural thing. But they must hate to toe the line against Americans. Even when they are better than us and win. With a few exceptions, we're mostly sending out some tough hombres who are going to fight you tooth and nail, and never quit.

Given how many of the "western Europeans" have names ending in "v," the broader claim is justified.

Though I had no idea Lincoln and Columbus had Eastern Euros as coaches.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Semifinals
Mat A
match 2- Lockett
match 3- Barr
match 5- Kueter

Mat B
match 1- Blaze
match 4- Mirasola

Medal round
65kg Bronze - Bo Bassett VS N. Geshidze (GEO)
70kg Bronze - PJ Duke VS A. Bolatuly (KAZ)
97kg Bronze - Justin Rademacher VS N. Karavanos (GRE)

57kg Gold - Luke Lilledahl VS L. Pavlov (AIN)
79kg Gold - D Ryder Z. VS A. Begenjov (TKM)

So in this tournament, the semi losers wrestle for bronze? There is no repechage?

 

[nerfstate]

So in this tournament, the semi losers wrestle for bronze? There is no repechage?

Repechage is the losers to each finalist facing each other in turn, so the loser of the semi is the bronze match for that half of the bracket. Two bronzes are awarded at each weight. That’s how UWW and the Olympics do it.

 

[LorenzoFan]

So in this tournament, the semi losers wrestle for bronze? There is no repechage?

Putting a question mark at the end of a statement, does not make the statement a question.

In reply, there is repechage

 

[Pennstate1985]

Putting a question mark at the end of a statement, does not make the statement a question.

In reply, there is repechage

It was a question, thus the question mark.

 

[hlstone]

92kg 1/4 Final - Connor Robert Mirasola VS Oleh Kuzmenko Taison (UKR)

P1:
Here we go!
Taison working an under hook & pushes Connor out, 1-0 Taison
Tying up, Taison coming forward a big, reaches for a low single, but then backs out. Connor warned for hard snaps or something.
Connor passivity warning, 5:04 left, back to the tie up, Taison gets double unders, tries to jack Connor up, but he fights out of it & they're back to center.
Connor quickly drops down to a leg & works around for the TD, 2-1, restart
Tying up & hand fighting, Taison shoots, Connor counters & gets another TD, 4-1, restart, 3:37 left
Tying up & circling, Connor working the head, Taison shoots, Connor counters, Taison re-counters & they go out of bounds with Taison getting 2, 4-3 & that's how it ends
4-3 Connor

P2:
Back to the tie up, Connor reaches for a leg, keeps driving & gets another TD, 6-3, looking for a turn & gets close, but no points, restart, 2:23 left
Tying up, forehead to forehead, then they break
Connor clubbing, Taison drops in on a shot, Connor sprawls & they're back on their feet circling in the center, 1:30 left
Tying up, Connor shoots, misses & appears to get kicked in the face during the exchange & there's a brief stoppage.
Back to action, Taison driving forward, Connor drops down to a leg & takes Taison out of bounds, 7-3, restart, 57-sec left.
Taison reaching off the whistle, Connor counters for another TD, 9-3, restart, 48-sec left
Circling, Taison coming forward, Connor backing & circling, shoots a double, but wasn't committed & it's a stalemater. Taison slow to get back now, but bulls forward off the whistle & takes Connor out, 9-4
And that's how it ends

Connor Mirasola DEC Oleh Kuzmenko Taison 9-4

Connor moves on to the semifinals.

I'm stealing Stalemater. Greatest typo of all time!

 

[zzs006]

What a round once again! I went to bed early and set my alarm for 1:00. Not sure if it didn’t go off or I just turned it off but I missed the entire round 😡

I think we have a good shot to push most of our guys through to the finals. The one I’m most concerned about actually is Blaze. Ono has looked incredible. He teched Midlovets in under 2 minutes and Ozbek in about a minute.

 

[nerfstate]

What a round once again! I went to bed early and set my alarm for 1:00. Not sure if it didn’t go off or I just turned it off but I missed the entire round 😡

I think we have a good shot to push most of our guys through to the finals. The one I’m most concerned about actually is Blaze. Ono has looked incredible. He teched Midlovets in under 2 minutes and Ozbek in about a minute.

Ono looked very, very good. It's kinda funny that Duke and Blaze may be our best 2 p4p, but may not make the finals. Such is the state of the sport in the world.

 

[wrestlingfan22]

Ono is unreal my god

 

[SlipperyPete12]

61kg Semi - Marcus Blaze VS Masanosuke Ono (JPN)

P1:
I got here late, so am catching up now.
Ono drives forward & they go out of bounds, but no scoring. restart
Ono in on a leg & something happened, restart, no scoring
Ono driving forward takes Blaze out of bounds again & now it's 3-0. Ono may have gotten points on the previous exchange.
Restart, 4:50 left
Ono driving forward again, Blaze circles back to center
Blaze 2nd passivity warning, goes on the clock, 4-min left,
Ono drives forward & gets a TD, 5-0, then adds a shot clock point, 6-0
Back to center, 30-sec left, hand fighting & tying up. Ono appears quite strong. That's it for the period.

P2:
Tying up & Ono driving forward to start the 2nd. Blaze circles back to center. Blaze snapping, but Ono is quite solid on his feet. These little Japanese guys are tenacious. Blaze reaches for a shot, nothing, tries to snap, but Ono hand fighting hard. Ono drops in on a leg, gets it & takes Blaze out of bounds, 7-0, restart, 1:45 left
Tying up & hand fighting & circling, 1-min left
Blaze tries a throw by, nothing, snaps, reaches for a leg & they're back to center, 30-sec left.
Blaze looking for an opening, but Ono has rock solid defense. And that's how it ends.

Masanosuke Ono DEC Marcus Blaze 7-0

 

[wrestlingfan22]

also Ono is so much bigger than Blaze. His legs look like tree trunks compared to Blaze’s twigs

 

[pawrestlersintn]

also Ono is so much bigger than Blaze. His legs look like tree trunks compared to Blaze’s twigs

Tree trunks that were planted on the mat for the first five minutes of the match. Blaze didn't start moving him until there was a minute left. And, that's not a stalling complaint. That kid is just solid as a rock.